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| IvanBerezovskiy | mattf, ping | 08:10 |
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| aignatov | tmckay: SergeyLukjanov , yes, I wanted to start working on unit tests for savanna-client | 09:54 |
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| mattf | IvanBerezovskiy, pong | 12:04 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | mattf, hi. I wanted to ask about all duplications :) | 12:06 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | mattf, if you'll clean up them, it's ok | 12:06 |
| mattf | ok. there are a few more in review atm. so it's best to clean up after. | 12:13 |
| mattf | aignatov, SergeyLukjanov, i'm gonna need your +2 swords on the java & ssh image element reviews | 12:14 |
| aignatov | mattf, it's on my queue | 12:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I'm on it | 12:16 |
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| mattf | thanks guys | 12:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, my +2 on both of them | 12:20 |
| mattf | fyi, i'm going to miss all or most of the meeting today for a pt appt | 12:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, "pt appt"? | 12:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, appt == application? | 12:23 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, appt == appointment, pt = physical therapy -- my knee | 12:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, oh, good luck | 12:29 |
| mattf | thx | 12:30 |
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| tmckay | aignatov_, okay, I was doing forensics on something completely unrelated :) I was going to read up on tempest... And also, review the roadmap for EDP. We should talk about unit tests, maybe at the meeting in a few hours | 16:03 |
| * tmckay runs for a snack | 16:03 | |
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| alcabrera | Good morning! :) | 16:20 |
| alcabrera | I'm looking for someone who might be interested in mentoring for GSoC 2014: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2014 | 16:21 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/savanna: [IDH] Fixed cluster start without jobtracker service https://review.openstack.org/72817 | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/savanna: Switch over to oslosphinx https://review.openstack.org/73275 | 16:24 |
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| alcabrera | boris-42_: hey! I noticed you listed yourself as a potential mentor for the Rally project. Do you know who is mentoring for Savannah? | 16:36 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | team meeting begins | 18:01 |
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| boris-42_ | alcabrera hi | 18:12 |
| boris-42_ | alcabrera around? | 18:13 |
| alcabrera | boris-42_: hey! | 18:13 |
| alcabrera | :) | 18:13 |
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| boris-42_ | alcabrera Idk actually probably SergeyLukjanov knows | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm here | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alcabrera, hey, what's up? | 18:16 |
| boris-42_ | alcabrera who is the mentor For Savana? | 18:16 |
| boris-42_ | SergeyLukjanov *** ^ | 18:16 |
| boris-42_ | savanna* | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alcabrera, which kind of mentor are you looking for? | 18:16 |
| boris-42_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2014#Mentors | 18:16 |
| boris-42_ | SergeyLukjanov ^ | 18:16 |
| boris-42_ | SergeyLukjanov there is in list of projects Savanna Project | 18:17 |
| alcabrera | thanks for looking into this, boris-42_, SergeyLukjanov! | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | boris-42_, heh, I don't how added savanna to the list | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let me think how can mentor | 18:17 |
| alcabrera | there's one student who is already very interested in working with savanna as their gsoc project. | 18:18 |
| alcabrera | It might be how savanna ended up on the list. :) | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alcabrera, I think we can add me to the list as the Savanna PTL and I'll help to find the right person to mentor | 18:19 |
| alcabrera | SergeyLukjanov: thank you very much! I'll go ahead with that. | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alcabrera, thx | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | could anyone help me to make a list of valid options? | 19:09 |
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| alazarev | I can help | 19:14 |
| alazarev | How do you plan to do that? | 19:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, please take all options from the etherpad | 19:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and remove from the list options that we're agreed to remove | 19:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | you can add the list to the end of this etherpad | 19:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, thx | 19:16 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I created the list | 19:32 |
| alazarev | cleared | 19:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, thx | 19:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev and could you please add a list of good options one by line | 19:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops, I don't want :( | 19:34 |
| * SergeyLukjanov needs more volunteers, please | 19:34 | |
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| witlessb | SergeyLukjanov: what do you need help with? | 19:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Mescheryakov proposed a change to openstack/savanna: [DO NOT MERGE] Intial Agent remote implementation https://review.openstack.org/71015 | 19:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | witlessb, ooops, missed your message, thx, already done ;) | 20:07 |
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| witlessb | SergeyLukjanov: oh, snap :) | 20:10 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, so, EDP has added Java and streaming MapReduce. Also it looks like Hive is being worked on. Do we want to puruse anything additional for icehouse? | 20:11 |
| * tmckay brb | 20:12 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, probably cover all of them with integration tests and write a great doc with examples about how to run jobs of all the types you listed? | 20:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jonathan Maron proposed a change to openstack/savanna: Enable use of rootwrap for neutron private IP interactions https://review.openstack.org/73396 | 20:22 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, okay. So we don't want to pursue new actions for icehouse at this point. That's probably good. | 20:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I'm ok with new actions but it's optional IMO, we have enough new ones | 20:28 |
| tmckay | alright. Just not sure if there is time to get something new in, with UI support (crobertsrh). What's our freeze date for features? | 20:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Robert Nettleton proposed a change to openstack/savanna-image-elements: Adds Hortonworks Data Platform element to savanna-image-elements https://review.openstack.org/72994 | 20:37 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, thanks for approving the swift:// -- i'm really interesting in having us do most of our api breakage before I releases | 20:47 |
| mattf | i have it in my head that we should be more stable starting w/ I -- the bar to breaking something should be very high | 20:48 |
| mattf | that factors into my desire to have v2 for the entire J cycle to stabilize and migrate | 20:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we should really care about the API version that we'll name CURRENT (stable, default, name it as you wish) with J release | 20:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | due to the first integrated release | 20:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | of course in case if we'll graduate | 20:51 |
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| mattf | any chance we won't? | 20:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I don't think so | 20:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, agreed, it'll be several days before the i3, we'll have FFEs but we should not use them every day | 20:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, FFE == Feature Freeze Exceptoiin | 20:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 20:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, I think that master will be open for J in end of March | 20:53 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, ack. and crobertsrh will be out next week. Probably better chasing docs, bugs, and tests | 20:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup, I'd really love the idea to have a release with tons of tests, docs and all bugs fixed ;) | 20:54 |
| tmckay | lol, sounds great | 20:55 |
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| mattf | mr nettleton around? | 21:15 |
| mattf | ErikB, is sir nettleton around? | 21:16 |
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| mattf | i need some chatter to get myself off the "ahh, don't create another diskimage-create.sh" soapbox | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Jonathan Maron proposed a change to openstack/savanna: Enable use of rootwrap for neutron private IP interactions https://review.openstack.org/73396 | 21:18 |
| jmaron | mattf: pinged nettleton. should be joining | 21:22 |
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| bob_nettleton | mattf, jmaron just mentioned you wanted to contact me? | 21:23 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, yeah, let's chat diskimage-create.sh, so i can hop off my soapbox | 21:26 |
| mattf | i want one script that we use to generate images for savanna | 21:26 |
| mattf | i'm not exactly buying the complexity argument | 21:26 |
| mattf | but i'm a reasonable person, or so that's what i tell myself | 21:26 |
| mattf | a long term goal i have for us is to be consistent across plugins. if we just had 3 base images (one ubuntu, one fedora, one centos/rhel) that all plugins could use we'd be in a great place | 21:27 |
| mattf | but pragmatically that's not going to happen anytime soon, or ever | 21:27 |
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| bob_nettleton | mattf, my concern is that the single script will get too complex over time. Every time I want to modify an element that the HDP images use, I'll have to modify that single script, forcing me to rebuild and retest every image generated by the script. This will be time-consuming, and error-prone for sure. | 21:28 |
| * mattf pauses rant | 21:28 | |
| mattf | my response is that it takes a village | 21:28 |
| mattf | while we have divergence in images, we'll all have to work on making sure the images we care about work | 21:29 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, another issue is that not all distributions will support the same platforms. For example: HDP only supports CentOS images for Savanna right now. This may change, but I can't promise that there will be 3 base images eventually. In addition, there are separate distribution versions, and we'd like to have separate images for each version. | 21:29 |
| mattf | i like your mentality on this tho. but i think you're setting a higher bar than you need to. | 21:29 |
| mattf | if you change the shared script, you should avoid breaking spark, but i wouldn't expect you to test all images work. | 21:30 |
| mattf | as a community we need to make sure all the images work | 21:30 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, but how would I avoid breaking the spark-based images without testing them? While I agree that the community plays a role in verifying the images, I'd like to at least make a best effort to ensure that the images I'm modifying are in good shape before committing them. | 21:31 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, I do understand the desire to have a single script, but I'm conflicted about the maintenance issue for this. | 21:31 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, would the bar just be that the other distribution's images generate? | 21:32 |
| mattf | that's a reasonable bar | 21:32 |
| mattf | imho anyway | 21:33 |
| mattf | in fact that's a higher bar than we've been holding to so far. i'm pretty sure you can't generate working fedora images from an ubuntu box | 21:33 |
| mattf | and to date i don't think there have been any issues | 21:34 |
| mattf | ideally what we'd have here is the ci generating images and using the savanna ci suite | 21:35 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, I would imagine that the type of problem I'm describing would only recently be a possibility, since only recently have other distributions been added (cdh, now hdp, etc). | 21:35 |
| mattf | yup, i think any rough patches are about to hit us. | 21:35 |
| mattf | related - at some point we should stop generating hadoop 1.x images | 21:37 |
| mattf | while we could span the entire gambit of distro x platform, as a community we should have some recommended paths, and have those paths be what is output by diskimage-create.sh | 21:37 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, until there's actually a CI checking this stuff, this could be a problem. Regarding the 1.x stuff, I think that's something each distribution should decide on, since we'll never be able to get all three (or more) to be synced at the same time. | 21:38 |
| mattf | i'll take a good chunk of the heat for cross image breakage if the scripts are merged | 21:39 |
| mattf | (not too hard to do, since i often get a say in element modifications and can head things off in review) | 21:39 |
| jmaron | is the main advantage of one script that it's one script to build them all? | 21:42 |
| mattf | it gives us a single entry point into image creation, yes | 21:43 |
| mattf | the spark plugin has already merged w/ into it | 21:43 |
| jmaron | couldn't we modularize the script (top level script invokes distribution specific scripts) and address both of your concerns? | 21:44 |
| mattf | having a single script drives us to consistent use of dib | 21:45 |
| mattf | the middle ground kinda steps on that | 21:45 |
| mattf | jmaron, btw, re quantum. everything is neutron from havana onward. | 21:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | agreed with single script approach, it provides us an ability to make a CI with templates for building different images for different plugins | 21:47 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, ok, while I'm definitely concerned about the single-script approach, I'm willing to give it a try. I would ask that if we run into problems with changes to this script causing breakages, that we consider refactoring this as Jon mentioned (since then we could at least factor out the distribution-specific issues into separate scripts). | 21:48 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, I'll work on merging my diskimage-builder-hdp.sh into the main diskimage-builder.sh script. I do think that this will eventually become a maintenance problem, but am willing to try it. | 21:49 |
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| mattf | bob_nettleton, you can smack me and i'll buy you a beer when it becomes a maintenance problem | 21:50 |
| mattf | bbiab | 21:51 |
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| bob_nettleton | mattf, no smacking required, but a beer would be nice. :) | 21:52 |
| jmaron | mattf: I take it neutron became the defacto name with Havanna? I can't find it anywhere in our grizzly install | 21:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, yup, it was quantum before rename | 22:02 |
| jmaron | hmm…would a 'pip install neutron' update the command set on the box to have the neutron variants? | 22:03 |
| jmaron | or am I going to hose our installation? ;) | 22:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jmaron, I'm afraid that you'll kill your OpenStack | 22:07 |
| jmaron | ok. I guess I'll create a symbolic link on our installation and assume the neutron-rootwrap is the appropriate command | 22:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jonathan Maron proposed a change to openstack/savanna: Enable use of rootwrap for neutron private IP interactions https://review.openstack.org/73396 | 22:30 |
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