20:00:02 #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg 20:00:03 Meeting started Wed Jul 6 20:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krot_vaca_jul19. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00:08 The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' 20:00:15 Hello everyone, who made it? 20:00:21 hi :) 20:00:23 Hi there! 20:00:34 Woo, peoples! 20:00:39 o/ 20:00:44 Many greetings from... uh... "Sunny" scotland. 20:00:57 (For very, very broad definitions of "Sunny") 20:01:08 Agenda: 20:01:10 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_July_6_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup 20:01:29 #topic Logistics 20:01:36 HI 20:01:41 Looks like we're successfully holding this meeting, so item one is done. 20:01:55 o/ 20:02:01 Does anyone konw if notmars is planning on joining us? 20:02:29 o/ 20:02:35 o/ 20:02:36 not sure 20:03:03 Alright, we'll ask him later. 20:03:44 It looks like the "What is an app" discussion has died down, does anyone have any last words they'd like to get in before Patifa summarizes everything and comes up with a final draft? 20:04:37 flanders last email kinda summarizes the conversation. right? 20:04:43 It really does 20:06:04 lets just give it another week to see if anyone adds to it. 20:06:29 Patifa: Works for me. Frankly, I'd be happy to stick with flanders' summary. 20:06:41 Me too.. ;) 20:07:01 where will be it published? in our wiki? 20:07:08 What is an app - discussion 20:07:21 However, I'm not really ok pushing this out another week. The topic needs to be settled so we don't get distracted. 20:08:22 However, we haven't really clearly communicated what the deadlines are on that topic. So how about someone (volunteer?) sends out an email saying: "We're closing this discussion in a week, drafting a final, and submitting that for approval". 20:08:51 o/ 20:08:54 mbonell: YEs, I expect it'll be on the wiki. 20:09:05 ok 20:09:18 We have a volunteer! Any major disagreements on this before we move on? 20:09:50 #action Patifa Send out email clearly communicating deadline and closure of "What is an app" discussion, and followup process for approval. 20:10:34 Ok, moving on. 20:10:46 #topic FirstApp: jclouds 20:10:48 Deadlin monday? Before the meeting/ 20:10:50 ? 20:11:16 I don't have an update on jclouds or .NET 20:11:21 Patifa: I think so- use the meeting to introduce it to the group, then send us with homework to review it. 20:11:36 craigs: Got it. Martin's going to be joining the converstaion next week, yes? 20:11:45 I did hear on php-opencloud and Jamie says he cannot support it 20:11:54 Yes Martin said that he would start attending 20:12:08 craigs: That's good to hear. 20:12:12 (On php 20:13:05 Alright, let's see if we can get an update from him next week. 20:13:16 #topic FirstApp: Shade 20:13:36 mbonell: Looks like you're working on the scaling-out portion now? 20:13:46 yep, scaling out section is WIP 20:14:17 my goal is to complete shade by the end of july 20:14:23 WOOHOO! 20:14:26 * krot_vaca_jul19 does a little dance 20:14:30 and then it will be ready for the go 20:14:35 no more drafts :p 20:14:48 :D 20:14:53 Excellent. 20:14:53 mbonell: that's great! 20:14:55 what is left to be done for shade? 20:15:06 calebb: just validation, testing 20:15:15 minior bugs 20:16:01 ahhh, ok, I saw you had a issue on shade's storyboard about the object metadata thing, that's fixed on master, but hasnt been in a shade release yet 20:16:07 some TODOs 20:16:22 yes, I was me :) 20:16:57 Sounds like you two have it well in hand. 20:17:04 ;) 20:17:13 ANything else before we move on? 20:17:14 \o/ 20:17:22 nop, let's move on 20:17:23 #topic FirstApp: Fog 20:17:27 Sean? You here? 20:18:06 * krot_vaca_jul19 is guessing not. 20:18:27 Does anyone have an update form Sean? 20:18:36 nop 20:18:52 nope 20:19:07 Ok. 20:19:24 #topic FirstApp: JavaScript 20:19:39 No update from me, mostly because I've been on vacation and wasn't able to attend the meeting this morning. 20:19:47 There's patches landing, I just have no idea what they are :) 20:20:33 Any questions? 20:21:01 Ok, moving on. 20:21:16 #topic FirstApp: PHP 20:21:40 Jamie has said that he can't support it. Does anyone else have th etime to do this? 20:22:24 * krot_vaca_jul19 listens to crickets. 20:22:29 hahaha 20:22:35 Ok, this brings up an interesting question. 20:22:54 At what point do we abandon something, and what does abandoning an effort look like? 20:23:18 that is an interesting question. 20:23:37 Yeah don't know how 20:24:02 In this case I would say it's pretty clear there's little to no interest in continuing, but the effort would be "on hold" until a PHP developer steps forward to help 20:24:16 Just update the spreadsheet as on hold 20:24:22 On hold? Or shall we remove it entirely? 20:25:40 is there a draft of the document in play anywhere? 20:26:11 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224987/ 20:26:18 I think I'd put in "needs a volunteer" rather than on hold 20:26:38 rockyg: that's better :) 20:27:28 paused - need a volunteer 20:27:37 yes 20:27:43 https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1449332 20:27:43 Launchpad bug 1449332 in openstack-manuals "FirstApp: Add php-opencloud support" [Medium,Confirmed] 20:27:44 because all the other need volunteers.. 20:28:20 even the ones that are not on hold 20:28:33 Righto, that works for me. 20:28:45 Everyone ok with "Paused - need a volunteer"? 20:28:53 +2 20:29:11 ++ 20:29:13 maybe the foundation can sponsor an "doc bounty" and we offer some lovely gift to encourage more volunteers? 20:29:25 I like bounties :) 20:29:25 both links are in the spreadsheet? 20:29:58 I don't see the bug link in the spreadsheet 20:30:03 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Zj2JU0jR4hy8y1HxFl30gTEGeqgBjc6hqv0ZAByVYo/edit#gid=0 20:30:28 yep should add it 20:30:29 Now it is. 20:30:39 Ok, moving on 20:30:44 #topic FirstApp: IOpenStack 20:30:49 notmars is not here! 20:31:27 Moving on. 20:31:39 #topic App Hackathon 20:32:31 o/ 20:32:51 We have addressed the training schedule for October 20:33:05 Aug 20:33:12 Woot! 20:33:27 :P thinking ahead in the summit ... 20:33:27 Aug* 20:33:51 there are pending items to define with the foundation to have budget support for couple of the trainers... 20:34:09 Open: I need to consult @notmars about the cloud for the event 20:34:53 at this time We have not received confirmation from OSIC if they will sponsor the cloud... 20:35:03 so I am now chcking public cloud options... 20:35:11 We may need to pay for that :( 20:35:41 vhdiaz: Is there no free-developer-instances program out there we can piggyback on? 20:36:12 I don't think a free instance can support the main event 20:36:19 vhdiaz: Alternatively, http://trystack.org/ 20:36:20 We are looking for free instances for the training... 20:36:36 trystack is very limited in what it will give you for resources 20:36:47 trystack? 20:36:47 that is my point.. 20:36:52 trystack is not an option 20:37:12 We will have 200 participants... my assumption is that We need a more robust solution 20:37:31 we should try for att. They claim they have a solution;-) 20:38:11 This seems like a pretty big problem that needs to be addressed quickly. 20:38:55 I know I cannot rely on HPE for resources at this time, because politics. 20:38:56 yeah, but it would be great press for any Public Cloud Provider to host it.... 20:39:13 rockyg: Does huawei have anything they can offer? 20:39:16 It will be a very public event 20:39:29 Our cloud is in China :( 20:39:36 vhdiaz, the question is 'how much public will it be'? 20:39:40 I'll check around, though. 20:39:46 rockyg: No cloud in that new research office in Belleveu? 20:39:50 *bellevue 20:40:03 This falls into the 'in kind cloud sponsorship" to public cloud providers... who can bring many more of their customer clients... to these public clouds 20:40:17 Not yet. Well, so far as I know. I haven't even gotten 5 machines for a cloud here in Santa Clara R&D 20:40:34 vhdiaz: You mentioned reaching out to notmars and Internap? 20:40:48 yes 20:40:50 I *will* send an email to those who supposedly can decide, though. 20:40:56 OSIC and Internap 20:41:00 rockyg: Thank you! :D 20:41:03 Location is Guadalajara, right 20:41:08 was ideal, in order to bring 'multi-cloud' experience 20:41:10 ? 20:41:10 This really seems like it's what OSIC was made for. 20:41:13 yes 20:41:18 haha 20:41:39 vhdiaz, what's the communication plan of the event? is there a way it can be made quite international? 20:41:41 I'd ask what the connectivity is like to China, but......ahem 20:41:49 :s 20:42:09 what's OSIC? 20:42:19 the event is going to be in a big university 20:42:25 #link https://osic.org/ 20:42:34 I cannot answer the question.. but We can test ahead 20:42:49 Open Stack Innovation Center 20:43:02 There is actually a publick cloud provider in Queretaro, MX 20:43:44 I thought OSIC was about testing deployments at scale, so users of OSIC just get dedicated metal and have to deploy their own OpenStack cloud on the nodes they get? 20:43:49 reed: Is DreamCompute an option? 20:43:53 that is exactly right, that will be the next step <- contacing local providers... ask them if they want to participate, or pay them.. 20:44:00 docaedo: There's an optino to have them install openstack for you? 20:44:23 15 minute warning 20:44:23 krot_vaca_jul19, I am so swamped right now with things to do that I'm not sure it's worth the investment for me 20:44:29 * reed practice shamless honesty here 20:44:33 reed: Understood. 20:44:35 krot_vaca_jul19: oh nice! I did not know that (though some folks are coming to the OpenStack PDX meetup in a few weeks to tell us EVERYTHING about OSIC) 20:44:48 reed: Is there someone else at DreamHost that we can pester? 20:45:08 docaedo: Soooooo.... what you're saying is that you're oging to talk to OSIC people in PDX in a few weeks on vhdiaz's behalf? :D 20:45:22 reed: (Trying every angle ;) ) 20:45:28 :p 20:45:45 That helps... 20:45:51 Also, Internap might be a good one to hit up..... 20:45:51 hahaha I can send an email even sooner than that 20:45:56 I am speaking to a few folks as well 20:46:06 Internap is key 20:46:17 that is why I need to speak to notmars 20:46:18 Ok then. vhdiaz- you've got plenty of contacts via this group already that you can take advantage of if Internap doesn't work out. 20:46:20 krot_vaca_jul19, I am the best person here, i can make the decision but the problem is that I am going to be also the one that needs to extract value from the effort :) 20:46:36 and if I don't have time to do the latter (get the value) the former makes no sense 20:46:58 so, my AI is to send an email after I get off this meeting. 20:47:24 thanks 20:47:34 rockyg: Thanks! Keep vhdiaz in the loop. 20:47:45 Will do. 20:48:17 Moving on. 20:48:29 #topic Barcelona 20:48:39 expected number of hackers - 200. How many vm's of what size expected? 20:49:00 So, just a quick summary of last week: Flanders wrote up a big proposal to the foundation right before last week's meeting, and we as yet have no update on that. 20:49:17 He's also said that anything on a training track that he organizes is very likely not going ot be bound by the July 15th deadline, so we can relax on that. 20:49:30 I'll keep bringing this topic up in the agenda so we can keep abreast of what's going on. 20:50:09 Any questions before we move on? 20:50:11 10 minute warning 20:50:40 I think we will again need to line up the cloud providers sooner rather than later for that 20:51:22 rockyg: True, but I expect that'll be a bit easier seeing as it's attached to the summit. 20:51:30 Also, we can make flanders do that :) 20:51:41 #topic Hosted IRC: The Lounge 20:51:49 ++ 20:52:00 Hi! 20:52:16 Hi docaedo! 20:52:20 not much progress this last week - the next action is for me to try to write the auth component 20:52:22 * krot_vaca_jul19 provided docaedo with a summary of the auth things that we need to support. 20:52:47 I did dig in some, and saw the auth flow for thelounge based on an LDAP auth piece that's merging soon 20:53:10 it's not super complicated but I've never written anything in JS ;) 20:53:20 on action I have though: 20:53:41 #action Aedo to update "hosted IRC spec" to indicate authentication will be against openstack ID, with that code yet to be written 20:54:05 Excellent, thanks for the update. Any questions? 20:54:14 no, what you shared was useful, thanks 20:54:35 Alright! 20:54:36 #topic Open Discussion 20:54:39 uxdanielle needs note takers! 20:54:52 docaedo, you might check with the refstack folks. They wrote a server that validates with OSID 20:55:01 Might be js 20:55:05 Yes! Interviews are happening (maybe as soon as tomorrow) and I just found out I'm not allowed to record the sessions ;) 20:55:18 ouch! 20:55:26 rockyg: I will, I know some of those fine people as we get our paystubs from the same person ;) 20:55:34 rockyg: thanks for the pointer 20:55:58 qq, are we going to have a BoF session for Barcelona? 20:56:01 np! 20:56:25 We should 20:56:31 mbonell: Let's! Do we need to submit a proposal? 20:56:36 yep 20:56:45 uxdanielle: You can't record them? 20:56:52 nope 20:57:05 Nope, would need consent, and that's complicated :P 20:57:13 Oh. Hrm. 20:57:17 :o 20:57:31 It always gest annoyting when the lawyers get involved. 20:57:31 patifa: for 20:57:33 So anyone is welcome to join and write down what is said/what they think is important. I believe Patricia will collect email addresses and I'll send any interested parties the meeting invite as they are scheduled (5 sessions) 20:57:39 so we need volunteers to take notes on the ehter pad 20:57:52 uxdanielle, Patifa: I am interested, however I am also time constrained. 20:58:17 mbonell: When does that proposal need to be submitted, by July 15th? 20:58:41 volunteers will have the chance to ask questions too, right uxdanielle 20:58:52 That is correct! 20:59:07 and/or add comments to the notes. 20:59:35 Ok, we're out of time. Outstanding discussion needs to go to the list. 20:59:36 all that is required is that who ever listens to the interview helps take notes 20:59:47 Patifa: Definitely send me an invite then. 20:59:50 for BoF, 7/15 But, it doesn 20:59:52 't 20:59:57 (times up) 20:59:59 Thanks everyone! 20:59:59 ok 21:00:03 take much to write up the abstract for a BoF 21:00:04 #endmeeting