18:01:24 <sarob> #startmeeting ambassadors
18:01:25 <openstack> Meeting started Fri Jan 30 18:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:01:28 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ambassadors'
18:01:54 <mrmartin> We could create a new rule, if an ambassador not attends a meeting at least once per month, we can revoke his title :)
18:01:59 <sarob> We need to get more active on the ml
18:02:16 <mrmartin> anyway
18:02:18 <sarob> I think most forget about the time
18:02:29 <mrmartin> then I'm going to grab a beer instead
18:02:30 <sarob> And the ics is still messed up
18:02:37 <sarob> ;)
18:02:50 <mrmartin> I'll meet with Erwan during this weekend, both of us is in Brussels, FOSDEM
18:03:04 <mrmartin> sarob
18:03:04 <sarob> Cool
18:03:12 <sarob> Mrmartin
18:03:16 <mrmartin> we are ready for UI translations for the groups portal
18:03:27 <sarob> Sweet
18:03:29 <mrmartin> https://groups-dev.openstack.org/
18:03:32 <mrmartin> with a nice language selector
18:03:52 <mrmartin> and the most awesome thing is, that it can connect the membership data from meetup.com pages!
18:03:54 <sarob> So there will be a lang option in the corner
18:04:06 <sarob> Nice
18:04:17 <mrmartin> I'm just waiting for an Foundation meetup.com subscription then I can inject the API ke
18:04:19 <mrmartin> key
18:04:24 <sarob> It's looking better
18:04:49 <mrmartin> and imagine that, with this, we can make reports, and create global and regional summaries
18:05:04 <sarob> That will be very cool
18:05:09 <mrmartin> and event can check the trends
18:05:12 <mrmartin> awesome
18:05:28 <sarob> Import old meetup data!
18:05:44 <sarob> That was a question
18:05:46 <mrmartin> and the size of the community is huge
18:05:49 <mrmartin> ok
18:05:49 <sarob> Not a statement
18:05:55 <mrmartin> import old meetup data
18:06:12 <sarob> Fat fingers
18:06:19 <mrmartin> so, it is a question how we want to do it. I've double checked the API the worst thing is membership data
18:06:29 <mrmartin> because meetup.com hides the email addresses
18:06:38 <sarob> Hmm
18:06:46 <mrmartin> so maybe we need a manual assignment of profiles
18:06:53 <sarob> Icky
18:06:59 <mrmartin> it is not a big problem, until you don't have a huge group :)
18:07:18 <mrmartin> I'll discuss those things with Stefano also
18:07:22 <sarob> I've only got 5k or so
18:07:42 <mrmartin> going through 5k records is a huge task I guess
18:07:56 <mrmartin> maybe with some voluenteer help it is not impossible
18:07:57 <mrmartin> but
18:08:06 <sarob> If have a reg system
18:08:18 <sarob> For check ins
18:08:23 <mrmartin> if you want to import the meetup data, the question here, you like to see a continous data sync
18:08:42 <mrmartin> or a one-time import only, and use the groups portal for further activity (like event advertisement, attendee handling)
18:08:46 <sarob> We could gamify badges swag or something
18:09:08 <sarob> For first meet, 5th, 10th et
18:09:10 <sarob> Etc
18:09:36 <sarob> Shurely
18:10:06 <sarob> Messy irc clients
18:10:29 <mrmartin> ok, the short-term goal actually, to receive the meetup.com API key that I can use for data sync
18:10:40 <mrmartin> and we can step further after this, I'm working on that
18:10:50 <sarob> I would really like to have a simple way of tracking who comes to which meetings
18:11:03 <sarob> Cool
18:11:28 <sarob> I like the progess
18:11:29 <mrmartin> I guess yours is the largest group, how much people used to visit?
18:11:32 <mrmartin> what is the avg?
18:11:38 <mrmartin> and the max
18:11:40 <sarob> Last was 110
18:11:49 <sarob> Biggest was 260
18:12:04 <mrmartin> and are you doing a registration of attendees there?
18:12:11 <sarob> Nope
18:12:23 <mrmartin> and would you like to do something like eventbrite?
18:12:31 <sarob> Coul
18:12:34 <mrmartin> or how do you like to measure who came or not?
18:12:35 <sarob> Cloud
18:12:40 <sarob> Arg
18:13:33 <sarob> I was thinking the groups site could support attendees
18:13:42 <mrmartin> it is supporting now
18:13:51 <sarob> So you could add check in button
18:13:55 <mrmartin> oh, right
18:14:18 <sarob> It could give away stuff
18:14:26 <sarob> Based on the data
18:14:29 <mrmartin> but if you like to get exact data, you cannot avoid to measure on-site who visited the event
18:14:40 <sarob> Marketing people like to give away swag
18:14:49 <mrmartin> it is a typical thing, that somebody event pushing the good to see you button, who not visited the event
18:14:59 <mrmartin> event / even
18:15:22 <sarob> Yeah but I want to push people to your site
18:15:26 <sarob> Not meetup
18:15:29 <mrmartin> ok.
18:15:31 <mrmartin> allright.
18:15:46 <sarob> Still using meetup for backend stuff is cool
18:15:49 <mrmartin> and would you like to keep meetup.com as an event advertising channel?
18:15:55 <sarob> Right
18:16:02 <mrmartin> because it is reaching other people registered to meetups
18:16:08 <sarob> Exactly
18:16:18 <sarob> Best of both options
18:16:34 <sarob> You can innovate
18:16:54 <sarob> Meetup does the std stuff
18:17:06 <mrmartin> ok, but the question will came up here, which one will be the origin of data? for example if you want to see the number of members
18:17:29 <mrmartin> how can I calculate that? Use groups data or meetup.com data, or mix of both?
18:17:35 <sarob> Can you synch the data?
18:17:56 <mrmartin> it was very hard, because we need to assign the profiles manually
18:18:03 <mrmartin> and imagine it is not so bad
18:18:05 <sarob> Hold on a SFC
18:18:10 <sarob> Crap
18:18:14 <sarob> Sec
18:18:19 <mrmartin> I check linkedin, because somebody have groups that
18:18:37 <mrmartin> the linkeding api not exactly designed for data consumption by scripts
18:19:02 <mrmartin> so if we want to use a robot to sync in data from linkedin, we need to renew the api token every 60 days.
18:19:05 <mrmartin> manually.
18:19:10 <sarob> Icky
18:19:35 <sarob> I'd say your data should be primary
18:19:56 <mrmartin> it can be a goal, but it will take time to move everybody here.
18:20:17 <sarob> Understood
18:20:18 <mrmartin> actually, as I added the meetup.com sync plugin, it can be turned on or of by group organizers
18:20:29 <mrmartin> so it can be managed per group
18:20:40 <sarob> Okay
18:20:47 <mrmartin> and I can write a logic, that is using different source of data depending on group settings.
18:21:00 <mrmartin> I think it is a good middle-way
18:21:05 <sarob> Okay
18:21:31 <sarob> I'd like to start doing activities data driven
18:21:57 <sarob> Future goal
18:21:58 <mrmartin> ok.
18:22:49 <mrmartin> I guess the first membership count stats will be a great breakthrough
18:22:54 <mrmartin> and if it works, we can extend with other data-mining functions
18:22:56 <sarob> We could track which people go to what type of events
18:23:02 <sarob> Yup
18:23:15 <mrmartin> even making the data consumable through api
18:23:18 <mrmartin> similary to stackalytics
18:23:35 <sarob> I know some people travel a lot and hit different events
18:23:45 <sarob> Along their trips
18:24:14 <sarob> Metrics like that will be very interesting
18:24:35 <sarob> What draws people in
18:24:54 <mrmartin> yeap, but need to protect their privacy too
18:25:03 <sarob> Then what their git stats
18:25:18 <mrmartin> so before defining so strict tracking functions, need to check the legal part too
18:25:26 <sarob> Sure
18:25:54 <mrmartin> but consuming anonymized data, like the usage reports can work
18:26:04 <mrmartin> just requires some initial planning
18:26:32 <sarob> All sound exciting options
18:26:37 <sarob> Sounds
18:26:41 <sarob> Like
18:26:45 <mrmartin> ok, in the next 2week sprint, I want to finish the first report, let's see the feedbacks first
18:27:03 <mrmartin> about the group membership
18:27:06 <sarob> Anyone else join us for the ambassador meeting?
18:27:20 <mrmartin> and after that it is very easy to create an activity report
18:27:20 <mrmartin> as a second step
18:27:24 <mrmartin> noone
18:27:35 <mrmartin> ok
18:27:38 <sarob> Mrmartin can't wait
18:28:03 <mrmartin> but I need to go, and find the Delirium cafee
18:28:06 <sarob> I have started surveying at our meets
18:28:06 <mrmartin> and meet with other fellas IRL
18:28:17 <mrmartin> awesome
18:29:00 <mrmartin> I did a presentation at a different meetup group, and they did a survey also
18:29:14 <sarob> Surveymonkey
18:29:19 <mrmartin> what you measured in the survey?
18:29:31 <sarob> Instructor feedback
18:30:04 <mrmartin> ok.
18:30:13 <sarob> #link https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CSH6VBW
18:30:33 <sarob> About 15% feedback ratio
18:31:31 <mrmartin> notbad
18:31:53 <mrmartin> ok
18:32:05 <sarob> Here's the data #link http://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-M9BQ5GZV
18:32:08 <mrmartin> do you plan to visit the tuesday meetup for the other timezone?
18:32:29 <sarob> Which what?
18:32:44 <mrmartin> the next one on tuesday, ambassador
18:33:38 <sarob> Oh right I fell asleep for the last Tuesday one
18:33:57 <sarob> Can you run the tuesday ones?
18:34:24 <sarob> I'll join if i can
18:34:35 <sarob> Stay aware ;)
18:34:41 <sarob> Awake
18:34:46 <sarob> Arg
18:34:58 <sarob> Spell check is messing with me
18:35:29 <mrmartin> ok, don't forget to send around a reminder on monday
18:35:42 <sarob> Right
18:36:59 <sarob> Akihiro is running the upstream Dev training in Tokyo
18:37:14 <mrmartin> awesome, I plan to do one in our region too
18:37:26 <sarob> I want to get him more active on this
18:37:56 <sarob> Translation performance
18:37:58 <mrmartin> I'll finish the Vancouver summit session this weekend with Erwan.
18:38:11 <sarob> And region specific content
18:38:14 <egallen> yes, we will try to finish the summit talk description this week-end with mrmartin at the FOSDEM in Brussels
18:38:31 <sarob> Egallen cool
18:38:59 <sarob> As part of training guides
18:39:45 <sarob> I want to make sure your improvements get back into the repo
18:40:34 <sarob> Making the content work for different regions is really difficult and exciting
18:42:20 <mrmartin> ok.
18:42:59 <sarob> There will be interesting ways of improving training based on groups site and surveys
18:43:22 <sarob> I don't know what those are yet though
18:44:34 <sarob> I think that all I have
18:44:40 <mrmartin> allright
18:45:28 <sarob> Anything else from y'all?
18:45:45 <egallen> no
18:46:26 <sarob> Parting thought
18:46:48 <sarob> We should be more active on the ambassador ML
18:47:01 <mrmartin> yeap
18:47:04 <mrmartin> I agree
18:47:16 <sarob> #info we should be more active on the ambassador ML
18:47:26 <sarob> With that
18:47:36 <sarob> Good night!
18:47:46 <egallen> Bye
18:48:03 <sarob> #endmeeting