16:00:12 <smcginnis> #startmeeting cinder
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16:00:17 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'cinder'
16:00:19 <smcginnis> #topic roll call
16:00:25 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-queens-meeting-agendas
16:01:01 <swampboys> o/
16:01:16 <erlon_> hey
16:01:31 <smcginnis> ping DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_
16:01:42 <e0ne> hi
16:01:46 <walshh> Hi
16:01:56 <geguileo> hi! o/
16:02:23 <smcginnis> #topic Announcements
16:02:36 <smcginnis> #info No meeting Wednesday 7/4 due to US Independence Day.
16:02:53 <smcginnis> jungleboyj let me know he plans on cancelling the meeting for the US holiday week.
16:03:08 <smcginnis> Many US-based folks are on vacation around that time, so probably good.
16:03:22 <geguileo> sounds like a good idea
16:03:28 <gouthamr> o/
16:03:33 <smcginnis> We can always discuss anything important that comes up in the cinder channel, but hopefully it is a quiet week.
16:03:57 <smcginnis> That's all I really had for announcements. Anyone know if I'm missing anything important to share?
16:04:17 <smcginnis> #topic Rocky Priorities Review
16:04:24 <erlon_> what happened with the agenda? I had something there, not finding it now
16:04:27 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking
16:04:38 <smcginnis> erlon_: I still see one with your name on it.
16:05:05 <erlon_> smcginnis, ok, might be missing something here
16:05:18 <smcginnis> erlon_: Feel free to add something if it's missing.
16:05:25 <erlon_> sure
16:05:42 <smcginnis> In addition to the cycle priorities linked above, there's also the bugsmash event happening in Beijing.
16:05:45 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenSource-Hackathon-Rocky-Beijing-Bugs-List
16:05:55 <smcginnis> Participants are putting links to their reviews there.
16:06:23 <smcginnis> If we can help review those and make that event productive, I'm sure it would be appreciated and would help us knock out a few bugs.
16:06:45 <smcginnis> #topic Check-in on HA development progress
16:06:51 * smcginnis shines spotlight on geguileo
16:06:54 <smcginnis> :)
16:06:57 <rajinir> o/
16:07:03 <geguileo> crickets, crickets...
16:07:04 <smcginnis> Any updates on that topic geguileo?
16:07:08 <smcginnis> Hah!
16:07:19 <geguileo> no, sorry
16:07:26 <geguileo> will try to finish the document this week
16:07:35 <smcginnis> I forget, are there any patches up related to that?
16:07:49 <geguileo> there's one that's being reviewed
16:08:02 <geguileo> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571242/
16:08:02 <patchbot> patch 571242 - cinder - WIP: Write high availability devref
16:08:14 <smcginnis> OK, perfect.
16:08:27 <smcginnis> Feel free to review and give feedback even though it's still WIP ^^
16:08:46 <geguileo> will try to give it another push to move it out of WIP
16:08:59 <smcginnis> geguileo: Great, thanks for your work on that.
16:09:32 <smcginnis> #topic Allowing drivers to save metadata from driver side
16:09:45 <smcginnis> erlon_, walshh: This is yours I believe.
16:09:50 <walshh> Yes
16:09:58 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557448/
16:09:59 <patchbot> patch 557448 - cinder - VMAX driver - Add VMAX specific metadata to volume
16:10:04 <smcginnis> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567473
16:10:05 <patchbot> patch 567473 - cinder - Cloning image fails results duplicate cache entry (MERGED)
16:10:07 <erlon_> yep, walshh wanna drive it?
16:10:16 <walshh> There is no way to update model for extend, attach and detach
16:10:33 <walshh> there is no model_update returned from those operations
16:10:40 <smcginnis> I could maybe see extend, but what is needed for attach/detach?
16:10:55 <walshh> vmax metadate
16:10:59 <walshh> metadata*
16:11:09 <walshh> storage groups, masking views etc
16:11:27 <erlon_> walshh, so you would need updates on all volume operations
16:11:33 <geguileo> isn't that something that can be queried when needed?
16:11:37 <smcginnis> That doesn't really seem like stuff that should be kept in the cinder database.
16:11:50 <geguileo> smcginnis: +1
16:11:50 <walshh> its not a case of having to
16:12:00 <walshh> but it would be great if we could
16:12:10 <erlon_> walshh, I really want convinced that we should pput that in the database
16:12:35 <geguileo> walshh: is that to avoid a couple of extra calls on other driver operations?
16:12:42 <walshh> it was an initiative led by QE
16:12:42 <erlon_> walshh, most of it or all are only debug information right?
16:12:49 <smcginnis> If there's a good reason to be able to, we can probably add model updates for those. But it doesn't seem like it should be necessary.
16:12:54 <walshh> they found it difficult tracing the path of the volume
16:12:55 <erlon_> walshh, QE?
16:13:04 <walshh> our test group
16:13:30 <geguileo> walshh: but that should traced using the req ids, right?
16:13:37 <erlon_> walshh, may be printing more debug message on the driver side?
16:14:05 <walshh> this feature would make it easier for them
16:14:12 <walshh> one stop shop so to speak
16:14:31 <walshh> it would be great if we could persist it but I guess we could just log it also
16:15:07 <erlon_> walshh, yeap, given the changes that would require from Cinder side, it would be the way Id recommend to go
16:15:40 <smcginnis> If it's for the test group, maybe they can apply a local patch to enable things for their testing needs.
16:15:47 <smcginnis> Otherwise, I don't think Cinder is the place for that.
16:16:12 <geguileo> smcginnis: +1
16:16:29 <geguileo> walshh: I think Sean's idea could be easily implemented
16:16:35 <geguileo> as a "debug" driver kind of thing
16:16:56 <walshh> if we cant do a direct update then I concede, I dont expect an interface change
16:17:28 <geguileo> walshh: you "can" do a direct change, though we shouldn't allow it  ;-)
16:17:47 <smcginnis> :)
16:17:48 <walshh> yes, it works quite well :-)
16:18:12 <smcginnis> walshh: Is it OK if I move on then?
16:18:33 <walshh> I will just log the information instead
16:18:56 <smcginnis> Thanks, that would be the preference for this type of thing.
16:19:12 <walshh> sure....thanks for your time on this
16:19:17 <smcginnis> walshh: If they are interested in a debug/test patch, feel free to ask in the channel if any questions come up.
16:19:20 <smcginnis> walshh: Thanks!
16:19:27 <smcginnis> #topic Storyboard Update
16:19:44 <smcginnis> So background for anyone that missed prior discussions...
16:20:00 <smcginnis> There's more talk of moving off of launchpad to StoryBoard.
16:20:22 <smcginnis> It being something we kind of control and have the ability to customize and link in with a common auth provider.
16:20:32 <smcginnis> And hopefully a little easier to interact with.
16:20:45 <smcginnis> A test migration has been done:
16:20:48 <smcginnis> #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/project_group/55
16:21:09 <smcginnis> Please poke around and see how things work if you have not interacted with SB yet.
16:21:19 <smcginnis> Jay plans on trying a few things out and documenting usage.
16:21:37 <smcginnis> There are things like being able to create Trello/Kanban style boards to track work.
16:21:59 <smcginnis> That looks interesting, but I think at least at first it will take some fiddling to get things set up how we might want it.
16:22:46 <e0ne> smcginnis: +1
16:23:02 <smcginnis> It definitely has a bit of a learning curve, but I've heard once you start to understand the model it's kind of nice.
16:23:50 <smcginnis> There are also definitely some bugs with SB yet, so if you see anything wrong, please do file bugs against any issues for openstack/storyboard in https://storyboard.openstack.org/
16:24:39 <smcginnis> Not too much to say about it other than that at this point.
16:24:59 <smcginnis> Hopefully jungleboyj will have some things documented with it and we can get more details in the near future.
16:26:08 <smcginnis> If anyone does have questions about its usage, I think you can probably ask in #openstack-dev or #openstack-infra to get some help for now.
16:26:16 <smcginnis> And I think there is some online documentation.
16:27:02 <smcginnis> #topic Open Discussion
16:27:10 <smcginnis> Anything else to talk about today?
16:27:56 <geguileo> crickets, crickets...
16:28:00 <smcginnis> :)
16:28:06 <smcginnis> OK, we can wrap up early then.
16:28:10 <smcginnis> Thanks everyone!
16:28:16 <geguileo> smcginnis: thanks for leading the meeting today   :-)
16:28:25 <gman-tx> +1
16:28:36 <smcginnis> I think you're stuck with me for one or two more, then Jay should be back. :D
16:28:49 <smcginnis> #endmeeting