14:00:07 <rosmaita> #startmeeting cinder
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14:00:24 <rosmaita> #topic roll call
14:00:26 <whoami-rajat> Hi
14:00:33 <rajinir> hi
14:00:49 <tosky> hi
14:00:52 <lseki> hi
14:01:06 <LiangFang> hi
14:01:10 <e0ne> hi
14:01:13 <jungleboyj> o/
14:01:16 <eharney> hi
14:01:18 <jungleboyj> (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
14:01:44 <rosmaita> Hello everyone! good turnout
14:01:45 <rosmaita> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-victoria-meetings
14:02:23 <smcginnis> o/
14:02:34 * lseki why is jungleboyj so mad?
14:02:39 <rosmaita> i just got back from the eye doctor, had my eyes dilated, and between the LEDs in my keyboard and the computer screen, i am practically blinded by all the light
14:02:47 <smcginnis> He has anger issues. :D
14:02:49 <rosmaita> so my typing will be slower than usual
14:02:58 <rosmaita> but luckily it's a light agenda
14:03:09 <smcginnis> Har har
14:03:10 <jungleboyj> ¯\(◉‿◉)/¯
14:03:11 <rosmaita> #topic updates - PTG summary available
14:03:24 <rosmaita> jungleboyj: thanks, i needed that
14:03:48 <jungleboyj> You are welcome.  Any time.
14:03:52 <rosmaita> well, i had it open somewhere
14:03:57 <rosmaita> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderVictoriaPTGSummary
14:04:16 <rosmaita> ok, so for anyone who missed the excitement last week, there are recordings you can watch!
14:04:25 <rosmaita> also brief summaries
14:04:46 <rosmaita> anyone who led a session, please read & clarify my description of what i thought we discussed
14:05:07 <whoami-rajat> my topics are well covered rosmaita++
14:05:17 <rosmaita> great, ty
14:05:26 <rosmaita> #topic updates -victoria schedule
14:05:35 <rosmaita> the cinder specific events have merged
14:05:46 <rosmaita> #link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html
14:05:54 <rosmaita> all driver maintainers
14:06:04 <rosmaita> there's a new event for you this cycle
14:06:26 <enriquetaso> o/
14:06:32 <rosmaita> #link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html#v-cinder-driver-features-declaration
14:06:44 <rosmaita> make sure you read that and let me know if you have any questions
14:06:55 <rosmaita> #topic updates - checkpoints
14:07:04 <rosmaita> this cycle is moving along quickly!
14:07:13 <smcginnis> It's a shorter one.
14:07:19 <rosmaita> this week is R-18, so 18 weeks away from release
14:07:28 <rosmaita> milestone 1 is at R-17
14:07:37 <rosmaita> that is, next week!
14:07:43 <jungleboyj> Yeah,  September will be here before we know it.
14:08:08 <rosmaita> anyway, at the virtual PTG, people expressed interest in doing 2 midcycles like we did last cycle
14:08:42 <rosmaita> so I'm proposing R-8, which is the week of the new feature status checkpoint for part 2
14:08:58 <rosmaita> so it makes sense to have part 1 at R-16
14:09:07 <rosmaita> which is really soon!
14:09:17 <rosmaita> but the spec freeze is R-15
14:09:41 <rosmaita> so i think it would be good to have a virtual meeting the week before in case people have questions about their specs
14:09:50 <whoami-rajat> R-16 is next to next week?
14:09:55 <rosmaita> yep
14:10:11 <rosmaita> it will be nice to see all your smiling faces so soon again
14:10:18 <rosmaita> :)
14:11:08 <rosmaita> anyway, my main question about this is: is anyone aware of major conflicts with either R-16 (June 22-26) or R-8 (August 17-21)
14:12:06 <jungleboyj> He he.  We won't be at a big conference either of those weeks.
14:12:28 <rosmaita> yeah, i guess no one will be anywhere other than home
14:12:30 <eharney> kubecon europe virtual event aug 17-20
14:12:49 <jungleboyj> Ah, virtual events.  :-)
14:13:04 <rosmaita> i imagine we may have some overlap with kubecon?
14:13:19 <jungleboyj> Quite likely.
14:14:13 <rosmaita> ok,, maybe let's try the week before?  anyone aware of anything happening the week of Aug 10 - Aug 14
14:14:33 <rosmaita> geguileo: btw, victoria cinderlib must be released by ^^
14:16:05 <rosmaita> ok, i will put out a poll for the day/time for midcycle part 1
14:16:29 <rosmaita> in the meantime, people can check their calendars about Aug 10 - Aug 14 for part 2
14:17:13 <rosmaita> #action rosmaita - poll for day/time of midcycle part 1 during R-16 week
14:17:49 <rosmaita> #topic updates - priorities for Milestone-1
14:18:01 <rosmaita> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/victoria
14:18:13 <rosmaita> i'll give you a minute to open that link
14:18:43 <rosmaita> no surprises there except maybe for the fact that it's NEXT WEEK!!!
14:19:02 <rosmaita> so i expect there to be some slippage
14:19:26 <rosmaita> but please prioritize reviews on these items
14:19:52 <rosmaita> also, two of those are unassigned for anyone who wants to pick up a quick deprecation to get out of the way
14:20:17 <rosmaita> the rbd one ... not sure how complex, but the os-reset-status should be pretty straightforward
14:20:36 <rosmaita> if you decide to pick one up, please assign yourself so that we don't duplicate efforts
14:21:59 <enriquetaso> About the NFS encryption patch, reviews needed :P  I think the idea is to merge this first: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732506/
14:22:05 <rosmaita> OK, that is all for updates -- anyone have anything they'd like to announce?
14:22:12 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, i think we should also add geguileo default volume type BP
14:22:33 <rosmaita> not for M-1
14:22:49 <geguileo> the spec now is soooo much simpler  O:-)
14:23:02 <rosmaita> enriquetaso: since that's a glance thing, do not worry about https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732506/
14:23:24 <rosmaita> i dont' want to give cinder people a reason to postpone looking at the cinder part
14:23:39 <rosmaita> i'll make clear at the glance meeting tomorrow that we are going ahead with the cinder side
14:23:51 <rosmaita> and they need to move faster on the glance_store change
14:24:22 <whoami-rajat> makes sense, it's already there for over a week now
14:24:47 <rosmaita> yeah, we had a long discussion about it at some point, can't rememeber whether it was before or during the ptg
14:25:01 <enriquetaso> OK rosmaita, I'll remove the -1 in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/597148/ then
14:25:15 <rosmaita> enriquetaso: please do ... thanks
14:25:48 <enriquetaso> It's ready now :)
14:26:03 <rosmaita> great! everyone, please do enriquetaso a solid and take a look!
14:26:25 <enriquetaso> thanks whoami-rajat and rosmaita for the discussing it w glance team during PTG
14:26:30 <rosmaita> #topic suggestion to hold a monthly virtual videoconf meeting
14:26:37 <whoami-rajat> np
14:26:56 <rosmaita> ok, we don't need to do it this month because we'll be having the virtual midcycle in 2 weeks!
14:27:29 <rosmaita> but there was a suggestion on the PTG etherpad with a bunch of +1s that we hold a monthly virtual meetup
14:27:30 <enriquetaso> videoconf++
14:27:52 <whoami-rajat> +1
14:27:53 <geguileo> videoconf++
14:27:57 <rajinir> +1
14:27:59 <rosmaita> what i want to do today is find out what kind of meeting we want
14:28:01 <jungleboyj> +1
14:28:02 <lseki> +1
14:28:10 <rosmaita> looking like everyone likes this
14:28:13 <rosmaita> but what i mean is
14:28:21 <jungleboyj> virtual happy hour+
14:28:25 <rosmaita> do we want an informal talk about stuff meeting
14:28:31 <rosmaita> or an actual cinder meeting
14:28:35 <rosmaita> i am asking because
14:29:07 <rosmaita> someone from another project mentioned that virtual videoconf meetings can be tough on non-native english speakers
14:29:16 <rosmaita> especially late in the day local time
14:29:25 <jungleboyj> Yeah, we had that discussion in the TC meeting.
14:29:48 <rosmaita> jungleboyj: what was the general feeling?
14:30:12 <jungleboyj> That it was fine to add a video conference meeting but it shouldn't replace the IRC meetings.
14:30:29 <rosmaita> ok, that
14:30:34 <rosmaita> s what i am thinking too
14:30:52 <rosmaita> so one possibility is have 1/2 hour irc and 1/2 hour video once a month
14:31:04 <rosmaita> or have a separate happy-hour kind of meeting once a month
14:31:25 <rosmaita> because we do have the 2 midcycle videoconf for face-to-face kind of design stuff
14:32:13 <rosmaita> any thoughts?
14:32:26 <e0ne> 1/2 hour meeting doesn't sound good to me
14:32:46 <jungleboyj> Yeah, I don't know that that would work very well.
14:33:00 <geguileo> I think we can do a full meeting once a month on video and have the IRC as a supporting tool
14:33:01 <rosmaita> ok, i'm happy to be down voted on that suggestion
14:33:11 <geguileo> so people not confortable talking can just write it on IRC
14:33:33 <eharney> geguileo++
14:33:35 <e0ne> geguileo: +1
14:33:48 <Liang__> yes, I can only know 20% of what is speaking
14:34:15 <rosmaita> ok, so we can commit to being good about typing in IRC as we are having the meeting
14:34:51 <jungleboyj> I am ok with that if others agree.
14:34:52 <LiangFang> geguileo: ++
14:34:54 <rosmaita> i was going to say we could use meetpad, but that apparently roasts the CPUs on some systems
14:35:04 <jungleboyj> Yep.
14:35:47 <rosmaita> i think i'll send a poll out to the ML in case people not here have strong opinions, or in case someone has second thoughts
14:35:52 <jungleboyj> https://gph.is/1vOCl8h
14:35:52 <rosmaita> but i like geguileo's idea
14:36:31 <rosmaita> we can meet in (probably blue jeans) but take notes in IRC as usual
14:36:52 <rosmaita> ok, thanks ... any other comments on this topic?
14:36:56 <jungleboyj> ++
14:37:04 <LiangFang> ++
14:37:26 <eharney> using a video solution that works in most web browsers would be ideal
14:37:36 <rosmaita> #action rosmaita poll about video meeting
14:37:51 <rosmaita> is anyone aware of something like eharney has mentioned?
14:38:20 <rosmaita> i imagine google meeting or hangout or whatever they call it these days is inaccessible in some countries
14:38:35 <rosmaita> and meetpad in firefox is apparently a disaster
14:39:01 <LiangFang> nova use zoom in ptg
14:39:18 <rosmaita> can you use zoom without downloading anything?
14:39:24 <eharney> i think zoom doesn't work in firefox iirc
14:39:31 <smcginnis> There is a web client.
14:39:41 <rosmaita> the zoom app i downloaded was a big problem for me -- whenever someone shared their screen my system locked up
14:39:43 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, is the meetpad problem only in firefox? we can use chromium if it's browser specific
14:39:53 <jungleboyj> Oh no.
14:40:02 <smcginnis> Jitsi is supposed to be much better on chromium.
14:40:07 <LiangFang> when open the url, seems it will automatically install a plugin
14:40:27 <smcginnis> LiangFang: Which one? Zoom?
14:40:40 <jungleboyj> Google meet is now free but I am guessing that it doesn't work in China.
14:40:43 <LiangFang> yes, seems like that
14:41:04 <smcginnis> If you cancel the prompt something like 3-4 times, then it's smart enough to fall back to a webrtc client. But it's not intuitive. I don't think they really advertise that.
14:41:21 <rosmaita> LiangFang: did you have any success with jitsi/meetpad
14:41:56 <rosmaita> smcginnis: like an idiot, i assumed that installing the app would give me a better overall zoom experience
14:42:13 <rosmaita> i was sadly mistaken on Fedora 32, anyway
14:42:14 <smcginnis> rosmaita: I would have assumed the same.
14:42:22 <LiangFang> rosmaita: not tried yet, we use lync inside and zoom outside normally
14:42:32 <smcginnis> It has worked well for me on Fedora 31. Just upgraded to 32, so not much experience there yet.
14:42:44 <rosmaita> watch out!
14:43:05 <rosmaita> i am on a lenovo P50
14:43:05 <tosky> it worked for me on F32 (but on Xorg, I haven't tried Wayland)
14:43:43 <rosmaita> ok, well if i am the only zoom casualty, i can try smcginnis's suggestion
14:44:04 <rosmaita> would be helpful actually because everyone seems to want to zoom these days
14:44:55 <rosmaita> just want to verify -- am i the only anti-zoom person?
14:45:16 <smcginnis> I would prefer meetpad if it's an option, but I'm on zoom calls all day anyway, so either works for me.
14:45:32 <smcginnis> Bluejeans seemed to work well too.
14:46:14 <jungleboyj> I am ok with any of them.
14:46:15 <rosmaita> ok, i will include a question ranking zoom, meetpad, and bluejeans on the virtual meeting once a month poll
14:46:52 <rosmaita> #action rosmaita virtual meeting poll - format proposed by geguileo, technology question
14:47:02 <rosmaita> ok, thanks for that discussion
14:47:08 <rosmaita> #topic open discussion
14:47:36 <rosmaita> oh yeah, i forgot to mention
14:47:48 <rosmaita> there are some ACTIONs on the PTG summary
14:47:56 <rosmaita> make sure you look to see if you have one
14:48:13 <rosmaita> what reminded me is that I personally have a lot, and i need to get working!
14:48:35 <rosmaita> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderVictoriaPTGSummary
14:49:18 <whoami-rajat> would like to get review on this https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732525/ . the previous patch doesn't work (sorry about that). this i've verified and works.
14:49:36 <jungleboyj> rosmaita: Good summary.  Thanks!
14:50:26 <rosmaita> whoami-rajat: do you have a test to catch the not-working?
14:51:22 <whoami-rajat> rosmaita, don't think so, i think i can update the patch with a test
14:51:26 <whoami-rajat> would be better
14:51:38 <rosmaita> whoami-rajat: that would be great, would set a good example :D
14:52:01 <rosmaita> also, since i approved the broken patch, i would like to see what i missed!
14:52:22 <whoami-rajat> yeah, it's a stupid mistake
14:52:33 <whoami-rajat> and also i missed there can be multiple attachments
14:52:59 <rosmaita> yeah, i should have realized that too
14:54:12 <tosky> rosmaita: I have a tiny patch mostly for you, in order to watch devstack-plugin-{ceph,nfs} changes here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/734792/ (not sure they require the PTL approval, but still)
14:54:34 <rosmaita> tosky: i am flattered!
14:54:55 <rosmaita> nice
14:55:16 <rosmaita> i will have one for you, hopefully later today -- want to set up a "tips" job, cinder against os-brick master
14:55:56 <smcginnis> rosmaita: I think we cover that the other way around. An os-brick job that runs against cinder.
14:56:27 <rosmaita> smcginnis: you are probably right
14:57:37 <rosmaita> yeah, that makes sense .. key thing is to catch a brick change that breaks cinder before we cut a brick release
14:58:19 <rosmaita> two minutes ... anything else?
14:59:50 <LiangFang> hope can take a look of https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663549/
15:00:06 <rosmaita> ok, thanks everyone!
15:00:09 <rosmaita> #endmeeting