16:00:14 <elmiko> #startmeeting api_sig
16:00:14 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Sep 27 16:00:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:00:18 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig'
16:00:19 <cdent> o/
16:00:26 <elmiko> #chair cdent dtantsur edleafe
16:00:27 <edleafe> dammit you're too fast
16:00:27 <openstack> Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko
16:00:32 <dtantsur> o/
16:00:36 <elmiko> i even typed that one without copy paste
16:00:57 <edleafe> I was just about to press Enter when I saw you already started things
16:01:07 <elmiko> haha
16:01:17 <elmiko> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda
16:01:25 <elmiko> #topic previous meeting action items
16:01:32 <elmiko> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/
16:01:39 <elmiko> don't think we had any actions last time
16:01:47 <edleafe> I was supposed to write something
16:01:49 <cdent> action was to shut this down
16:01:56 <edleafe> The "fault tolerance" doc
16:01:57 <elmiko> ahh, thank you edleafe
16:02:06 <edleafe> totally didn't do it :(
16:02:27 <elmiko> happens to the best of us ;)
16:02:27 <edleafe> Well the other unspoken action item was to determine when to hold our office hours
16:02:45 <elmiko> #topic discuss office hours
16:02:56 <elmiko> so, i think it would make sense to keep this time as one of the hours
16:03:37 <edleafe> I could certainly be present for most weeks
16:03:38 <elmiko> any objection to just moving this meeting time over to -sdks?
16:03:54 <edleafe> Well, not a formal meeting time
16:03:57 <elmiko> right
16:04:01 <elmiko> just the time slot
16:04:08 <edleafe> but we'd have the office hours in -sdks, not here
16:04:22 <elmiko> i think so, that way we can free up the meeting channel
16:04:27 <elmiko> although it's probably not needed
16:05:06 <elmiko> i guess we'll need to update the wiki meeting times, is there also a governance doc we need to update?
16:05:16 <edleafe> dtantsur: you are the lone outlier, timezone-wise
16:05:21 <dtantsur> yeah
16:05:23 <edleafe> when would be a good time for you
16:05:24 <edleafe> ?
16:05:30 <dtantsur> this one is fine, but often conflicts with evening meetups.
16:05:41 <dtantsur> like, now it's 6:05pm
16:05:49 <edleafe> I was thinking maybe your morning would be better for APAC people
16:05:54 <dtantsur> having it within the previous 6 hours would be better
16:06:01 <dtantsur> probably?
16:06:26 <dtantsur> what's the convenient time for, say, China or Japan?
16:06:29 <edleafe> Is Thursday a good day for you? Or is there a better day of the week?
16:06:43 <dtantsur> Thursday is fine
16:07:08 <elmiko> probably early in dtantsur's day would make the most sense to hit apac
16:07:24 <elmiko> also, should we maybe alternate weeks?
16:07:33 <edleafe> China is 6 hours ahead of Europe
16:07:49 <edleafe> elmiko: I don't think so.
16:07:50 <elmiko> i'm really concerned about loading up too much on dtantsur too
16:07:57 <dtantsur> okay, so my 11am is 5pm there
16:08:02 <edleafe> He's tough, he can take it :)
16:08:06 <elmiko> lol
16:08:07 <dtantsur> elmiko: I'm concerned nobody will show up :)
16:08:14 <edleafe> dtantsur: exactly
16:08:21 <dtantsur> also yes, I used to be a PTL, I had to become tough :D
16:08:35 <elmiko> ok ok, i'm just trying to help here
16:08:37 <elmiko> =)
16:08:47 <dtantsur> but I can allocate 11am-12pm on Thu to talk to people if they arrive
16:08:57 <elmiko> dtantsur ++
16:09:05 <dtantsur> (11am my time aka CET - I rarely show up earlier)
16:09:08 <edleafe> dtantsur: so maybe 10am your time? So it's not too late for Japan/Australia, too?
16:09:20 <edleafe> ah, a late riser
16:09:36 <dtantsur> yeah
16:10:01 <dtantsur> 11am for me should be 6pm for them - not ideal, but better than what we have now for sure :)
16:10:30 <dtantsur> and I think they tend to stay late anyway..
16:10:40 <elmiko> so, we are talking about 0900-1000UTC and 1600-1700UTC for office hours then, is that accurate?
16:10:59 <elmiko> accounting for dst, of course
16:11:21 <dtantsur> yeah, DST messes up everything :)
16:11:32 <dtantsur> but I guess it's fine
16:11:33 <edleafe> Not with UTC!!
16:11:48 <dtantsur> well, my time has DST, so it will oscillate between 10am and 11am for me
16:11:59 <elmiko> yeah, i just didn't want dtantsur to think we were trying to make him wake up for a 10am ;)
16:12:03 <elmiko> right
16:12:11 <elmiko> 0900UTC == 1100CET
16:12:17 <elmiko> right now
16:12:26 <dtantsur> yep, we're on summer time
16:12:29 <cdent> I think besides announcing the office hours, if we put a "and any other time just ask in #openstack-sdks" we don't have to be super attentive to being around every week
16:12:29 <dtantsur> anyway, it's okay
16:12:40 <elmiko> cdent ++
16:12:45 <dtantsur> I work for home, so these things are slightly more flexible
16:12:48 <cdent> in fact the whole point of office hours is to avoid forced schedules
16:12:54 <dtantsur> s/for/from/ (though also for ofc)
16:14:16 <elmiko> i'm thinking about what we need to update
16:14:25 <elmiko> is it just these 2:
16:14:30 <elmiko> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG
16:14:39 <elmiko> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/
16:14:39 <elmiko> ?
16:14:42 <edleafe> I'd like to maintain some semi-formal structure
16:14:51 <edleafe> Even if people rarely seek us out
16:15:04 <elmiko> me too edleafe, i think advertising the "official" hours is a good thing
16:15:17 <edleafe> I mean, how many times have we had anyone other than us (and maybe mordred) attend our meetings?
16:15:27 <elmiko> but i also would like to encourage to just ping if they have a question
16:15:37 <elmiko> edleafe ++
16:15:42 <edleafe> elmiko: Sure, just like they can do now
16:16:03 <elmiko> yeah, good point
16:16:41 <elmiko> any thing else on this topic?
16:17:26 <edleafe> nope
16:17:37 <elmiko> i can take an action to propose changes for the schedule repo and wiki
16:17:51 <elmiko> #action elmiko update scheduling information about office hours
16:18:05 <elmiko> #topic open mic and ongoing or new biz
16:18:40 <elmiko> do we need forum space in berlin?
16:18:53 <elmiko> dtantsur are you going to hold a bof session or something?
16:19:01 <mordred> edleafe: how often am I even anywhere?
16:19:02 <edleafe> I filled out the spreadsheet and did not request space
16:19:11 <edleafe> mordred: too often
16:19:15 <elmiko> edleafe: ah, great. thank you
16:20:02 <elmiko> any other topics folks want to bring up?
16:20:21 <edleafe> Nope
16:20:32 <edleafe> Nothing from the GraphQL folks (shock!)
16:20:36 <elmiko> heh
16:20:48 <cdent> no way
16:21:00 <elmiko> #topic guidelines
16:21:10 <elmiko> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z
16:21:13 <cdent> btw, I was going to be bring virtual booze but I virtually forgot
16:21:19 <elmiko> don't think there has been any change here
16:21:35 <elmiko> cdent: it's virtual! you can go back in time and grab some =)
16:21:38 <edleafe> cdent: no worries; I'm already virtually drunk
16:21:42 <elmiko> LOL
16:21:47 <cdent> congrats!
16:22:17 <elmiko> what do we do about guidelines going forward, just work on them as needed?
16:22:41 <edleafe> yeah, sounds about right
16:22:47 <elmiko> k
16:22:58 <edleafe> If an issue comes up that needs discussion, there's always email
16:23:04 <elmiko> yeah
16:23:05 <edleafe> (and office hours!)
16:23:09 <elmiko> =)
16:23:13 <elmiko> #topic bug review
16:23:20 <elmiko> #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/1039
16:23:26 <elmiko> same story here, i don't think there is anything new
16:23:44 <elmiko> #topic weekly newsletter
16:23:51 <elmiko> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter
16:24:03 <elmiko> i think it's only appropriate that i take the last one
16:24:12 <elmiko> unless someone else wants it =)
16:24:31 <edleafe> Ooh, goody - lots of grammar corrections!
16:24:37 <elmiko> hahaha
16:24:47 <elmiko> are you volunteering then?
16:24:50 <elmiko> XD
16:24:57 <cdent> thanks everyone. I need to dash into town, but will be back on teh internets at the top of the hour
16:25:05 <elmiko> later cdent o/
16:25:12 <edleafe> ciao
16:26:04 <cdent> it's been real
16:26:10 <elmiko> well, if edleafe isn't going to fight me for the last newsletter, i suppose we have reached the end of this meeting =)
16:26:19 <elmiko> anybody wanna drop some last words?
16:26:25 <edleafe> The end of *all* meetings
16:26:35 <elmiko> #endmeeting