Tuesday, 2015-11-10

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder: dib-lint: ignore blank lines in element ordering  https://review.openstack.org/23129200:32
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/151090104:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1510901 in tripleo "seed's nova-compute service start fail" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cameron.C (cameron-c)04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/151171504:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1511715 in diskimage-builder "Images using draycut should have the option to pass drivers to include in build" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger)04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/151350804:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1513508 in diskimage-builder "Ironic IPA does not work when Swift is using https" [Undecided,New]04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/150590004:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505900 in diskimage-builder "Failed to create 'wily' release with DIB_RELEASE" [Undecided,New]04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/150426304:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504263 in tripleo "os-net-config mapping by MAC fails if trying to map in alternate order" [Undecided,Triaged]04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/150914804:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1509148 in tripleo "keystone initialize fails if undercloud can't reach overcloud public vip" [Undecided,New]04:00
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openstackgerritGraeme Gillies proposed openstack/os-cloud-config: Add wol ironic driver support  https://review.openstack.org/21395605:05
openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder: Clarify what fedora-minimal/install.d/99-ramdisk is doing  https://review.openstack.org/23958205:14
openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder: Fix fedora-minimal kernel-install on older platforms  https://review.openstack.org/23958305:14
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jaosoriortremble: Didn't figure out a way to use get_file there06:25
tremblejaosorior: once I'm on the VPN (with easy access to email) I'll send you some alternative versions06:26
jaosoriorsure06:26
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openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Remove unused RELEASE_RPMS variable  https://review.openstack.org/23497107:17
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jaosoriorshardy: Are you around?08:07
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shardyjaosorior: Hi, yup I am now08:33
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cmystermorning shardy08:33
shardyg'morning cmyster08:34
jaosoriorshardy: would upgrading the overcloud-without-mergepy.yaml to 2016-04-08 be an option in master?08:34
jaosoriorthe usage of map_merge would be really nice :P08:35
shardyjaosorior: yes, now we have stable/liberty branches that should be possible08:35
shardyideally, we'd get the stable CI and a basic upgrade job in place first08:35
shardybut if it's a blocker then I'd say it's OK to do now08:35
shardyjust bear in mind nothing using 2016-04-08 features can be backported to stable/liberty08:36
jaosoriorsure08:36
jaosoriortremble: I got your mail08:36
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tremblejaosorior: :)08:36
jaosoriorso you're proposing just injecting the same cert/key to all the controllers?08:37
tremblejaosorior: yeah, however, still pass the index in, so that people can customize if they have a complex usecase08:38
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jaosoriortremble: By the way, do you have any opinion on the costumization of the destination cert path?08:40
tremblejaosorior: No feelings either way08:41
trembleshardy: How do you feel, should we expose parameters we don't expect people to change?08:42
cmyster+108:42
shardytremble: I normally lean towards not exposing a parameter unless it's fairly clear it'll need to be modifified in some cases08:43
cmysterfrom a user point of view, options are nice, but should be well documented.08:44
shardythat said, if it's only in a nested template (e.g accessible via parameter_defaults rather than wired in via overcloud-without-mergepy.yaml) it's probably OK to add a parameter to the nested template, with the expected default08:44
shardytremble: got a link to the example under discussion?08:46
trembleshardy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241200/7/puppet/extraconfig/tls/ca-inject.yaml <- bnemec's comment08:46
trembleAnd the "previous change" is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231930/36 (more comments there too)08:48
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shardytremble: I guess the point is, we don't support debian atm, and nobody is stepping up to add that support right now (are they?)08:50
shardyWhile I'd love to see that change, I can see bnemec's point which is it's confusing to add options which we don't expect to actually work08:50
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trembleshardy: yeah, I have no strong feelings either way08:51
shardyPersonally, I'd probably remove the parameter, and the inject-trust-anchor-debian.yaml environment file08:51
tremblejaosorior: That sounds like 2 +2's saying "no need for the extra complexity"08:52
shardyand maybe start an etherpad with a list of known issues wrt debian integration08:52
jaosoriormy only argument is that if we hardcode too much things to be red-hat distros only, it'll hinder anyone else wanting to step in. As this will create more work for them08:52
jaosoriorSo it doesn't seem like a very inclusive practice IMO08:53
* tremble nods, and there's no reason why you couldn't create a debian version of the template rather than a debian environment08:53
shardyjaosorior: that's true, but until someone steps up to maintain a debian version, we don't even know if e.g they'd want to use puppet08:54
openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Fixup RPM db path when building Fedora on Ubuntu  https://review.openstack.org/23877308:54
shardyso it's seems somewhat cleaner if we defer that discussion until it actually happens08:54
shardyI'm totally +1 on supporting non-redhat distros though, it's just nobody right now has the bandwidth to do it08:55
jaosorioralright08:56
jaosoriorwill change it then08:57
shardyA compromise could be to leave the parameters in place, but remove the environment file (and the reference to the parameter in the environment file remaining)08:57
shardythat makes it a little clearer it's not something we expect folks to routinely modify08:58
* tremble prefers that approach ^08:58
jaosorioryeah, that actually makes more sense08:59
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* tremble thanks shardy for his input.09:03
jaosorioryeah shardy, thanks dude09:04
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shardySimple docs patch needs another +2/A if anyone has a moment09:11
shardyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/238600/09:11
shardy(documents installing stable/liberty TripleO)09:11
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openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Make CloudName available for Endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/23996009:32
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Refacter Endpoints into EndpointMap  https://review.openstack.org/23888709:32
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable trust anchor injection  https://review.openstack.org/24120009:33
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Expose the IP of the Endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/24127409:33
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add the GlanceRegistry and Horizon endpoints to EndpointMap  https://review.openstack.org/24049709:33
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Pass the endpoint ports and protocols through to hiera  https://review.openstack.org/24049809:33
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Use PCS's maintenance mode while updating configuration  https://review.openstack.org/24214109:33
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable TLS deployment for the Overcloud  https://review.openstack.org/23193009:33
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder: Remove unused RELEASE_RPMS variable  https://review.openstack.org/23497109:38
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/151090110:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1510901 in tripleo "seed's nova-compute service start fail" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cameron.C (cameron-c)10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/151171510:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1511715 in diskimage-builder "Images using draycut should have the option to pass drivers to include in build" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger)10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/151350810:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1513508 in diskimage-builder "Ironic IPA does not work when Swift is using https" [Undecided,New]10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/150590010:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505900 in diskimage-builder "Failed to create 'wily' release with DIB_RELEASE" [Undecided,New]10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/150426310:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504263 in tripleo "os-net-config mapping by MAC fails if trying to map in alternate order" [Undecided,Triaged]10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/150914810:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1509148 in tripleo "keystone initialize fails if undercloud can't reach overcloud public vip" [Undecided,New]10:00
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jaosoriorshardy: for the get_file command in heat, what does the path have to be relative to?10:02
jaosoriorI've tried absolute path and a path relative to where I ran the command, and still I get errors10:02
tremblejaosorior: IIRC it's relative to the template that's consuming it...10:03
jaosoriorso no absolute paths?10:03
trembleI think absolute paths should work too.10:03
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jaosoriortremble: Seems that get_file can't be used with get_param http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/hot_spec.html#get-file10:08
trembleOh, sucky10:08
jaosoriornow I remember why I had done it the way I did in the beginning, copying the content of the certs and keys10:08
trembleYeah when I was testing it was hard coded.10:08
jaosoriorshould have written that down somewhere10:08
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Make CloudName available for Endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/23996010:09
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Refacter Endpoints into EndpointMap  https://review.openstack.org/23888710:09
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable trust anchor injection  https://review.openstack.org/24120010:09
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Expose the IP of the Endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/24127410:09
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add the GlanceRegistry and Horizon endpoints to EndpointMap  https://review.openstack.org/24049710:09
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Pass the endpoint ports and protocols through to hiera  https://review.openstack.org/24049810:09
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Use PCS's maintenance mode while updating configuration  https://review.openstack.org/24214110:09
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable TLS deployment for the Overcloud  https://review.openstack.org/23193010:09
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jaosoriorSo now there are two options. Either we pass the content of the certs and keys, or we hardcode a path to get them from10:10
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tremblejaosorior: I guess we pass the content10:11
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jaosorioruhm... unless get_file works on the environments10:12
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed openstack/tripleo-common: Install git-remote-hg in place of git-hg  https://review.openstack.org/24350610:12
jaosoriorany idea if it does?10:13
tremblejaosorior: it doesn't, I tried that10:14
tremblemight actually be a nice RFE for environments to be able to "include" files.10:15
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shardytremble: IIRC there is already an RFE about that, I'll try to find it for you10:21
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openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Make CloudName available for Endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/23996010:22
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Refacter Endpoints into EndpointMap  https://review.openstack.org/23888710:22
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable trust anchor injection  https://review.openstack.org/24120010:22
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Expose the IP of the Endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/24127410:22
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add the GlanceRegistry and Horizon endpoints to EndpointMap  https://review.openstack.org/24049710:22
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Pass the endpoint ports and protocols through to hiera  https://review.openstack.org/24049810:22
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Use PCS's maintenance mode while updating configuration  https://review.openstack.org/24214110:22
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable TLS deployment for the Overcloud  https://review.openstack.org/23193010:22
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shardytremble: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-heat-liberty-template-format10:32
shardyit was discussed in vancouver, but I currently can't find a spec10:32
trembleprobably means it never happened :(10:33
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trembleshardy: What I specifically would have liked is the ability to do is "parameter_defaults: { certificate_contents: get_file { 'my-cert.crt' } }" in an environment file.10:35
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shardytremble: ack, we probably should enable that, as well as referencing a default in the parameter definition via get_file10:43
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Make CloudName available for Endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/23996010:48
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Refacter Endpoints into EndpointMap  https://review.openstack.org/23888710:48
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable trust anchor injection  https://review.openstack.org/24120010:48
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Expose the IP of the Endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/24127410:48
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add the GlanceRegistry and Horizon endpoints to EndpointMap  https://review.openstack.org/24049710:48
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Pass the endpoint ports and protocols through to hiera  https://review.openstack.org/24049810:48
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Use PCS's maintenance mode while updating configuration  https://review.openstack.org/24214110:48
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable TLS deployment for the Overcloud  https://review.openstack.org/23193010:48
jaosoriortremble: alright, that version doesn't require a list of certs/keys ^^10:49
tremble:)10:49
jaosoriorthe nodeindex is still there in case someone needs the list though10:50
openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add simple linux bridge as network environment  https://review.openstack.org/24353110:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder: Fixup RPM db path when building Fedora on Ubuntu  https://review.openstack.org/23877311:03
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trembleshardy: spredzy's change which moves t-h-t to using puppet for managing the endpoints/services/etc triggers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-keystone/+bug/1514795 on upgrades11:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1514795 in puppet-keystone "Changes to keystone_service doesn't trigger a refresh of keystone_endpoint" [Undecided,New]11:16
openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add simple linux bridge as network environment  https://review.openstack.org/24353111:18
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shardytremble: Ok, I thought we were going to revert that pending further testing FWIW11:27
trembleshardy: It ended up with its sister patch pushed too11:28
trembleshardy: and no revert11:28
trembleshardy: Hence me informing you :/11:28
* shardy holds hands up11:35
shardyI +2'd the revert11:35
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shardylet's discuss it at the meeting later11:36
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trembleshardy: The quick and dirty fix would be to ensure that the service names and descriptions that get passed to puppet match the old defaults.11:40
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openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add option to add metadata for the overcloud nodes  https://review.openstack.org/24355011:52
openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-puppet-elements: Adding networking MidoNet element  https://review.openstack.org/23255111:53
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jaosoriorshardy: I added a patch that enables the setting of metadata for the servers deployed by the overcloud. It's quite simple: Just exposes a json parameter called ServerMetadata that will be passed down to every isntance of OS::Nova::Server.12:27
jaosoriorThe reason I added that was because some nova hooks need custom metadata to be set. And I didn't see a way of setting it. Does that make sense?12:28
jaosoriorOr, is there something else I should consider?12:28
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openstackgerritJiri Tomasek proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add capabilities map  https://review.openstack.org/24243912:53
shardyjaosorior: Hey, yeah that looks fine, what's the use-case exactly?12:56
shardyjaosorior: we've until now only used the heat metadata server, because it's somewhat less confusing when the per-server metadata is coming only from one place12:57
shardybut passing metadata to nova seems reasonable if there's a need for it12:57
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jaosoriorshardy: The usage is interacting with nova hooks; Which is something that the IdM integration requires13:03
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jaosoriorshardy: Actually, that's why I asked about the map_merge part. Since at some point I would like to have metadata that's only specific for controllers, and that could be merged with the metadata that's for all the nodes13:04
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shardyjaosorior: Yeah, whether we need per-role metadata was a question I just added to the review13:04
jaosoriorProbably per-node metadata will be preferable. But that patch can be potentially back-ported if needed. And a subsequent one adding per-role metadata wouldn't be, due to the map_merge13:06
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shardyjaosorior: ack, I was just thinking the same thing13:06
shardyit'd align well with the ExtraConfig parameters too13:06
shardye.g if we start with a generic/global parameter, then add the per-role ones13:06
jaosoriorthat sounds good13:07
jaosorioranyway, thanks for the feedback, I'll update the CR with your suggestions13:07
shardyjaosorior: thanks, I'm +2 if we can just put "Nova" somewhere in the description13:07
openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add option to add metadata for the overcloud nodes  https://review.openstack.org/24355013:12
jaosoriorshardy: Done13:12
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openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient: Do not try to introspect nodes in maintenance mode and associated ones  https://review.openstack.org/23514813:18
openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient: [WIP] Support new ironic "enroll" state  https://review.openstack.org/23515813:18
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gfidenteshardy, on backporting changes13:44
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hewbroccatripleo folks, I have a question13:51
hewbroccait may be more heat-ish than tripleo-ish, but I'll try here first13:51
hewbroccaSuppose someone does a tripleo deployment13:52
hewbroccaand then all unwitting-like updates it via some other means13:52
hewbroccathey go roll their own upgrade or something like that13:52
hewbroccain the end, their cloud is updated, to a known state, but Heat is out of sync13:53
hewbroccais there a way to get Heat back into sync with a deployment that has "drifted" like this?13:53
hewbroccaeven a very sketchy way?13:53
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shardyhewbrocca: not really, but it depends what was updated13:57
shardyhewbrocca: e.g if it was something managed by puppet, making heat re-apply puppet will destroy the out-of-band updates13:57
shardybut if some packages were updated on a few nodes, heat has no way to know that, other than maybe updating all the nodes13:57
marioshewbrocca: i am not sure if the heat update will succeed (i.e. just 'update' to the given tripleo heat templates you used to deploy in the first place) - the main issue i can think of is if new version of *thing* no longer works with the heat templates director uses to 'update'13:57
dprincemeeting in 5 minutes13:57
dprince3 even13:58
shardydprince: 2! ;)13:58
gfidenteshardy, the question on backports was, were the stable branches created all the same day? 16th?13:58
hewbroccaOK -- say, for example, that said customer used *our documented manual upgrade procedure* to upgrade from kilo to liberty13:59
hewbroccasaid operator, I should say13:59
shardygfidente: yes, and they were all created using the same SHA's as RDO manager, e.g we know we're hopefully starting from a working point13:59
dprincehewbrocca: with regards to the "out of sync" my view is perhaps a bit different. The fact is we already use puppet which is meant to be an idompotent (make it so) sort of configuration tool13:59
gfidenteshardy, ack tks, wanted to find backport-able changes13:59
slaglehewbrocca: in theory, if the end result is the same, and fully represented in the templates, you ought to be able to stack-update to the new templates and be Ok13:59
shardygfidente: we don't yet have stable branch CI in place though, it's blocked on reviews of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240938/13:59
hewbroccaslagle: right14:00
dprincehewbrocca: so long as the "out of sync" stuff you are talking about isn't OS:* (openstack) resources, I think  a blanket update of everything would be totally fine14:00
slagleproving that theory would be something else :)14:00
slaglehewbrocca: i think i know where you're going with this14:00
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shardyyeah, in theory, modulo any local out-of-band config changes14:00
dprincehewbrocca: and perhaps we should even *always* update all puppet resources14:00
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hewbroccaslagle: I'll admit it, I was trying to think of a way to lessen the pressure on Heat to be *the only possible way* to upgrade your deployment14:01
slaglehewbrocca: yes. i keep considering the same, given the amount we've been banging our head into a brick wall recently14:01
hewbroccaI think we'll be better off if we're not forcing heat into that position14:02
slagledon't use heat for updates at all14:02
slagledo out of band update14:02
slaglethen stack-update to new templates14:02
gfidenteupdates or upgrades?14:02
gfidentelike don't use heat for tht updates? or for packages upgrades?14:02
slaglegfidente: package updates14:02
gfidenteoh I like that too14:03
gfidentebecause to do it from heat, I would like to scratch the node14:03
hewbroccagfidente: IOW wipe the node and reimage?14:03
hewbroccaslagle: if we could make that work, it will take a ton of pressure off us14:04
hewbroccain the short term14:04
gfidentehewbrocca, yes but it's only theory, not proven to work, my idea was that we should always be capable of redeploying a node14:04
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openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: MidoNet heat templates  https://review.openstack.org/23899814:48
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dtantsurdprince, so re OSC namespaces, I don't mind using something else rather than "overcloud", but it should be clear that it's not something generic15:01
dtantsurOR we should make it generic enough and propose to ironic :)15:02
d0ugalI think we should try moving what we can into ironic first15:02
tzumainnmarios, do you know how I create a doodle poll?15:02
dprincedtantsur: sure, I'm in favor of moving as many of these into ironic as possible as "generic" useful tools15:02
trembleshardy: Oops we forgot to mention the t-h-t / puppet stuff : FWIW I have a potential fix for the one issue I've seen - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243596/15:03
mariostzumainn: so doodle is for scheduling... i meant some equivalent... /me pokes15:03
dtantsurone thing that will be hard to sell (IMO) is our operations on all nodes..15:03
jristok then15:04
d0ugaldtantsur: Yeah, those are the commands that originally put us down this path15:04
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dtantsurmaybe it's not so bad actually, but it's definitely worth discussion (it's pity I didn't realize it before/during the summit)15:05
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dtantsurthe problem with mass operations is to figure our which node are eligible for a particular operation...15:06
dtantsuri.e. what we do with "bulk start" won't be accepted upstream, as we work around the ironic state machine15:07
tzumainnmarios, don't worry about it - I'm going to forgo the poll and just lay out the exact argument while assuming that people are okay with 'tripleo'15:07
tzumainner, as a name, I mean15:07
tzumainninstead of tuskar15:07
openstackgerritC├ędric LECOMTE proposed openstack/instack-undercloud: Adding SOSReport on RHOS  https://review.openstack.org/24364415:07
d0ugaltzumainn: +1, nobody seemed to object, there were just slight alternatives that don't really matter15:08
d0ugal:)15:08
trowndtantsur: there seemed to be weak agreement towards some kind of bulk operation in the "group managment" session15:08
trowndtantsur: I could at least see something like what you have for inspection there15:08
trownie. explicit list of nodes to act on15:09
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mariostzumainn: yeah sorry so doesn't seem to be a free voting system i can easily find... perhaps an etherpad with just two/three clear options for people to +1 under. then count the votes15:11
mariostzumainn: or whatever as you said15:11
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bnemecI say let people vote on the spec if they don't like it.15:12
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dprincetzumainn: so you'll update your spec here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230432/ with the idea of renaming tripleo-common -> tripleo, and that repo contains everything?15:14
d0ugal"everything" :)15:14
dprincethe kitchen sink15:15
mariosall_the_things15:15
tzumainndprince, yeah, doing that now!15:15
dprincetzumainn: sounds good15:15
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openstackgerritTzu-Mainn Chen proposed openstack/tripleo-specs: Spec for TripleO overcloud deployment REST API  https://review.openstack.org/23043215:17
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tzumainntrown, what would the packaging implications be for renaming tripleo-common to tripleo... ?  I'm not all that familiar with packaging, to be honest15:18
trowntzumainn: it just involves provides/obsoletes old package to make sure upgrade works15:19
mburnedtzumainn: trown:  we call tripleo-incubator tripleo15:22
tzumainncrap15:22
mburnedtzumainn: if we can remove incubator (move it's stuff into tripleo-common)15:23
mburnedthen we'd be able to15:23
tzumainnI kinda wonder why it wasn't just called... tripleo-incubator15:23
tzumainnmburned, can you reply to the upstream mailing list on the thread I created?15:24
mburnedtzumainn: i think we didn't want to ship something called incubator15:25
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trownhmm, ya so that rename gets a bit trickier then...15:25
mburnedtrown: not terrible15:25
mburnedmove the incubator stuff out15:26
mburnedbump epoch15:26
trownwould we even have a package named tripleo produced from the new tripleo repo though?15:26
mburnedand add obsoletes/provides15:26
derekhFYI, tripleo ci only uses 1 thing from the tripleo package (wait_for)15:26
derekhI've been meaning to move it15:26
derekhthe virt setup stuff used by dev's will need to be moved too15:27
trownWe use instack-virt-setup in CI15:27
trownwhich uses the devtest stuff15:27
derekhtrown: no in upstream CI15:27
mariosyeah but that is calling into sthing like create-nodes though15:27
derekhtrown: *not15:27
trownright, we there was with my rdo-manager hat on :p15:27
trownwhat is the reason to not name the package tripleo-api?15:28
derekhThe hat you should be wearing in this channel http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=844768&d=137642809415:28
trowngit repo can be named foobedoomaboobedoo for all I care from a packaging pov15:28
trownwould wear that... my whole fam went as owls for halloween15:29
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derekh;-)15:30
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gfidenteshardy, regarding https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-update-testing L2315:41
gfidentedo you think it makes sense to run the update job for changes against stable branch as well?15:41
gfidentelooks like yes to me15:42
shardygfidente: Yes, I think so15:42
shardyI'm hoping we can implement things (e.g in tripleo.sh) in such a way that most tests will work on ether stable or master15:42
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openstackgerritRajini Ram proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable Equallogic Backends in Cinder  https://review.openstack.org/24264015:46
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openstackgerritGiulio Fidente proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Set default start/stop timeout for pcmk services to 95s  https://review.openstack.org/24157215:55
jaygjistr gfidente: for the keystone in wsgi patch, what would you guys think of making it optional for now, perhaps leaving the default eventlet, and then when mitaka becomes default master and the CI breaks, change the default to wsgi?  then in the meantime we can work out with fabbione and co how to handle services going into httpd?15:58
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/151090116:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/151171516:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1510901 in tripleo "seed's nova-compute service start fail" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cameron.C (cameron-c)16:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1511715 in diskimage-builder "Images using draycut should have the option to pass drivers to include in build" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger)16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/151350816:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1513508 in diskimage-builder "Ironic IPA does not work when Swift is using https" [Undecided,New]16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/150590016:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505900 in diskimage-builder "Failed to create 'wily' release with DIB_RELEASE" [Undecided,New]16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/150426316:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/150914816:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504263 in tripleo "os-net-config mapping by MAC fails if trying to map in alternate order" [Undecided,Triaged]16:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1509148 in tripleo "keystone initialize fails if undercloud can't reach overcloud public vip" [Undecided,New]16:00
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gfidentetzumainn, dtantsur, d0ugal tripleoclient should *not* consume tripleo-common?16:00
dtantsurdefinitely16:00
gfidenteisn't tripleo-common the repo where the (in)famous business logic should go?16:01
dtantsurat least not for any kinds of business logic16:01
dtantsurgfidente, yes, and it should be covered by API. and this API will be used by tripleoclient and all the GUI's16:01
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gfidentedtantsur, so you mean d0ugal should be written from scratch as well to use the tripleo api16:01
d0ugalYeah, so all logic would be behind an API now16:01
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d0ugalgfidente: lol, it doesn't cause me any problems :)16:02
gfidenteto be rewritten from scratch?16:02
dtantsurrewriting d0ugal is an interesting challenge. do we have access to the source code?16:02
d0ugaldtantsur: Sorry, I am closed source.16:02
dtantsurnot wow16:03
dtantsurnot wow at all16:03
tzumainntime to start hacking on d0ugal16:03
d0ugallol16:03
d0ugalAnyway.16:03
d0ugalgfidente: The logic is being moved from the CLI to tripleo-common16:03
d0ugalThis just changes how the CLI will then consume that16:04
d0ugalHowever, I expect we need some transition time before the CLI wont use some of tripleo-common as a library16:04
dtantsuryeah. if client has direct access to business logic, it won't exercise the same code path as GUI16:04
d0ugalFor the transition period, it will need direct access, because otherwise we wont have a CLI until the API is "finished"16:05
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fabbionejayg: as long as we don't change it for liberty I am ok.16:07
gfidente all this said, I'd like the logic to be completely optional as well, because I really think we might need to give users control over each and every template param16:08
fabbionejayg: moving to wsgi is going to be major pain16:08
fabbionejayg: it's a major restructuring the of architecture to some extents16:08
jaygfabbione: understood, but itis non-optional for mitaka16:11
jaygand encouraged for liberty16:11
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gfidentedtantsur, d0ugal does my reply to list about repos naming make sense to you?16:14
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dtantsurgfidente, yeah, except that option b is not an option IMO :)16:19
openstackgerritWilliam Stevenson proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Add lldp info element for ironic-inspector  https://review.openstack.org/24369516:22
openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: MidoNet heat templates  https://review.openstack.org/23899816:27
fabbionejayg: yes I am aware of the situation. we need some deeper surgery for Mikata anyway :)16:31
fabbionejayg: so let's try to do it once and done good vs trying to patch it up in a hurry today16:31
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trowngfidente: dtantsur, d0ugal now I get the idea of putting the api in tripleo-common16:31
trownI was wrongly thinking of the API and the CLI as consumers of tripleo logic16:32
trownit is GUI and CLI as consumers of the API16:32
trownwhat would be the issue in putting both the API and the logic in a repo named tripleo-api?16:33
trownactually... that does not even matter16:34
trownthe packages will likely be python-tripleo for the library and tripleo-api for the REST API service... so naming the repo tripleo makes sense from a consitancy with the other projects16:35
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dtantsur+116:40
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gfidentedtantsur, so we seem to all agree on option 1) if tripleoclient becomes a consumer of the -api16:49
gfidented0ugal, trown, tzumainn ?16:49
gfidentewhat about making the business logic skippable? anything against that?16:50
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trownI do not understand skippable in this context16:55
trownat least some of the logic is not skippable in a way that will lead to success16:55
trownand outside of the logic, are we not just calling other openstack APIs?16:56
gfidentetrown, you mean there is some logic which is always good to have?16:56
trownnot just good, but you will totally fail without it... take the controversial `introspection bulk` command16:57
trownwithout the state manipulation logic, that command will fail 100% of the time, because nodes start out in the wrong state for inspection16:57
gfidenteI see, I was talking about the overcloud deployment logic16:57
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trownah, that is a different can of worms I guess16:58
gfidentefor example, setting parameters based on nodes scaling, or storage type of choice16:58
trownthere should at least be a `do deploy with just the environments I gave you and nothing else` option16:58
gfidenteyeah that's what I meant too16:59
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jaosoriorHas anybody seen these erros pop up? http://paste.openstack.org/show/478468/17:05
tzumainngfidente, the updated tripleo-common business logic involves a) uploading a bunch of heat files to swift and b) various methods to manipulate those heat files - the resource registry, parameters, etc17:05
tzumainngfidente, so afaik, you should still be able to do your own thing there17:05
gfidenteI'm worried about heat files manipulation, a lot17:08
gfidenteit didn't work in the past17:08
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gfidentedidn't we agree on providing a set of heat templates selectable by users?17:10
gfidente(heat environments)17:10
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shardygfidente: AIUI the intention is not to manipulate any templates17:14
shardyonly to manage combining various environment files17:14
gfidenteshardy, yeah that was my understanding as well17:14
gfidenteshardy, even merging can be problematic if done in the incorrect order17:16
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gfidentetzumainn, so if I can give a vote, it's a no-no on pretty much any manipulation unless it is completely skippable17:17
tzumainngfidente, it is completely skippable17:17
tzumainngfidente, the gui is going to use a workflow of a) uploading heat files, b) manipulation, c) deploy17:17
tzumainnyou can just skip b) directly17:17
tzumainni.e., edit the heat files yourself, go to a), and then c)17:18
gfidenteack so for simple deployments it stays easy, but we can get to customize the params as needed without interferences if needed17:18
tzumainngfidente, shardy, and yeah, no manipulation of the actual templates17:18
shardytzumainn: I think it's a terminology thing, by manipulation you mean introspect, prompt for parameters, combine environment files right?17:18
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tzumainnshardy, yeah, exactly17:19
shardytzumainn: cool, thanks for clarifying17:19
shardytzumainn: does the API have a way to only do (b)?17:20
shardyI can imagine that would be useful for debugging and development17:20
gfidenteyeah sorry I did not mean to bring up confusion17:20
* shardy should review the API spec, sorry17:20
gfidentetzumainn, jistr just pointed me https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242439/6 as well17:23
gfidentetzumainn, as of today I think we need storage-environment.yaml as well17:26
openstackgerritTzu-Mainn Chen proposed openstack/tripleo-common: TripleO API v1  https://review.openstack.org/24373717:26
gfidentewill comment on the submission17:26
jaygfabbione: I agree with trying to do it once rather than shoving something in, but upstream will get broken as soon as mitaka becomes master (which I would expect is not terribly far off), which is why I was proposing that for keystone, we make it conditional, and I don't think it affects any ordering constraints, as horizon is currently the only other service in httpd17:27
openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: MidoNet heat templates  https://review.openstack.org/23899817:28
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/instack-undercloud: Add Puppet 4.x lint checks  https://review.openstack.org/24050517:36
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fabbionejayg: well... yes it  does affects constraints17:40
fabbionejayg: right now everything start after keystone17:40
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fabbionejayg: so keystone become httpd, you will need everything to depends on httpd17:40
fabbionejayg: and then you get the catch 22 on configuring stuff, vs starting httpd and configuring internal things17:41
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fabbionejayg: for example, you install all packages, then start httpd, wsgi can run stuff before you added users to keystone17:41
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fabbionejayg: so we need to figure out the right ordering of installing things, configuring them in httpd, configure the services .conf files etc.17:41
fabbionei have the bad feeling that whoever decided to move to wsgi didn't think this through17:42
fabbionebut we will see17:42
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fabbionealso the fact that not all services are moving at once, is going to make it very interesting for start/stop ordering17:42
fabbionebut maybe we can relax that a bit17:42
fabbioneright now we have bigger fishes to fry17:43
jaygfabbione: yeah, I am not sure that HA was considered at all, though I only heard of this recently myself17:43
fabbionejayg: start from another point of view17:43
fabbioneHA is _never_ considered17:43
fabbionenow17:43
fabbionethat is because in theory services don't need rabbit or galera to start17:44
fabbionein practice that doesn't work17:44
fabbionethat's we have those constraints in place17:44
fabbionesome daemons are just broken and behave so differently17:44
jaygsure, I recall the issues17:44
fabbioneruntime reconnections they are all pretty much ok17:44
fabbionestart/stop.... it's flip a coin17:45
fabbioneyeah exactly17:45
fabbioneone  option that was suggested, because we can actually do it with pacemkaer, is to have separate httpd isntances per service17:45
fabbioneso one httpd for horizon17:45
fabbioneone for keystone17:45
fabbioneetc.17:45
fabbioneafterall all those services listens on different ports17:45
fabbionewe could configure them as vhosts17:46
jaygwould that be via the apache RA, or something else?17:46
fabbioneyes17:46
fabbioneapache RA17:46
fabbioneat least afair it can do that17:46
fabbionewe will need to investigate17:46
fabbionegoing to grab dinner17:46
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jaygthat was my original though, since we never even brought that in for horizon as documented17:46
jaygok, goodnight17:46
fabbioneit's not something we can solve tonight17:46
fabbioneyeah you wish i'd disappear... have a meeting in 1h :)17:47
fabbionejust need some dinner ;)17:47
jaygsure, I just thought it would be more likely to be solved if I brought it up again  :)  it is a task for our sprint to move keystone under wsgi17:47
jayghaha, ok, feel free to ping me later for more if you want then :)17:47
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derekhA quick one for people https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243506/17:54
derekhif possible can I get some eyes on it, I think its the only reason our periodic job isn't passing17:54
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slaglei love it when we ass the repositories17:56
openstackgerritJames Slagle proposed openstack/tripleo-common: Don't install git-hg  https://review.openstack.org/24350617:58
jaygnow with no 'ass'!17:59
slaglei know. it's not quite as good as it was17:59
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openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Add Docker job to tripleo CI  https://review.openstack.org/23821218:04
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openstackgerritMike Burns proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: honor the rabbit user and password provided  https://review.openstack.org/24375418:08
openstackgerritVinay Rao proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: This change makes the following parameters user configurable:  https://review.openstack.org/23076418:08
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openstackgerritSteven Hardy proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Set STABLE_BRANCH based on ZUUL_BRANCH  https://review.openstack.org/24375518:09
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openstackgerritDan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Nova-libvirt needs to bind to /sys/fs/cgroup  https://review.openstack.org/24136918:21
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openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Change the Atomic image name so it's less specific  https://review.openstack.org/24376418:30
openstackgerritRyan Hallisey proposed openstack/tripleo-common: Deploy Docker compute role with tripleo.sh  https://review.openstack.org/23285318:31
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openstackgerritVinay Rao proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: This change makes the following parameters user configurable:  https://review.openstack.org/23076419:09
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openstackgerritRyan Hefner proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable Manila integration  https://review.openstack.org/18813719:17
openstackgerritRyan Hefner proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add NetApp integration to Manila  https://review.openstack.org/18813819:17
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openstackgerritTzu-Mainn Chen proposed openstack/tripleo-common: TripleO API v1  https://review.openstack.org/24373719:23
openstackgerritVinay Rao proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: This change makes the following parameters user configurable:  https://review.openstack.org/23076419:25
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openstackgerritVinay Rao proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: This change makes the following parameters user configurable:  https://review.openstack.org/23076419:48
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Change the Atomic image name so it's less specific  https://review.openstack.org/24376420:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-common: Deploy Docker compute role with tripleo.sh  https://review.openstack.org/23285321:00
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/151090122:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1510901 in tripleo "seed's nova-compute service start fail" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cameron.C (cameron-c)22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/151171522:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1511715 in diskimage-builder "Images using draycut should have the option to pass drivers to include in build" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger)22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/151350822:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1513508 in diskimage-builder "Ironic IPA does not work when Swift is using https" [Undecided,New]22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/150590022:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505900 in diskimage-builder "Failed to create 'wily' release with DIB_RELEASE" [Undecided,New]22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/150426322:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/150914822:00
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504263 in tripleo "os-net-config mapping by MAC fails if trying to map in alternate order" [Undecided,Triaged]22:00
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1509148 in tripleo "keystone initialize fails if undercloud can't reach overcloud public vip" [Undecided,New]22:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Allow customization of the Ceph pool names  https://review.openstack.org/21266423:22
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