Friday, 2013-11-15

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jog0lifeless: btw once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51735/ is approved00:49
jog0we can start making devtest use ephemeral00:49
jog0for everything00:49
jog0we won't preserve it just yet, but can that will be soon after00:50
lifelesscool00:50
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jog0lifeless: https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-incubator has no link to devtest in the readme00:54
jog0http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-incubator/devtest.html00:54
pleia2jog0: line 19500:56
pleia2oh, github doesn't have line numbers in rst files, anyway, it is there under "Deploying"00:56
pleia2"A related document is the instructions for doing Dev/Test of TripleO"00:57
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jog0pleia2: so it is, it was hiding from me00:58
jog0searching for 'devest' failed00:58
pleia2jog0: try https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-incubator/tree/README.md :D00:59
pleia2(some day I'll get people to stop using github for openstack)00:59
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jog0pleia2: but then its not rendered md01:01
pleia2but without rendered md you can find what you're looking for!01:01
jog0pleia2: I like the pretty formats01:01
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lifelessincubator README should be made rst and included in http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-incubator/03:11
lifelessjog0: pleia2: ^03:11
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GheRiveromorning all07:38
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rushiagrQuestion -- From where is the code for overcloud compute (and related services) taken from? Is it from distro packages or we create these services off of source code?07:58
rpodolyakamorning07:58
rpodolyakarushiagr: elements of tripleo-image-elements repo install services from git repos07:59
GheRiverorushiagr: it cames from source coe08:00
rushiagrI am asking from a continuous delivery point of view.. Can we currently detect change in the source repo and update the related service on the overcloud right now?08:00
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rpodolyakarushiagr: not right now, but CD is a goal of TripleO08:00
rushiagrrpodolyaka: GheRivero: So for an ubuntu image, are ubuntu packages created out of source and added to the disk image?08:01
rpodolyakarushiagr: so yes, eventually, we want to detect changes, find out what images we need to update, build new images, test them and upgrade existing nodes using new images08:01
rpodolyakarushiagr:  are you talking about openstack packages for ubuntu?08:01
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rpodolyakarushiagr: we don't create openstack packages08:02
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lifelesswe create openstack images08:02
rpodolyakarushiagr: but we do use ubuntu packages like mysql, rabbitmq, etc08:02
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rushiagrrpodolyaka: yes, I meant openstack packages08:03
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rpodolyakarushiagr: we don't, but we could, if we wanted08:04
rpodolyakarushiagr: the cool thing about tripleo is that you can use just some parts of it and customize everything else almost at every step of deployement08:06
rpodolyakarushiagr: e.g. I think, James was talking about using of existing puppet modules to install software to images we build at the last meeting08:06
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rushiagrrpodolyaka: oh. I missed the last meeting :(08:15
rushiagrrpodolyaka: so we run the services directly from source. Similar to how we do for a devstack openstack setup08:16
rushiagrI am not completely sure how the services are started etc, but it should be fairly straightforward I am supposing08:16
rpodolyakarushiagr: by default, yes. We you can specify what branch/commit/tag of each service to checkout before it's installed08:16
rpodolyakas/we//08:16
rushiagrrpodolyaka: OK. Thanks. That helps08:17
rpodolyakarushiagr: we use systemd/upstart to control services08:17
rushiagrrpodolyaka: OK. I will definitely look into them now08:18
rpodolyakahttps://github.com/openstack/tripleo-image-elements/blob/master/elements/nova-api/install.d/80-nova-api08:18
rpodolyakae.g.08:18
rpodolyakaos-svc-daemon is a helper script to configure systemd/upstart08:19
rpodolyakaso nova-api element provide script called 80-nova-api which is in install.d dir08:19
rpodolyakawhen diskimage-builder builds a disk image, it runs this script08:20
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rpodolyakaand nova-api is installed to the target image08:20
rpodolyaka(but this particular element just adds nova to upstart/systemd)08:21
rpodolyakanova element clones the git repo, installs nova from source and provides config files08:22
rpodolyakaelements are meant to be small and target, so they can be mixed and reused08:23
rpodolyakae.g. nova element is used for building both compute and control nodes images08:23
rpodolyakabut nova-api is used only for control node image08:24
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openstackgerritRoman Podoliaka proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Fix the stale URL of devtest doc in boot-stack  https://review.openstack.org/5654108:40
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Fix config of ML2 plugin in neutron element  https://review.openstack.org/5637508:42
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rushiagrrpodolyaka: sorry, I went out for lunch only to discover my network disconnected09:41
rushiagrreading now09:41
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rushiagrrpodolyaka: now I completely understand the tripleo image elements, thanks to you :)09:47
rpodolyakanp :)09:47
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openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add element to install memcached  https://review.openstack.org/5656109:55
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Update swift element to install from source  https://review.openstack.org/5600609:55
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use swift as a backend to glance  https://review.openstack.org/5600709:55
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add metadata to configure swift  https://review.openstack.org/5601209:55
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Use swift to back glance in the overcloud  https://review.openstack.org/5601109:55
openstackgerritRoman Podoliaka proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use openstack git repos when possible  https://review.openstack.org/5656209:55
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matelHi all.09:57
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matelI would like to get started with tripleo, and I need some help.09:57
matelAs I understand, the first step would be to build an all-in one OS with diskimage builder, is that right?09:57
rpodolyakamatel: I would recommend to start from http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-incubator/devtest.html09:58
matelAh, thanks.09:58
matelIs here anyone from UK timezone?09:59
rpodolyakamatel: this is a guide to deploy a test environment consisting of two nodes (control/network + compute)10:00
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Fix the stale URL of devtest doc in boot-stack  https://review.openstack.org/5654110:00
rpodolyakayep, we've got people from different parts of Europe here too10:01
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matelrpodolyaka: cool, thanks, just wanted to know, if I could get help later today after reading the docs.10:02
matelrpodolyaka: I would like to look at how to set up XenServer or xenserver-core nodes with tripleo.10:03
rpodolyakamatel: sure, feel free to ask for help here!10:03
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rpodolyakamatel: not sure anyone's tried this yet, but you could be the one to contribute the corresponding elements ;)10:04
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matelsure.10:07
lifelessit's going to be a little mind bending I think10:08
lifelessbut we'll figure it out10:08
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lifelessfirst thing is to get familiar enough with the setup that you're able to reason about how to change things10:09
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lifelessderekh: so +1 on dan's point - we should fix things upstream as much as possible.10:12
lifelessderekh: the PTLs seem to have consensus on having production defaults10:12
lifelessderekh: so shouldn't see much pushback10:12
lifelessderekh: if we need to land something temporarily and fix it up later thats fine with me10:13
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derekhlifeless: makes sense, if your talking about dans comment on using the upstream nova/api-paste.ini10:31
lifelessyes10:31
lifelessbut also as a general principle :)10:31
derekhok10:31
lifelessunconditional changes we make to openstack-* things are generally non-production defaults and as such something to fix in that project.10:32
derekhyup, so should we in general start grabbing upstream config file and edit for tripleo specific stuff?10:34
derekhif taken to the extreem could remove our use of o-a-c10:35
lifelesshow would it do that?10:35
lifelessso we already do - in that the default config file is represented by the empty string.10:35
lifeless /everything/ in the oac template for nova.conf is a logical edit vs the default config file.10:35
derekhso instead of keeping a template of nova.conf, we could take a copy of the upstream on and edit it,10:36
derekhno template10:36
lifelessno10:36
lifelessthat approach is hard to reason about10:36
lifelesschef and puppet have both demonstrated the immense value in clarity, understandability and reliability of asserting a particular config file contents rather than an edit based approach.10:36
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lifelessI say no- I mean 'I don't think so, but of course it's open to debate' :)10:38
lifelesstis late10:38
derekhok, I would just be worried our copy of various config file would end up stale10:38
lifelessderekh: have you looked at our nova.conf file ?10:38
derekhI think its worth considering using augeas (or any orther tool) to edit upstream config10:39
lifelesswe have a few constants in there that we should fix in nova10:39
matelrpodolyaka: what do you guys use as a development platform? raring?10:39
lifelesslog_config10:39
lifelessauth_strategy10:39
lifelessand suchlike10:40
lifelessbut the rest is already only the things we'd be editing10:40
rpodolyakamatel: I'm using raring, but fedora is a popular choice too10:40
matelta10:40
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lifelessderekh: so I don't understand what augeas would do better10:41
lifelessderekh: the 'upstream config file' for nova is ''10:41
derekhlifeless: ok, point taken10:42
derekhlifeless: there are other config file that have defaults that need to be edited so I suppose both approaches need to be considered10:43
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lifelessderekh: except, that everyone I know has consolidated on asserting rather than editing10:45
lifelessderekh: as being more maintainable10:45
lifelessderekh: If this is important to you, can I suggest putting some pros/cons in an etherpad, and mail the list? We can all dogpile in then and get a balanced view on it.10:46
derekhlifeless: I don't feel very strongly on it ( you brought it up and I just ran with the conversation :-) ) but if you want we can do that anyways just to get a feel for people views10:48
lifelessderekh: I think it's a distraction right now; I'm happy to leave sleeping dogs lyin10:49
derekhlifeless: okie sounds good to me10:49
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openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Update swift element to install from source  https://review.openstack.org/5600610:52
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use swift as a backend to glance  https://review.openstack.org/5600710:52
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add element to install memcached  https://review.openstack.org/5656110:52
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rpodolyakahmm, this is weird. in the latest raring image I have /etc/systemd/system dir11:02
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rpodolyaka+ '[' -d /etc/systemd/system ']'11:03
rpodolyaka+ systemctl enable memcached.service11:03
rpodolyaka/tmp/in_target.d/install.d/74-memcachd: line 8: systemctl: command not found11:03
lifelesswaaaat11:04
lifelessok, so we we need to look for systemctl instead?11:04
rpodolyakagoing to double check11:05
lifelessand/or report a bug to Ubuntu11:05
lifelesscause thats plain weird11:05
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openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use swift as a backend to glance  https://review.openstack.org/5600711:08
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rpodolyakarpodolyaka@rpodolyaka-pc:~/src/ubuntu$ tree /etc/systemd/11:14
rpodolyaka/etc/systemd/11:14
rpodolyaka└── system11:14
rpodolyaka    └── multi-user.target.wants11:14
rpodolyaka        └── rsyslog.service -> /lib/systemd/system/rsyslog.service11:14
rpodolyakathe latest raring image11:14
lifelessgnnannnnannnnanar11:15
lifelessraring is released11:15
lifelesshtf11:15
rpodolyakararing-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.gz11:16
rpodolyakaI don't know why they update it so often11:16
lifelessnew releases of any of the components11:16
rpodolyakanot only security fixes, I mean11:16
lifelesssecurity fixes, backports11:16
lifelesskernel is a big chunk11:16
lifelessrpodolyaka: discussing this on #ubuntu-devel now11:18
lifeless00:16 < ogra_> lifeless, looks like that came in with the enablement of syslog from systemd11:18
rdopieralskisystemd \o/11:18
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lifelessrpodolyaka: see xnox's suggestion I think11:30
lifelessrpodolyaka: I'm inclined to wrap this up in a helper script in the base element11:31
lifelessrpodolyaka: that you run and returns upstart/systemd/sysv11:31
rpodolyakalifeless: you mean "rpm -Q or dpkg -S" one?11:31
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rpodolyakalifeless: or the next one with paths?11:32
lifeless00:27 < xnox> lifeless: ubuntu one will have /sbin/initctl, and fedora one will have /usr/bin/systemctl, on11:32
lifeless              debian if there is no /sbin/initctl and there are /sbin/init and /sbin/systemd you can boot11:32
lifeless              "debian" with either sysv or systemd.11:32
rpodolyakagot it11:32
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rpodolyakacool, will take a look today11:32
rpodolyakarpodolyaka@rpodolyaka-pc:~/src/tripleo/tripleo-image-elements$ grep "/etc/systemd" elements/ -R11:33
rpodolyakaelements/memcached/install.d/74-memcachd:if [ -d /etc/systemd/system ]; then11:33
rpodolyakaelements/os-svc-install/bin/os-svc-daemon:elif [ -d /etc/systemd/system ]; then11:33
rpodolyakaelements/apache2/post-install.d/15-apache2:if [ -d /etc/systemd/system ]; then11:33
rpodolyakaelements/qpidd/install.d/20-qpidd:  cat > /etc/systemd/system/qpidd.service << eof11:33
rpodolyakaonly 3 tests11:33
rpodolyakathat's good :)11:33
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openstackgerritDan Prince proposed a change to openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Add TOCI_OVERCLOUD_ALL_IN_ONE option.  https://review.openstack.org/5646911:38
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openstackgerritJames Slagle proposed a change to openstack/tuskar: Add missing ConfigNotFound exception.  https://review.openstack.org/5659912:15
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openstackgerritJames Slagle proposed a change to openstack/tuskar: Add missing ConfigNotFound exception.  https://review.openstack.org/5659912:18
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use openstack git repos when possible  https://review.openstack.org/5656212:23
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tuskar: Add missing ConfigNotFound exception.  https://review.openstack.org/5659912:36
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openstackgerritPetr Blaho proposed a change to openstack/python-tuskarclient: [WIP] Adds help for subcommands  https://review.openstack.org/5625713:35
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openstackgerritRoman Podoliaka proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Set INIT_SYSTEM variable in base element  https://review.openstack.org/5661013:54
rpodolyakaderekh: ^13:55
rpodolyakaI tested this on ubuntu+upstart, centos+upstart, fedora+systemd, debian+sysv13:56
rpodolyakaand tried to modify your memcached element to test INIT_SYSTEM variable instead - it seems to work fine now13:57
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rpodolyakaboth on ubuntu raring images and fedora ones13:57
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markmclucasagomes, discussion about Pecan/WSME and Ironic/TripleO on #openstack-meeting14:04
lucasagomesmarkmc, cheers lemme check14:04
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tzumainnrpodolyaka, ping14:14
rpodolyakatzumainn: pong14:14
tzumainnrpodolyaka, thanks for the review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56461/14:14
tzumainnhowever, I don't really understand one thing14:14
tzumainnif we have to support non-fk enabled databases for development, then how can I change the code to use on delete cascades?14:15
tzumainnrpodolyaka, I might be misunderstanding, but fks are a requirement for that, right?14:16
rpodolyakatzumainn: my point was more like 'we don't support non-fk enabled databases'14:16
rpodolyakacurrently, we have FKs disabled for sqlite14:16
rpodolyakabut we should enable them14:16
tzumainnrpodolyaka, right now, the tuskar install instructions result in using sqlite14:17
tzumainnI'm not sure my patch should also target a change in that. . . ?14:17
rpodolyakait could be a separate change14:17
tzumainnrpodolyaka, I'm primarily on the tuskar-ui team, so I'd have to talk to the api folks about that - in the meantime, it seems to me that should be a separate discussion14:18
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rpodolyakaright, but we use mysql in tuskar image element at the same time14:18
rpodolyakasure14:18
rpodolyakathat's only my point of view14:18
rpodolyakaothers may disagree :)14:18
tzumainnrpodolyaka, would it make more sense to allow this patch forward (if you think the rest of it is okay), and start a separate discussion?14:19
tzumainnthere are other places in api.py where code could be optimized for foreign keys14:19
rpodolyakaI'm cool with that14:19
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tzumainnrpodolyaka, thanks!14:20
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derekhrpodolyaka: thanks, added a comment/question14:21
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rpodolyakaderekh: I think, it's actually a very good point. I totally forgot about o-r-c :(14:26
derekhrpodolyaka: cool14:27
rpodolyakaderekh: maybe we should go for both script and variable?14:27
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derekhworks for me, but make the variable use the script14:28
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rpodolyakaderekh: sure, that's what I meant14:28
rpodolyaka:)14:28
derekhrpodolyaka: ok14:29
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NobodyCamgood morning TripleO, TGIF15:06
rpodolyakamorning. indeed ;)15:06
NobodyCam:)15:06
openstackgerritRoman Podoliaka proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Provide a way of determining init system used  https://review.openstack.org/5661015:13
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Ngmordred: thanks for approving the laptop. I think this might be the furthest the order has ever gotten ;)15:49
NobodyCamwow Ng getting a new laptop?15:50
NgNobodyCam: s/new//15:50
NobodyCamlol omg15:50
Ngthis will be my first15:50
NobodyCamlike a year in15:50
NobodyCamwhat model you getting?15:51
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NgNobodyCam: 15" retina macbook ;D15:56
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NobodyCamNg: Nice :), I've moved back to my 13" air15:57
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dkehnNg: have you been involved in the upgrade issue at all?15:59
Ngdkehn: upgrade issue?15:59
dkehnNg: https://trello.com/c/M4lQQmb8/40-images-move-persistent-state-locations-to-mnt-state-same-path-unconditionally-mnt-always-exists16:00
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dkehnNg: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-image-updates16:00
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openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Switch to the upstream version of api-paste.ini  https://review.openstack.org/5624616:01
Ngdkehn: so, no, but what's up?16:02
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dkehnNg: just wondering the mechanism that we were thinking of performing the upgrade - modifications to nova rebuild, heat, etc........16:03
Ngdkehn: we're actually looking at two mechanisms - one that uses nova rebuild and one that is driven by heat and doesn't reboot the instance16:04
dkehnNg: ok, so basically, we setting up a test run, run the devtest to set everything up, then build a new image and modify one or both, and try it from the undercloud on the overclouds, sound sane or am I off track16:06
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Ngdkehn: that sounds broadly right. Right now it won't work at all, but it's the current MVP, so we should get it knocked out soon :)16:09
dkehnNg: thanks, just wanted to validate my thinking16:09
dkehnNg: or somehting close to it16:10
mordredNg: fingers crossed16:11
derekhAnybody else wanna review this patch from rpodolyaka https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56610/  so I can fix my dependent patch before I clock off :-)16:11
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tuskar: Fix rack associations when resource_class is deleted  https://review.openstack.org/5646116:12
Ngderekh: sure16:13
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Ngderekh: done16:23
derekhNg: cool thanks16:23
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/diskimage-builder: Provide a way of determining init system used  https://review.openstack.org/5661016:24
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openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Update swift element to install from source  https://review.openstack.org/5600616:24
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use swift as a backend to glance  https://review.openstack.org/5600716:24
openstackgerritDerek Higgins proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add element to install memcached  https://review.openstack.org/5656116:24
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openstackgerritRoman Podoliaka proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use dib helper script to determine init system  https://review.openstack.org/5664316:36
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openstackgerritJenkins proposed a change to openstack/os-collect-config: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/5585716:50
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openstackgerritTzu-Mainn Chen proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Fix rack overview page when resource class is None  https://review.openstack.org/5665916:57
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openstackgerritJames Slagle proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add element to install memcached  https://review.openstack.org/5656117:04
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openstackgerritChris Jones proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Make sorting of ramdisk init elements explicit.  https://review.openstack.org/5666617:19
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dprinceI just recreated a new seed VM and it failed to nova db migrate.17:21
dprinceI think this will fix it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56667/17:22
dprinceanybody else recreate their seed in the last hour or two and hit that?17:22
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derekhdprince: looks like toci was hitting it17:26
derekhNov 15 16:58:27 localhost os-collect-config[1228]: 2013-11-15 16:58:27,182.182 5309 CRITICAL nova [-] invalid version number '0.7.3.dev'17:26
* Ng dinners, back later17:26
GheRiverodprince: http://logs.openstack.org/22/56522/3/check/gate-ironic-python26/7a8e7d3/console.html jenkisn with an ironic patch is also hitting it17:26
dprincederekh: Lots of ways to fix this. You can just comment out the code in migration.py (in nova)17:27
dprincederekh: that worked for me locally. In Nova we'll see what they say about my proposed fix.17:28
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dprincederekh: another option is to make the version comparison more robust... but that seemed like a waste of effort. Especially since 0.8 is released now anyway (albiet with an incorrect version number)17:29
devanandayea what's up with that error?17:33
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dkehndprince: yes, I'm hitting it as well18:50
dprincedkehn: 0.8.2 just landed. if you respin it all should be well I think18:51
dkehndprince: k, will try, thx18:51
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dkehndprince: it appears to be the fix19:40
dprincedkehn: yep. FOr me too19:40
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openstackgerritJames Slagle proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Add ability to apply elements to current system.  https://review.openstack.org/5607420:22
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Use dib helper script to determine init system  https://review.openstack.org/5664321:05
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