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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Unit test for Conductor Manager improved  https://review.openstack.org/4061608:47
openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Unit test for Conductor Manager improved  https://review.openstack.org/4061609:03
openstackgerritDmitry Mescheryakov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Implement object classes for Conductor  https://review.openstack.org/4083009:27
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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Unit test for Conductor Manager improved  https://review.openstack.org/4061610:31
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openstackgerritAlexander Kuznetsov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added first version of model for EDP  https://review.openstack.org/4022710:36
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openstackgerritDmitry Mescheryakov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Implement object classes for Conductor  https://review.openstack.org/4083010:51
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openstackgerritDmitry Mescheryakov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Implement object classes for Conductor  https://review.openstack.org/4083010:57
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openstackgerritNikolay Mahotkin proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added Hive configuration, new nodeprocess - hiveserver  https://review.openstack.org/4084712:02
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Unit test for Conductor Manager improved  https://review.openstack.org/4061612:03
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Implement object classes for Conductor  https://review.openstack.org/4083012:07
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Refactoring remote utils  https://review.openstack.org/3904312:10
openstackgerritNikolay Mahotkin proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added Hive configuration, new nodeprocess - hiveserver  https://review.openstack.org/4084712:10
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openstackgerritNikolay Mahotkin proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added Hive configuration, new nodeprocess - hiveserver  https://review.openstack.org/4084712:19
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openstackgerritDmitry Mescheryakov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Create DB tables on Savanna start  https://review.openstack.org/4085012:29
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openstackgerritAlexander Kuznetsov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added first version of model for EDP  https://review.openstack.org/4022712:47
openstackgerritAlexander Kuznetsov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added conductor API for DataSource object  https://review.openstack.org/4059112:47
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openstackgerritAlexander Kuznetsov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added first version of model for EDP  https://review.openstack.org/4022712:54
openstackgerritAlexander Kuznetsov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added conductor API for DataSource object  https://review.openstack.org/4059112:54
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openstackgerritAlexander Kuznetsov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added conductor API for DataSource object  https://review.openstack.org/4059113:12
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openstackgerritNikolay Mahotkin proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added Hive configuration, new nodeprocess - hiveserver  https://review.openstack.org/4084713:55
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openstackgerritAlexander Kuznetsov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added conductor API for DataSource object  https://review.openstack.org/4059114:10
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Create DB tables on Savanna start  https://review.openstack.org/4085014:13
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openstackgerritNikolay Mahotkin proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added Hive configuration, new nodeprocess - hiveserver  https://review.openstack.org/4084714:29
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openstackgerritAlexander Kuznetsov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added conductor API for DataSource object  https://review.openstack.org/4059114:41
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openstackgerritYaroslav Lobankov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Integration test updating for "HDP" plugin  https://review.openstack.org/4036915:29
openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Conductor impr for tenants and templates  https://review.openstack.org/4089415:30
openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Bump version to 0.3  https://review.openstack.org/4089515:30
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openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Make db import check strict  https://review.openstack.org/4089615:37
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tmckayrhhi folks.  Creating a draft schema for JobOrigin creation.  Question, when we have enum values like job_type do we want to be case sensitive?  Is ["Hive","Pig","Swift"] with case enforced what we want for job_type values?  Should we allow case insentivity?15:44
tmckayrhAlso, I suppose it would be good to include common schemas for EDP in a single file.  job type, storage system type, credentials type probably can be reused across multiple api methods.15:45
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tmckayrhThe job_type enum example occurred to me because I added "jar" which was lower case :)15:46
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tmckayrhthis is ofcourse JSON schema, btw15:47
nprivalovahi! I think everything should be in lower-case15:47
tmckayrhnprivalova, yeah, that sounds like a good idea.  I didn't know if we had a convention yet.15:51
tmckayrhnot sure if there is a json schema validation standard way to specify case insensitivy15:51
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nprivalovawe have some json-validation in validation-module15:52
tmckayrhnprivalova, yes, I am adding job_origin.py to validate my job_origin POST :)  No database entry yet, but I can ask for it and validate it, haha15:53
aignatovgood progress, tmckayrh15:59
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aignatovmay be you will send drafted PatchSet today as well? ;)15:59
openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Migration to Conductor  https://review.openstack.org/4090216:00
tmckayrhaignatov, thanks.  Yes, I can send a partial with just the REST stuff today.  I hope to have db records by the end of tomorrow if not sooner.16:00
tmckayrhI have wandered around in Flask and SqlAlchemy and savanna long enough that it is starting to all make sense ;-)16:01
aignatovit's ok to senf partial CRs ) just set it to Work In Progress and all of us will know that this is a draft)16:02
aignatov*send16:02
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tmckayrhokay, thanks.  I'll probably do that later today (but you all might be asleep)16:02
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openstackgerritDmitry Mescheryakov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Implement to_dict() method for Resource  https://review.openstack.org/4090416:21
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mattfivan about?16:29
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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Migration to Conductor  https://review.openstack.org/4090217:44
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shredder12hi everyone. I'm interested in contributing to savanna project. I've already gone through the 'how to contribute' instructions on the website.17:44
shredder12About me - I'm Shashank Sahni, a research student in Cloud computing and I operate a small openstack cluster at my research lab.17:45
mattfshredder12, welcome17:45
shredder12hi mattf17:45
shredder12most of the research scholars in my lab work on information extraction technologies and hence I've some experience in this domain - hadoop + openstack.17:46
mattfinteresting17:46
shredder12I program in Python and am sure I would be able to contribute17:46
mattfother than starting with an existing bug or blueprint, is there a particular area you're interested in contributing to?17:46
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shredder12nothing specific. I was going to start with  some triaged bugs but I thought I'd say hello and would be great if you folks have any suggestion for me.17:47
mattfare the researchers in your lab using hadoop 2.x yet?17:48
shredder12not yet.17:48
mattfone area that we have on the books (to do eventually), but haven't started is looking at enabling hadoop 2.x.17:48
mattfright now savanna only works with hadoop 1.x17:49
shredder12cool. I'm yet to get fully acquainted with savanna. I can certainly look into this.17:50
mattfyou should definitely start with the docs, they're actually quite good.17:50
shredder12sure.17:50
mattfhttps://savanna.readthedocs.org/en/latest/17:50
SergeyLukjanovshredder12, mattf, hi17:51
crobertsrhwelcome shredder12!17:51
SergeyLukjanovshredder12, welcome :)17:51
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shredder12hi SergeyLukjanov  crobertsrh17:51
mattfshredder12, for email we use the openstack-dev list, just include "[savanna]" in the subject line17:51
SergeyLukjanovshredder12, approved :) but we're actually using openstack-dev ml17:52
shredder12:-)17:52
shredder12sure. I'm on openstack-ev17:52
shredder12*dev17:52
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shredder12I'm running a mix of folsom and grizzly(only swift) at my lab. I'm not sure if I'll be able to plugin savanna there. is devstack the only way to go?17:53
mattfdevstack/packstack don't currently have support for setting up savanna - that's another potentially interesting bit of work to do17:54
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SergeyLukjanovmattf, the main problem is devstack's stability and performance17:54
shredder12although I'd like to say that I've tried a lot to make hadoop work with swift, but failed all the time. I actually got interested in savanna after realizing that you folks have been trying to solve similar issues.17:55
mattfi'm partial to rdo w/ packstack. the savanna services stand up nicely in that env.17:55
SergeyLukjanovshredder12, we have an internal lab with Folsom and savanna works good with it (not sure about UI part..)17:55
shredder12SergeyLukjanov, alright. I'll give it a try on the test machine. I'll stay in touch with you folks for any help17:56
SergeyLukjanovshredder12, vanilla plugin is now fully supports swift usage as input and output for running jobs17:56
SergeyLukjanovshredder12, btw I'm recommend you to install savanna into the virtual env17:57
shredder12SergeyLukjanov, noted17:57
mattfshredder12, are you on an rpm managed system?17:57
shredder12ubuntu 12.0417:57
shredder12although I can arrange/manage either17:57
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mattfi've an rpm for savanna's main api service you could try out if you're on an rpm system17:57
shredder12that would be great17:58
ruhejfyi I will not be able to attend weekly meeting. andoid drained the battery again :)17:58
mattfit integrates with systemd atm17:58
SergeyLukjanovruhe, I've bought an external battery for it :)17:58
mattfsounds like this week is the week to get all the important stuff done! ruhe17:58
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shredder12mattf, this will require fedora, right?17:59
SergeyLukjanovshredder12, btw here is a screencast with overview of the latest release 0.2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrlHM0-q5zI17:59
mattfshredder12, it would, yes17:59
mattfi've been meaning to add a sysv script for rhel17:59
shredder12SergeyLukjanov, great. thanks :)18:00
shredder12mattf, Could you share the RPM?18:01
mattfshredder12, you can find it on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=98661518:01
shredder12mattf, got it18:02
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shredder12thank you SergeyLukjanov, mattf  I'll have to take a leave now. I'll catch up on all the information shared by you folks and will get back to you.18:03
shredder12Looking forward to work with you :)18:03
SergeyLukjanovthe team meeting will be in #openstack-meeting-alt channel in a few minutes18:03
mattfhave a good one18:04
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mattfcrobertsrh, ^^18:07
crobertsrhack18:07
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Conductor impr for tenants and templates  https://review.openstack.org/4089418:46
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Bump version to 0.3  https://review.openstack.org/4089518:49
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mattfwelcome18:55
hub_caphello SergeyLukjanov mattf18:55
mattfso... hub_cap, you just did a ptl election?19:02
hub_capwell...19:02
hub_capthre was no need for an election since im a dictator lol19:02
hub_capbut i know about them19:02
mattflol19:02
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hub_captypically you can use this (/me finds link)19:02
SergeyLukjanovhub_cap, thx for help19:03
hub_caphttp://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/19:03
hub_capid say use it19:03
hub_capespecially if you have >2 people due to the weighting19:03
hub_capand you choose who gets the email19:04
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* mattf reads19:04
hub_capid say get a list of everyone whos committed to savanna19:04
openstackgerritTrevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna:     Add initial version of the REST api for the job origin component.  https://review.openstack.org/4093619:04
hub_capand put their emials in19:04
hub_cap*emails19:04
IlyaEHow to define electorate for non-official projects?19:04
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mattfIlyaE, my next question!19:04
SergeyLukjanovmattf, IlyaE, and my too :)19:05
mattfhow do official projects define the electorate?19:05
IlyaEhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_Spring_201319:05
hub_capgit log --all --format='%aN <%aE>' | sort -u ftw19:05
IlyaEElectorate19:06
IlyaEThe electorate for a given project PTL election are the Foundation individual members that are also committers for said project over the Folsom-Grizzly timeframe, up to 23:59 PST on February 28, 2013.19:06
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hub_capthey likely have a script to grab that from the git logs19:06
hub_capbut19:06
hub_capgit log --all --format='%aN <%aE>' | sort -u19:06
hub_capwill give you _all_ the commiters ever19:06
SergeyLukjanovso, the electorate is ATC19:06
hub_capyes19:06
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mattfSergeyLukjanov, ATC?19:06
SergeyLukjanovhttps://github.com/stackforge/savanna/blob/master/AUTHORS (auto generated by setup scripts)19:07
SergeyLukjanovactive tech contributors19:07
SergeyLukjanovI mean ATC of savanna19:08
SergeyLukjanovhub_cap, yes?19:08
mattfour mod on the standard process is to use ATC instead of committers19:08
hub_capwell ya19:08
hub_capyou need to pick a "Start date"19:08
hub_capfor the ATC19:08
mattfahh, AUTHORS != ATC, no time window included19:08
mattfhmm, we don't have a single repo, so can't use just that AUTHORS file or a single git log19:10
SergeyLukjanovit's just a sample19:11
openstackgerritTrevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna:     Add initial version of the REST api for the job origin component.  https://review.openstack.org/4093619:11
IlyaEI guess options for the start date are from the very start of Savanna or start of Havanna release19:11
mattfheh, savanna-extra is missing an AUTHORS19:11
SergeyLukjanovmattf, I think we need to add it19:11
IlyaEfor difference repos - we can just merge all lists19:11
hub_capmattf, just use that script19:12
hub_capgit log --all --format='%aN <%aE>' | sort -u19:12
mattfSergeyLukjanov, +119:12
hub_capthen you will have to merge them together and not let people get >1 vote if they have >1 email attached :)19:12
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/savanna/blob/master/AUTHORS19:12
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/savanna-dashboard/blob/master/AUTHORS19:12
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/python-savannaclient/blob/master/AUTHORS19:12
SergeyLukjanovAUTHORS files contains deduplicated info19:13
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/savanna-extra/blob/master/AUTHORS19:13
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mattfIlyaE, start of havanna release == start of havanna development?19:14
IlyaE yep19:14
mattfthat seems sane to me.19:15
hub_capmy suggestion is to go to the begin of development19:15
hub_capsince its yoru first election19:15
mattf(i doubt it makes much of a difference)19:15
SergeyLukjanovI think that there no diff in ATC lists for start date == beginning of dev and havana release19:16
IlyaEthat's right19:16
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/savanna/contributors19:16
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/savanna-extra/contributors19:17
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/savanna-extra/graphs/contributors19:17
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/savanna-dashboard/contributors19:17
mattfhttps://github.com/stackforge/python-savannaclient/contributors19:17
mattf(ignore dup)19:17
openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna-extra: Add AUTHORS file  https://review.openstack.org/4093819:17
SergeyLukjanovgithub isn't the best place to look at the contribs lists19:18
mattfhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/savanna-ptl-election-proposal19:19
SergeyLukjanovwe need emails19:19
hub_capwoah that contributors thing is cool :P19:19
mattf+1 github19:20
SergeyLukjanovgithub doesn't show Robert Collins for example19:21
mattfhe's in savanna-extra19:21
aignatov_btw, in addition to contribution list I'd like to include stats from code review19:21
mattfwho are our actual committers?19:21
SergeyLukjanovmattf, can't see him here - https://github.com/stackforge/savanna-extra/graphs/contributors19:21
hub_capid go w/ the git log scripts yall19:22
SergeyLukjanovshould we skip people with one-line commits?19:22
SergeyLukjanovour some other metrics19:22
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hub_capSergeyLukjanov: migth not want to do that... let everyone vote, not everyone will. rather have everyone vote than people complain about the vote on the ML after19:22
SergeyLukjanovafaik to be ATC you need to just have at least one commit19:22
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IlyaE+1 to hub-cap19:23
IlyaElet's keep it simple19:23
mattfyes19:23
SergeyLukjanovhub_cap, absolutely agree with you, just want to ensure that we don't need to do it ;)19:23
mattfSergeyLukjanov, who are our actual committers?19:24
SergeyLukjanovmattf, what do you mean?19:24
mattfIlyaE> Electorate19:24
mattf<IlyaE> The electorate for a given project PTL election are the Foundation individual members that are also committers for said project over the Folsom-Grizzly timeframe, up to 23:59 PST on February 28, 2013.19:24
mattfif we were using ^^ as the electorate, who would it include?19:24
aignatov_actual commiters are the commiters from savanna-core, extra, dashboard, python-client, aren't they?19:25
SergeyLukjanovaignatov_, yep19:25
IlyaEI guess mattf question is can you produce the actual list from git19:25
SergeyLukjanovI'll produce the list19:25
mattfi also just need a reminder -- it's the members of savanna-core in lp?19:26
mattfhttps://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/133,members <- ?19:26
SergeyLukjanovoh, does you mean core team?19:26
SergeyLukjanovyep, it's the core team19:26
mattftht's how i interpreted the message IlyaE pasted19:26
openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Implement to_dict() method for Resource  https://review.openstack.org/4090419:27
openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Migration to Conductor  https://review.openstack.org/4090219:27
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna-extra: Add AUTHORS file  https://review.openstack.org/4093819:27
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mattfaignatov_, you also mentioned core team elections. is there a set process for that in openstack?19:29
IlyaEcore elections is actually good idea19:29
IlyaEthere is no very strict process for that19:29
mattfis it common for each openstack project to come up with its own process for that?19:30
IlyaEit's just a matter of nomination specific contributor, keeping amount of reviews as key metric19:30
aignatov_I think it's doing by mail. Evryone can initiate a process to include someone to core team19:30
SergeyLukjanovI think that process of adding guys to core team is just nominate them using ml19:30
IlyaEthe email is sent to openstack-dev19:30
aignatov_an then voting -1 +119:30
IlyaEand than members of projects put +119:30
SergeyLukjanovall projects use such process19:30
SergeyLukjanovyou can search for such emails in openstack-dev archives19:31
mattfhow would you define members for that election? same ATC?19:31
SergeyLukjanovafaik, ptl + core team makes decision based on votes from anyone in MK19:31
SergeyLukjanovML*19:32
mattfSergeyLukjanov, what's a good subject to search on?19:32
IlyaEexample http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-August/012821.html19:32
IlyaEsearch for nomination19:32
SergeyLukjanov"Nomination for" "add to core"19:32
mattfan alternative to ATC for PTL electorate, we could do core member election first, then PTL19:33
mattfhub_cap, opinion on how ^^ would jive w/ standard practice?19:34
hub_capso are you saying that only core will vote for ptl?19:34
hub_capi agree, in general, you need more core members :)19:34
tmckayrhjenkins, you hate me19:34
mattfthat's how i read the message IlyaE shared19:35
hub_capit doesnt work that way in the other projects19:35
hub_capive voted for the nova ptl19:35
hub_capand ive never been nova core19:35
hub_capi think that will discourage people who arent core19:35
mattfok, maybe i'm misinterpreting it then19:35
IlyaETL election are the Foundation individual members that are also committers for said project19:35
SergeyLukjanovI think that all ATC should vote for PTL as in OS world19:35
IlyaEnothing about core19:35
hub_capyes +1 SergeyLukjanov19:36
SergeyLukjanovas for the core team - we can calculate some stats from the reviews and contributions and company-affiliations19:36
hub_capfor Trove19:37
hub_capwe had 2 main companies working on it19:37
IlyaEit may sound unfair that somebody who contributed one line of code has the same weight as another person with few thousands19:37
IlyaEbut this is exactly how democracy works19:37
hub_capand we agreed to have equality between the companies, so we have 2 from hp and 2 from rax19:37
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aignatov_tmckayrh, jenkins doen't hate you, he directs you to the right way))19:38
tmckayrhaignatov_, lol, ack.  He hates my code, not me. ;-)19:39
mattfhub_cap, you did that to seed the core members, or is does the core always have that makeup?19:39
mattf(is does?)19:39
hub_capseed only19:39
hub_capwe still have only 419:39
* mattf grins19:39
hub_capbut we are going to consider people based on code not affiliation19:39
hub_capcore members should have no offiliation other than the public product19:40
SergeyLukjanovthere was an interesting discussion about it in mailing list19:40
mattfthat's a good model to follow19:40
hub_capbut it was still hard in the beginning to say company X _controls_ this product19:40
SergeyLukjanovcan't find it now :(19:40
hub_capyes SergeyLukjanov the cinder talk19:40
hub_capSubject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack] [cinder] Proposal for Ollie Leahy to join cinder-core19:41
hub_capDate: July 19, 2013 3:29:53 AM PDT19:41
openstackgerritAlexander Ignatov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Added basic helper for map-reduce actions  https://review.openstack.org/4059019:41
SergeyLukjanovI think that core team is a list of guys who *should* review code and control approval process but anyone can review code too19:41
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SergeyLukjanovhub_cap, thank you!19:41
hub_capnp!19:42
hub_capSergeyLukjanov: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/trove-reviewers-30.txt19:42
hub_capif you look @ the *'s19:42
hub_capour 2nd reviewer is not core19:42
hub_capbut ill consider him before others ;)19:42
SergeyLukjanov:)19:42
hub_capyou should get that set up with russellb19:42
hub_caporiginhttps://github.com/openstack-infra/reviewstats.git (fetch)19:43
SergeyLukjanovwe have it :)19:43
SergeyLukjanovhttp://jenkins.savanna.mirantis.com/view/Infra/job/savanna-reviewstats/Savanna_Review_Stats/index.html19:43
hub_capahh cool19:43
SergeyLukjanovgood idea to add savanna to the main repo19:43
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hub_capya u should add it to the main repo19:44
hub_capwe had while still on stackforge/trove19:44
SergeyLukjanovI'll do it asap19:45
mattfhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/savanna-core-election-proposal19:45
SergeyLukjanovdon't now why I decided to setup own installation instead of adding savanna to existting :)19:46
SergeyLukjanovhub_cap, are there any thoughts about the order of ptl/core elections?19:47
hub_capwhat do you need more?19:47
hub_capif you need more reviewers19:47
mattflol19:47
hub_capdo core first19:47
hub_capif you need a ptl go w/ that19:48
hub_capwe didnt have a ptl officially till we went incubated19:48
hub_capyou dont need one technically yet19:48
hub_capunless you feel the need as a project ot have one19:48
hub_capyou always need more core members :)19:48
hub_capwe operated for >1 yr w/o a clear defined ptl19:49
mattfour dictator has been performing most ptl functions19:49
hub_caphaha that was me too19:49
SergeyLukjanov:)19:49
mattfdictators should setup the rules for how they may be legitimized19:50
mattflol19:50
mattftoo many distractions -- SHOULD NOT19:50
ruhebenevolent dictator19:50
openstackgerritTrevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna:     Add initial version of the REST api for the job origin component  https://review.openstack.org/4093619:50
mattfok, just to summarize on the ptl19:50
mattfwe have a recommendation to use http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/19:51
mattfwe talked about how to define the electorate19:51
mattfmost folks were for using ATC, defining ATC as AUTHORS19:51
mattfwe have 4 repos of AUTHORS19:51
mattfmost people were against using extra metrics to define electorate19:52
mattfwe're missing - how do we nominate someone for PTL?19:52
SergeyLukjanovby adding to some wiki page?19:53
IlyaEAny member of an election electorate can propose his candidacy for the same election. No nomination is required. They do so by sending an email to the openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailing-list, which the subject: "PROJECT PTL candidacy" (for example for Glance: "Glance PTL candidacy"). The email can include a description of the candidate platform. The candidacy is then confirmed by one of the election officials, after verification of19:53
IlyaE the electorate status of the candidate.19:53
IlyaEWe can skip the last step19:54
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mattfwe could have candidates nominate themselves at the meeting where we agree on the election process19:55
mattfalso - how long to keep the election open19:56
mattf1 week makes sense to me19:56
SergeyLukjanov+1 for 1 week (from irc meeting to the next one)19:57
mattfyeah19:57
mattfok - thoughts on term?19:57
SergeyLukjanovas for "candidates nominate themselves at the meeting", maybe better to prepare the initial list before it?19:58
mattfsince this is out of band w/ actual OS elections. i'd propose effective immediately through the next election cycle, sow e can sync up19:58
SergeyLukjanovor just put names to the list?19:58
mattfwe could post an email saying folks can add themselves (or others) to the pad. we'll finalize the list at the meeting19:59
SergeyLukjanovmattf, sounds good20:00
mattfOS cycle is even 6 months, right?20:01
SergeyLukjanovyep20:01
mattfso our 1st ptl could be 6 mo + now til next cycle starts20:01
SergeyLukjanovlooks like that it should min(6 mo, incubation)20:02
mattfwhy that?20:02
ruhein soviet russia dictator can change the rules and stay for another two terms20:03
mattflol20:03
mattfgonna put that on a tshirt?20:03
ruhemaybe20:03
mattfSergeyLukjanov, are you saying 1st ptl should be in office through the incubation process?20:04
SergeyLukjanovmattf, when we'll be applied for incubator, the official ptl will be proposed for it20:04
SergeyLukjanovmattf, no, I mean before the incubation20:04
mattfimho, we're electing that official ptl now20:04
SergeyLukjanovmattf, mm, can't disagree with this20:05
SergeyLukjanov6 mo is good as the OS standart20:05
mattfwe're off cycle though. so i'm proposing ptl term is through the next full OS cycle20:06
mattfanother option would be to go through the end of incubation20:07
mattfruhe, ^^ your loophole20:07
mattf...just never graduate from incubation20:07
SergeyLukjanov))))20:07
hub_capSergeyLukjanov: lisp?20:07
SergeyLukjanovclojure ;)20:07
hub_capfair enough :)20:08
SergeyLukjanovmattf, I think that "we're off cycle though. so i'm proposing ptl term is through the next full OS cycle" sounds much more strictly than incubation period20:08
mattfSergeyLukjanov, yeah, i'm throwing out ideas20:09
mattffolks how kinda quieted down though20:09
mattfs/how/have/20:09
SergeyLukjanovyep20:10
mattfit's super late. i'll cons the notes up into an email for os-dev [savanna] and see if i can solicit more input.20:11
SergeyLukjanovand looks like "sync with release cycle" is good too20:11
mattfwe had some discussion about core elections, but probably need some more. i'll put a pin in that one until tomorrow or so.20:11
SergeyLukjanovmattf, great, thank you!20:12
mattf^^ i'll bring it up again tomorrow AM ET20:12
openstackgerritTrevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna:     Add initial version of the REST api for the job origin component  https://review.openstack.org/4093620:13
mattfbtw, i completely agree that we need more core members20:13
SergeyLukjanovmattf, agreed20:15
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ruhemore brave souls willing to take this burden of constant code reviews20:20
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openstackgerritJonathan Maron proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Made Ambari RPM location configurable  https://review.openstack.org/4047920:41
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