Tuesday, 2016-07-12

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openstackgerritYanyan Hu proposed openstack/senlin: Fix lb healthmonitor delay/timeout unit  https://review.openstack.org/34066103:22
openstackgerritYanyan Hu proposed openstack/senlin: Fix lb healthmonitor delay/timeout unit  https://review.openstack.org/34066103:37
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/senlin-dashboard: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/34075007:37
openstackgerritYanyan Hu proposed openstack/senlin: Fix delete API of profile/policy/receiver resources  https://review.openstack.org/34078108:45
openstackgerritYanyan Hu proposed openstack/senlin: Fix delete API of profile/policy/receiver resources  https://review.openstack.org/34078109:25
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openstackgerritPanFengyun proposed openstack/python-senlinclient: Prints  '-' instead of 'None' when data is None  https://review.openstack.org/34010812:16
openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/senlin: Cleanup i18n marker functions to match Oslo docs  https://review.openstack.org/34053412:37
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yanyanhuhi, Qiming, online?12:58
yanyanhumy network at home is really unstable12:59
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yanyanhuhi, guys, will start meeting in a minute13:01
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lixinhui_elynn is both core of senlin and heat, I am still thinking if we can share something about different user exprience14:01
lixinhui_about the two auto-scaling14:01
yanyanhuwe can have a try anyway :)14:01
yanyanhuif user really want to listen, just make a good presentation for them14:02
Qiminglixinhui, still online?14:02
elynnlixinhui_, I think that is part of that topic.14:02
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lixinhui_great elynn, I will sent vmware se to listen that topic14:03
yanyanhuif so, maybe we can move Qiming's name from topic 3 to topic 4 and add a colleague of xinhui to topic3 who is working on autoscaling?14:03
lixinhui_I think your participation to cluster-do is very important14:03
elynnNone of them are perfect, but they both have what they are good at. lixinhui_14:03
Qimingwe should really be careful about the comparison topic14:04
Qimingit will be unfair anyway14:04
elynnQiming, you mean?14:04
Qimingwe are comparing some heat resource types to senlin, which is a service14:04
Qimingwe cannot say that the related resource types (resource group, autoscalinggroup ...) are to be replaced by senlin resources in heat14:06
Qimingbecause that will never happen, heat will never deprecate their resource types14:06
Qimingif there are bugs to fix, heat team will do them anyway14:07
yanyanhumaybe just teach user more about senlin cluster to help them better understand it? especially about some advanced feature like standby nodes?14:07
Qimingsenlin, on the other hand, is a SERVICE for managing resource pools (clusters)14:08
elynnyes, I'm aware of that, in this topic ,I won't suggest users to migrate their templates14:08
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Qimingthe best thing we can do in this talk is to try to persuade users to use senlin for resource pool management14:09
Qimingit is a pure promotion of senlin itself14:09
elynnJust show some cases that senlin can do better if they really need that feature, like scale to standby nodes14:09
Qimingand if we are doing such a promotion, we can talk about some useful use cases14:09
Qimingthere is no need to compare to heat14:10
Qimingor heat resource type14:10
Qimingthat comparison seems pointless to me14:10
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yanyanhuhi, guys, I will leave, elynn, will talk with you and Qiming tomorrow morning to think more about topic314:12
Qimingbye, yanyanhu14:12
yanyanhubye, take good care of you baby :)14:12
yanyanhuhave a good night14:12
elynnokay, so you would like to talk it in pure senlin topic... that indeed make sense...14:12
elynnbye yanyanhu14:13
lixinhui_bye yanyanhu14:13
Qimingelynn, how much time do we have to revise it?14:13
Qimingor ... we can leave the proposal as is ...14:14
elynn13 is the deadline14:14
elynnWe can have a discussion tomorrow and see if we still need this one.14:14
Qimingjust improve the wording of the final presentation14:14
lixinhui_I think we need, elynn. Just move Qiming out.14:15
Qimingplease think about it from the audience's perspective14:15
lixinhui_to stand for different topics14:15
Qimingwhat are the take aways for them?14:15
elynnQiming, you are right, the wording are incline to senlin too much. But for my poor English... Not sure I can express my point correctly in it. I will try to revise it.14:16
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Qimingokay, heat is not good at this and that, ... so we are expecting them to rework their templates to use senlin?14:17
Qimingthe chance for an existing user to migrate their template is pretty small14:17
Qimingso ... the target users for us will be new users14:18
elynnOr the users needed more features?14:18
Qimingfor them, a comparison is not that interesting either, they would prefer to spend time learn what senlin can do and what it cannot do14:19
Qimingwhat are the use cases? what problems are you solving for the users? how are you solving them?14:20
elynnSo you mean we totally don't mention heat ASG in this topic?14:21
Qimingit will be a great topic if we think from a user's perspective rather from the viewpoint of a person who knows both heat and senlin very well, :)14:21
Qimingif you are talk about autoscaling use case, you may and may not need such a comparison14:21
Qimingif you are talking about other use cases, maybe you don't need to mention heat at all14:22
elynnSince now I only think of one user cases, scaling to standby nodes. But only this one doesn't now worth a presentation.14:22
elynnAnd it's easy to implement in senlin, at least I can finish it before summit.14:22
Qimingeven if you want to mention it, you will most likely tell users: if you want to use senlin service from Heat, you can do it now, because senlin resource types are there14:22
elynnFor other cases, you already have other topic to discuss it.14:23
Qimingso the key message you want to deliver is 'rapid scaling'?14:24
Qimingif you want to enrich your talking points ... how about generalizing it to "advanced autoscaing"?14:25
elynnThat is the use case that I can deliver in this topic, the rest of the time I can show the users how would they experience when they use heat ASG and senlin cluster14:26
lixinhui_Qiming, elynn14:26
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lixinhui_I think revision to high level topic is hard14:26
Qimingwe never talked about cross-region scaling, cross-az scaling, we never talked about the specifics of deletion policy14:26
lixinhui_in such short time14:26
Qimingthen you can highlight one or two of the features you won't have from other services14:27
lixinhui_how difficult to leave it now status14:27
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lixinhui_then tune the content based on the whole status of discussion14:28
Qimingdon't get your points, lixinhui_14:29
Qimingbut I have to leave14:29
Qimingelynn, please think about ti14:29
elynnCan I have a phone call with you guys tomorrow? I want to hear your opinions and see how  to revise this topic14:29
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QimingI may have to drive to quite some places tomorrow ...14:30
Qimingpretty busy a day in car ...14:30
lixinhui_could you change the name now?14:30
Qimingwill catch up with you all later14:30
elynnWhen are you available tomorrow?14:30
lixinhui_I need keep revising the topic14:30
Qimingthe window close at July 14 at 6:59am UTC14:31
elynnQiming, ttyl14:31
lixinhui_ttyl, elynn, Qiming14:33
elynnlixinhui_ thanks, I need some guide from you expert, will contact you  tomorrow :)14:33
elynnsee you all :)14:33
lixinhui_Sure, anything I can help just let me know :)14:34
lixinhui_see you14:34
zzxwill_See you, and thanks.14:34
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openstackgerritJoe D'Andrea proposed openstack/senlin: Minor typo fixes and grammar adjustments  https://review.openstack.org/34101215:40
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