16:01:11 <elmiko> #startmeeting api wg
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16:01:15 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg'
16:01:33 <cdent> o/
16:01:38 <stevelle> o/
16:02:19 <elmiko> #topic agenda
16:02:26 <elmiko> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda
16:02:34 <elmiko> seems like we might have a light meeting today
16:02:59 <elmiko> #topic previous meeting action items
16:03:09 <elmiko> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-10-08-16.00.html
16:03:21 <elmiko> there was a meeting on the 15th, but no one showed >.<
16:03:52 <elmiko> so, as for action items. i think mine and miguelgrinberg's have been started
16:03:57 * elmiko digs for links
16:04:13 <elmiko> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233729/
16:04:25 <elmiko> that's for the review on adding more APIImpact info to the docs
16:04:45 <elmiko> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Links
16:04:53 <elmiko> and that is my progress so far on the link analysis
16:05:24 <elmiko> as for #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187112
16:05:36 <elmiko> we are still waiting for a response from alex xu
16:06:03 <elmiko> etoews wasn't able to make it today, not sure about his items
16:06:21 <elmiko> and i don't see annegentle
16:06:29 <elmiko> any comments on the action items?
16:07:50 <elmiko> moving on...
16:07:52 <elmiko> #topic summit meetup
16:08:00 <cdent> nngh
16:08:00 <elmiko> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-api-wg-session-plans
16:08:15 <elmiko> cdent has been kinda enough to add a bunch of content to this page
16:09:17 <cdent> mostly random
16:09:30 <elmiko> yea, but i kinda agree with some of the major overtones
16:09:49 <elmiko> and i hope we can discuss the working group's impact on the community at summit
16:10:04 <elmiko> it would be nice to get some ideas about how we can be more effective in the larger openstack community
16:10:59 <cdent> yes
16:11:13 <cdent> I reckon that will be need to be the main topic
16:11:41 <elmiko> probably, and i think we've captured that to some extent in the future plans agenda
16:12:32 <elmiko> #topic guidelines dashboard
16:13:00 <elmiko> i don't think we have any new guidelines that need attention, or are ready for freeze
16:13:20 <elmiko> are there any guidelines that should be highlighted?
16:13:44 <cdent> miguelgrinberg’s actions one is interesting and probably worthy of some more attention from people other than the three of us
16:13:50 <elmiko> +1
16:14:03 <elmiko> i really like what he's done, but i'm an easy sell ;)
16:15:08 <elmiko> i'm not sure the best path forward, like if we start announcing this guideline to get more attention is that part of a freeze or outside of that
16:15:22 <elmiko> kinda confusing, maybe we should just ensure that it is clean then start the freeze process?
16:15:54 <cdent> i reckon during the summit season its not going to get much light
16:16:06 <elmiko> right, this will have to be stuff for after summit
16:17:03 <elmiko> ok, moving along then
16:17:10 <elmiko> #topic APIImpact
16:17:30 <elmiko> any reviews we should look at?
16:18:47 <elmiko> #topic open discussion
16:19:03 <elmiko> anything else, or should we take back 40minutes =)
16:19:12 <cdent> is it just you me and stevelle here today?
16:19:17 <elmiko> i think so
16:19:28 <elmiko> and stevelle has been suspiciously quiet.. ;)
16:19:29 <cdent> you going to tokyo stevelle ?
16:19:32 <stevelle> I am
16:19:39 <elmiko> cool
16:20:01 <stevelle> this meeting is always double booked with another community meeting
16:20:18 <elmiko> no worries, i'm just goofin around =)
16:20:19 <stevelle> that one is being a bit feisty
16:20:49 <elmiko> i think things have slowed down a bunch for the wg recently anyways, probably good fodder for discussion at summit
16:21:23 <elmiko> ok, well if neither of you has any issues to raise, i say let's end early =)
16:21:30 <cdent> +1
16:21:50 <stevelle> we could mention the tags thread on the dev list
16:21:59 <elmiko> oh yea! good point
16:22:04 <stevelle> just for those who might read later
16:22:32 * elmiko digs for link
16:22:45 <elmiko> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077701.html
16:23:11 <elmiko> i just started looking at this earlier, and without much research i don't see they couldn't use PATCH for a partial update
16:23:37 <elmiko> although, i thought there was a section in the guideline for doing a partial update
16:23:58 <cdent> there’s been some fussiness about the bodies of PATCH that we’ll need to resolve at some point
16:24:17 <elmiko> yea, that's true
16:24:51 <elmiko> i think the best guidance we had we to either use json-patch *or* just an update json object, but never both!
16:25:22 <elmiko> s/had we/had was/
16:26:25 <cdent> maybe we should put “how about those partial updates” on the etherpad
16:26:34 <elmiko> yea, was just thinking something similar
16:26:42 <cdent> and then that will give us at least one technical thing to bikeshed over
16:26:48 <cdent> amongst the political things
16:26:50 <stevelle> hmm, good topic
16:27:12 <stevelle> I need to go through the schedule again and make sure I have the WG sessions marked too
16:27:27 <elmiko> k, added to the pad
16:27:50 <elmiko> #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/36e6c27e324044e4b91dd7137b4ef57f
16:30:01 <elmiko> anything else?
16:30:45 <elmiko> ok then, see you in tokyo =)
16:31:07 <elmiko> #endmeeting