22:00:03 #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg 22:00:04 Meeting started Mon Jun 20 22:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:00:07 The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' 22:00:14 Agenda: 22:00:15 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_June_20_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup 22:00:33 Roll call, who's here? 22:01:08 Craig 22:01:24 Hey there, craigs! 22:01:35 Hi 22:01:40 docaedo is probably lurking... 22:01:49 Patricia 22:02:27 Anyone know Sean, Caleb, and/or Marcela's IRC handles? 22:03:15 Alright, let's get started. 22:03:17 #topic Logistics: iCal feed 22:03:38 First thing- when scheduling this meeting, I noticed that the iCal feed on eavesdrop.openstack.org says the IRC meeting is next week, not this one. 22:04:09 Since other teams use this to schedule their own meetings, and it could result in a conflict, we should probably fix this. Does anyone want to volunteer to submit a patch to the meetings project? 22:04:25 hello! 22:04:33 Hi docaedo! 22:04:50 hi docaedo :D 22:04:53 krotscheck: I can do that 22:04:58 Sweet! 22:05:16 krotscheck: good catch, I thought I had it set right w/r/t which weeks, but I'll switch it up 22:05:17 #action docaedo Fix our meeting iCal date. 22:05:41 #topic Firstapp Progress: jclouds 22:05:51 craigs: Anything to report? 22:06:18 The getting started, introduction, scaling out and durability chapters are all covered. I still need to add instructions on how to get going with maven and add the block storage code. 22:06:31 I being Martin Paulo 22:06:41 #topic rollcall 22:06:56 * krotscheck peers at JohnSimpson-Inte 22:07:20 craigs: Got it, does he report his progress through you, or will he be joining these meetings? 22:07:41 I will ask if he can join, he has not attended in general and I am not sure why 22:07:58 craigs: Alright- I'll mark that segment as Craig (obo Martin) for now 22:08:26 craigs: Do you know what is timeline is for getting the project completed? 22:08:33 *his 22:08:56 * krotscheck waves at mbonell :) 22:09:18 No I do not have any date 22:09:55 craigs: Alright, would you mind asking him for that? In the meantime we'll move on. 22:10:04 yep 22:10:11 #topic Firstapp progress: OpenStack.Net 22:10:22 Anyone know if Carolyn has a representative here? 22:10:26 (or if she's around?)_ 22:10:50 She does not attend 22:11:12 Unfortunate. We'll mark that as no progress reported and then move on. 22:11:33 #topic Firstapp progress: shade 22:12:09 mbonell? 22:12:15 mbonell: I saw your updates to the etherpad. Anything in particular you'd like to highlight? 22:12:40 * krotscheck wonders if calebb is listening 22:13:12 marce? 22:13:41 She might be behind a netsplit. 22:14:04 Marcella need some notification activated when her nick is written :) 22:14:22 Marcela ran tests on Caleb's most recent patch (today). She also submitted patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331760/ which coveres the "make it durable" section 22:14:22 (offtopic, but per my earlier action item, feel free to review: https://review.openstack.org/331863) 22:14:54 And, I believe, that completes the shade example. 22:15:00 So \o/ mbonell! 22:15:29 Moving on to fog... 22:15:36 #topic Firstapp progress: fog 22:16:01 Anyone know if Sean's attending? 22:16:08 * krotscheck doesn't know what everyone's IRC handle is yet. 22:17:10 Well, mbonell included an update for him: No news, no progress, but he's working on it. 22:17:11 update was sent today "Wish I had some news but no progress yet. It’s proving to be a hectic month for me!" 22:17:18 from Sean 22:17:20 I don't recal seen Sean in the meeting 22:17:24 Works. 22:17:29 Next 22:17:47 #topic Firstapp status: pkgcloud/openstack-lib 22:17:49 That's mine! 22:18:13 The SDK still doesn't have any code, we're currently in heavy design discussions. 22:18:58 There are some design specs under review here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331801/ and here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331359/, as well as a few others under construction by vkramsikh that will all be discussed wednesday morning. 22:19:36 I'm hoping the first portion of FirstApp will land around august. This is mostly because I'll be on vvacation the first half of July 22:19:43 awesome! 22:20:15 If anyone would like to take on some of the work that we're discussing, that'd be great :D. 22:20:19 And that's it for me. 22:20:34 #topic Firstapp progress: Open Discussion 22:20:52 Are there any firstapp -related things that anyone would like to bring up? 22:21:13 nop 22:21:20 my own pet project is done for the getting started part 22:21:32 (objective-c / ios+watchos+tvos) 22:21:40 notmars: Bruno? 22:21:45 me indeed :) 22:21:48 Ahah! 22:21:54 I was about to bring you up :) 22:22:11 I'm there 22:22:13 :) 22:22:23 notmars: Can you add a section to the agenda regarding the current status then so we can check in with you next week? 22:22:58 of course, working for devstack, Dreamhost, Internap and soon Datacentred (received the credentials today) 22:23:15 As an FYI to everyone else, Bruno's trying to figure out how to build an iOS sdk in a way that satisfies OpenStack's open source testing requirements. 22:23:27 and there s that part :) 22:24:07 notmars: As a suggestion (and hopefully not a derailment), it looks like Swift will run on linux. You may be able to make faster progress reimplementing in that. 22:24:11 which prove to be quite interesting, currently spawning a gcc objective c config file to see how/if I can do it 22:24:26 * krotscheck wishes notmars luck :) 22:24:32 indeed 22:24:40 I'll check it when it's released 22:24:47 and running 22:24:47 Alright, moving on 22:24:50 :) 22:25:01 #topic App Hackathon 22:25:20 we need to invoke Marcella I think 22:25:22 vhdiaz, Patifa: I think you two are the best to give an update on this, yes? 22:25:28 yes 22:25:31 Since mbonell seems to have timed out. 22:26:23 2 things: Past Friday I talked to a ong: CodeandoMexico, these guys have government data samples, they want to participate .. That can connect us to the social elements we want to add to our hackathon 22:27:25 oooh, neat! 22:27:40 the other thing is that we received platinum sponsorship from Intel 22:27:52 \o/ 22:27:58 We are working on the trainings 22:28:21 This would also make for a great pre-training as the Shade SDK will work cross cloud and we could make a requirement be for the grand prize that it works on 2 or more clouds? 22:29:19 and We are still pending to secure more sponsors 22:29:28 vhdiaz: still loving the multi cloud idea :) 22:29:41 vhdiaz: I submitted the sponsorship request last week for HPE, no word yet on when the OSPO is having its next funding meeting. 22:29:59 ;), it will be awesome to have HPE 22:30:14 vhdiaz: Sadly, the do not give me a discretionary budget :D 22:30:15 we sent the prospectus to several telcos.. no answer yet 22:30:28 We need to close on sponsors pretty soon 22:30:30 notmars: ANy chance internap might be interested? 22:30:42 we already said yes :) 22:30:45 Oh good! 22:30:50 we're sending someone do the training there 22:30:52 in person 22:31:12 (pre-training sorry) 22:31:33 vhdiaz: You reached out to mordred directly for funding, yes? 22:31:38 And/or training? 22:32:39 for Training 22:32:52 I understand He said He is willing to come 22:33:00 but I did not ask for funding 22:33:21 vhdiaz: Well, he's at RedHat now, you might be able to convince them :) 22:33:36 Does anyone else have corporate connections that could help fund this? 22:33:53 I talked to Maria from RH 22:33:54 fund what? 22:33:58 * reed scrolls back 22:33:59 Let me go that way 22:34:26 the next hackaton? 22:34:28 reed: The Guadalajara App Hackathon 22:34:35 vhdiaz: Good call 22:35:06 Hey there, reed! Good to see ya! 22:35:31 krotscheck, it's outside of my target, we'll have to pass... if we do one in US/Canada I would sponsor 22:35:39 s/if/when 22:36:06 That's unfortunate, but understandable for Dreamhost 22:36:22 vhdiaz: Anything else on the App hackthon? Your next meeting's wednesday, yes? 22:37:21 nop 22:37:24 thanks 22:37:27 Alright, moving on. 22:37:36 #topic Barcelona! 22:38:12 On our call last week, i recall someone reaching out to flanders to ask what the actual logistics of the event were, plus what the foundation had planned for training. I don't recall who that was, can someoner efresh my memory? 22:38:25 me 22:38:34 wip 22:38:58 no updates, I need to touch base with flanders 22:39:06 vhdiaz: Alrightey. 22:39:44 The conference track nominations are still open. Victor's nominated a few people, but is there anyone here who'd like to be nominated as one of the track chairs? 22:40:34 Categories are available here: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/categories/ 22:40:56 I'll submit a talk, so abstening on the track chairs :) 22:42:08 mbonello's already been nominated as well. Patifa, any desire to help out? 22:42:20 * docaedo nominated himself since he enjoyed the process last summit 22:42:37 let me have a look. 22:42:55 Excellent. Ping me and/or victor offline and we'll send up a nomination if you're interested. 22:43:09 #topic Hosted IRC Gateway (The Lounge) 22:43:15 docaedo: How's that coming? 22:43:23 ok 22:43:26 : 22:43:30 :O 22:43:48 regarding IRC, I brought it up last week during open comments of infra meeting 22:43:55 got a few more people looking at the spec 22:44:27 planning to do the same tomorrow to see if there's a feeling on whether the spec needs much more before I can request a vote 22:45:13 also, I have a version of "The Lounge" running on a VM and will gladly give out accounts to anyone interested. It wouldn't be a permanent offering but I could easily leave it up until there's an "official" one available 22:45:16 docaedo: How's reception been so far? 22:45:47 docaedo: I'd like one if you can 22:45:52 Generally positive, and any resistance usually ends with "oh, yeah, this idea makes sense" 22:46:14 notmars: cool - please email me (doc@aedo.net) and I'll get something back to you in the next day or two :) 22:46:19 (same goes for anyone else) 22:47:00 Alright, so we'll check in again next week to see how things are going. 22:47:08 sounds good 22:47:12 #topic What is an OpenStack App / WG Charter 22:47:30 krotscheck: I think you were going to send me a link to "getting a local version of infra" for puppet manifest testing as well 22:48:10 docaedo: Oh right, i need to write that post. 22:48:18 * krotscheck was just going to link https://krotscheck.net/2016/06/01/how-to-simulate-an-openstack-infra-slave.html, but it's a little specific. 22:48:37 #action krotscheck Write howto simulate infra server for docaedo 22:48:53 krotscheck: thanks! 22:49:31 craigs, docaedo: So on the "What is an app" discussion, have you made any progress on that? 22:50:05 from what I can see the conversation on the mailing list died out pretty quick 22:50:09 We had transferred that to you, you were going to write up a proposal of what App means to this WG 22:50:28 * krotscheck blnks 22:50:36 Instead of trying to get everyone to try and agree on one definition 22:50:42 Right. My bad. Totally fell off my radar. 22:50:47 NP 22:51:07 #action krotscheck Write 'what is an app' synopsis, propose to group. 22:51:38 Alright, that's it for that topic I believe. 22:51:43 * krotscheck feels sheepish 22:51:47 #topic Open Discussion 22:52:00 We have 9 minutes for open discussion, anyone want to bring something up? 22:52:14 for what it's worth, I thought this email asked some really good questions (relevant to what is an app) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-May/000889.html 22:52:18 phpopencloud, are anybody in the team around ? 22:52:41 do we know anybody working on that at Rackspace ? 22:53:23 * rockyg doesn't feel quite so bad now, forgetting to check AIs from IRC meetings 22:54:22 I could ask around 22:54:54 craigs: I'd be interested to chat up with someone 22:55:09 * krotscheck left his PHP roots behind 10 years ago. 22:55:17 * notmars too 22:55:25 We know Jamie is not working on it anymore? 22:55:34 still, I think we shouldn't neglect it :) 22:55:50 craigs: The google doc says it needs a new owner. 22:56:13 which is what I wanted to discuss :) 22:56:39 Does that doc represent the status as of the summit, with "new owner" being post summit?" 22:56:43 i'd want to know if they're gonna support it or not... 22:56:50 I will have to dig through my emails, I assume I had heard from Jamie 22:57:04 craigs: I'll be interested to know 22:58:10 Last commit was 8 days ago, I'm going to assume they're supporting it. 22:58:20 Yep just typing that 22:58:26 jamie may not be focused on the firstapp portion of it. 22:58:51 Also, he's in berlin, and right now is a REALLY inconvenient time for him. 22:58:59 oh 22:59:09 we'll wait then :) 22:59:29 notmars: How about you reach out to him directly and ask? 22:59:38 I did 22:59:42 No answer? 22:59:48 (less than a minute left, about to close shop) 22:59:57 fresh from today 22:59:59 so no 23:00:05 Got it. Let's wait then. 23:00:08 Thanks everyone! 23:00:08 :) 23:00:09 #endmeeting