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jpenagood morning07:16
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chandankumarjpena, number80 \o/07:59
chandankumarHave you seen this behaviour in dlrn?07:59
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jpenathat's the expected message when a package build fails08:00
jpenaanything at the rpmbuild.log file?08:01
chandankumarjpena, INFO:dlrn:Processing openstack-tempest 81086e4cc4152fd672b381c37904a8f2d9bdc8ac08:01
jpenaI mean /home/vagrant/DLRN/data/repos/2a/47/2a472d8f254a9ee4acd2373ff41680b290f00df1_dev/rpmbuild.log08:01
chandankumaractually if a build fails, it agains starts processing the commit second time08:01
chandankumarthat is worrying me08:01
jpenaohhh, I see08:02
jpenait's processing a different commit08:03
jpenalet me check that, it should not happen in --dev mode08:03
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chandankumarjpena, ok08:03
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/packstack: neutron: use modern parameters
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/packstack: Add default_volume_type to cinder.conf file
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jpenachandankumar: it's interesting. I always thought --dev implies --head-only, but it never did. If you have a previous commit for openstack-tempest in the sqlite db, this is normal behaviour08:11
jpenawe can change that (it's a trivial fix), but I'm not sure if it would break someone08:11
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chandankumarjpena, i am seeing it from last night, so i left the laptop open with dlrn running, went to sleep08:13
jpenachandankuar: just check what's in commits.db (select id, commit_hash, status from commits where project_name='openstack-tempest')08:13
jpenaif there's some commit there, it's expected. Just remove them or remove commits.db if you're not interested in keeping the db08:14
chandankumarjpena, sure08:14
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chandankumarjpena, one more query dlrn does not provide verbose mode like seeing mock output as a stdout on terminal ?08:16
jpenachandankumar: not yet, but you're the second person to ask (dmsimard did it a few days ago), so we'll have to implement it :)08:17
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amoralejgood morning08:27
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chandankumaramoralej, \o/08:29
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chandankumarnumber80, tempest upstream rpms are ready, i need to fix some shebang issue, then i will upload on fedorapeople for testing09:24
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chandankumardlrn takes too much time in building a tempest rpm locally i donot know why09:26
number80chandankumar: problem is not having a vanilla package of tempest but having both vanilla and downstream tempest together09:27
chandankumarnumber80, What about shipping downstream one as a patches? with the upstream tempest rpms?09:28
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number80still not solving the problem09:29
number80we have users who need vanilla tempest and others needing downstream tempest09:29
number80one package can't fit both use cases09:29
hewbroccatosky: ^^^09:30
number80and downstream tempest is too heavily patched for that09:30
chandankumaronce upstream rpm is done, i will try to sync rh/tempest with upstream and try both to find what is the difference09:30
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number80" Pull request Compare This branch is 192 commits ahead, 345 commits behind openstack:master. "09:31
number80a lot of patches09:31
toskychandankumar: it's not so easy as it would expect; the downstream one a) has not been synchronized for a while as it lead to breakages to tempest plugins using the (for now) unstable interface09:31
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jpenaat the end, I think we'll have two packages09:31
toskychandankumar_: it's not so easy as it would expect; the downstream one a) has not been synchronized for a while as it lead to breakages to tempest plugins using the (for now) unstable interface09:31
toskychandankumar_: and also the configuration, which is the easiest part, as it could be stripped in a separated package09:31
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tosky(guess what: it needs someone who should do it)09:32
number80jpena: yes, we just need to figure out the provides/conflicts magic to make them coexists in the repo09:32
jpenanumber80: agreed09:32
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chandankumar_so a new package as a tempest-config for only shipping tempest config only ?09:36
tosky*if* it is decided to proceed that way, the config part should be moved to a separate source repository09:39
toskythis is my thought but I'm not the one who can decide it09:39
toskydmellado also started working in that direction:
chandankumar_we have not decided anything it is still in discussion.09:40
toskybut you know... time09:40
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number80matbu: can you attend the RDO meeting today? we'd like to hear how you use tempest in RDO CI09:43
number80I'll ping weshay when he'll be online09:43
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number80jpena: looks like QE are fine with either tempest09:46
matbunumber80: k, but i'm not sure i'm the tempest guys in rdo-ci09:47
matbunumber80: sshnaidm is probably the best person09:47
number80matbu: we just need to understand which version you use and how09:47
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number80works for me09:47
number80sshnaidm: ^09:47
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number80I'd like to close that topic asap09:47
number80next promotion and M3 are more important topics09:49
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toskynumber80: "looks like QE are fine" in the sense that we need both09:54
toskynot that we need just one09:54
toskyuntil at least we find a way to easily rebase the upstream version without breaking the stable plugins09:55
number80tosky: we will provide both, I just need to figure out how to do that without breaking your use cases09:56
toskynumber80: our use case is currently tied to the configurator09:56
toskyhence my proposed solution above (detach it)09:56
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number80tosky: is it easy to change package name in that configurator?09:58
number80like replacing "install openstack-tempest by openstack-tempest-redhat"?09:58
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toskynumber80: if we had a separate configurator, yes09:59
toskydid you check what the autoconfiguration script actually is?09:59
number80tosky: configurator is different than khaleesi?09:59
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* number80 not familiar with QE setup hence the dumb questions09:59
toskynumber80: this has nothing to do with khaleesi (or its successors)09:59
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toskyor at least partially, they can be adapted10:00
toskyso, I'm going to paste a bit of downstream documentation, but this is relevant here10:00
number80go ahead, understanding the use-case do help10:00
toskylook for the tools/configure-tempest-directory and then tools/config_tempest.py10:01
toskythis is the main addition to redhat-openstack/tempest compared to upstream tempest10:01
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toskyoh, and tools/run-tests.sh10:01
chandankumar_ tools/configure-tempest-directory goes to /usr/share/tempest-version/10:01
toskychandankumar_: that's a simple detail10:02
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toskylet's go for the general picture10:02
toskychandankumar_: and it does not go in that directory, it's simply its location10:03
number80I think we should then introduce openstack-tempest under a different name (and carry that as a provides) until dmellado comes back10:03
toskyas I mentioned, dmellado was trying to rewrite this configuration script in a more clean way:
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toskythe long term solution is different (having something else creating the tempest configuration, which in my mind should be TripleO)10:04
toskybut the short/medium term is help dmellado detach the configuration script (which is used downstream for testing)10:04
toskyand documented downstream10:04
number80I agree10:04
number80this is temp workaround so that we don't block anyone10:04
number80people who want to use vanilla tempest can do it safely, and we don't break existing use-cases10:05
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number80when dmellado comes back, we'll figure out the path of shipping only vanilla tempest10:05
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toskyif anyone want to do something in the meantime, take a look at the review above :)10:07
toskyand try to make it working10:07
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number80interesting openstack-tempest has an epoch of 110:07
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number80openstack-tempest-vanilla could provide openstack-tempest (not breaking existing packages as no deps requires it with version)10:08
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number80so new use-case would just install openstack-tempest-vanilla, which would prevent installing openstack-tempest later10:09
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number80and by default the existing package would win if someone just looks at installing openstack-tempest10:09
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number80could work I guess10:10
toskyso if you have openstack-tempest-vanilla and you ask yum to install openstack-tempest, the epoch should win and you should get your package, did I get it right?10:11
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number80tosky: with conflicts, we can prevent that10:19
toskynumber80: I mean, replace the other10:19
toskynot co-install10:19
number80co-install is not possible10:19
number80but by default, yes epoch wins so openstack-tempest would get installed10:19
toskyyes, I understand it: my question is whether you need to remove one to install the other, or the break/replace should allow to switch from one to the other by just saying "install this"10:20
toskyok, perfect :)10:20
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number80I think we should also fix packages depending on tempest to Requires: tempest and have both openstack-tempest{,-vanilla} provides it10:21
number80oh, even better10:23
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sshnaidmnumber80, hi, what was the question..?10:33
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rdogerritJavier Peña created DLRN: Add option to show verbose mock output on console
jpenadmsimard, chandankumar: ^^11:06
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rdogerritJavier Peña proposed DLRN: Add option to show verbose mock output on console
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chandankumartosky, number80 Here is the upstream tempest rpms
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chandankumarnumber80, please review it
number80sshnaidm: sorry, was cooking lunch11:25
number80sshnaidm: the question was about how you use tempest in QE as we have to package both our fork and upstream versions of tempest11:25
* sshnaidm was eating lunch11:25
chandankumarjpena, will try11:26
number80chandankumar: ack, but we11:26
number80''ll have to do changes anyway, as we have to figure out how to avoid packages conflicts11:26
number80for instance, we11:26
number80may need to rename that package11:26
* chandankumar waits till meeting.11:27
sshnaidmnumber80, hm, I'm not in QE, but do some work with tempest in tripleo upstream11:27
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number80sshnaidm: ack11:32
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jschlueternumber80: some comments on could use answered if you have any time this morning11:35
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weshayadarazs, dmsimard ping re master promote12:03
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adarazsweshay: hi. looks like there's some cinder stuff blocking us, according to the email.?12:05
weshayadarazs, ya.. for the minimal job12:05
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weshayadarazs, for the pacemaker job it looks like validate failed12:05
weshayadarazs, dmsimard my suggestion is to pin the hash for master12:05
adarazsweshay: yeah, which is weird. I only have a minimal job reproduced on my machine, I'll do a pacemaker job and see why it fails.12:06
weshayand the tempest failures to the skip list w/ a bug, and see if the validate error is transient12:06
weshayadarazs, and regarding pinning the master job to....12:06
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adarazsweshay: minimal_pacemaker is not using tempest, so the validate error is on the pingtest:
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weshaysuggesting that we pin to 434269a0e82c654f5b303e3cf9689ed1fd9623d8_7892101412:08
adarazsweshay: why?12:08
weshayadarazs, so that we can promote12:08
weshaynew changes could come in and reset all the jobs to failing12:09
weshayadarazs, we're at 15 days
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weshayadarazs, think about, get w/ dmsimard and let me know re: the pin12:12
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adarazsweshay: I'm not sure we can solve/waive every issue with that hash. I need to get an overview about the failures there.12:12
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adarazslooking into it.12:14
weshayadarazs, pin the hash, bug the failing tempest tests12:15
weshayand we may get lucky w/ validate on pacemaker12:16
adarazsweshay: yeah, that's my concern that that could be a real bug. :) I'm reproducing the pacemaker job locally to see if it passes/debug if not.12:16
weshaythis is my suggestion, because the longer we go w/o a promote the longer internal goes w/o a build and we'll start getting a lot of negative attention12:17
weshayadarazs, aye12:17
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adarazsweshay: did you do the pinning before? you just edit the get-hash job and hardcode $NEW_HASH?12:19
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amoralejweshay,adarazs, we have the cinder issue afecting both tripleo jobs12:22
amoralejnot only the minimal12:22
weshayadarazs, ya.. just hand edit the get-hash-master12:22
weshaybut first put in a change to skip tempest12:23
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amoralejweshay, minimal_pacemaker failure is related to the cinder issue also, and in fact it's a valid bug that should be fixed i think12:24
weshayamoralej, I agree it should be fixed12:25
weshayamoralej, but it can be fixed in the next build12:25
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adarazsweshay: though we can't make the pingtest pass without it I guess.12:26
amoralejif we promote, we'll get a non-functional cinder with tripleo deployment12:26
weshayamoralej, I saw your comments, I agree.  However.. new changes are coming in ALL the time.. if we wait for that fix something else will certainly break12:26
amoralejcould a fix be added in tripleo to add the default_volume_type parameter?12:26
amoralejwe did that in packstack12:26
weshayamoralej, which we'll note.. but downstream needs *a* build12:26
amoralejbut i'm not sure how to do it in tripleo to be honest12:27
amoralejin fact, i couldn't fine even where volume-types are created with tripleo12:27
adarazsno idea either. I guess we need something for THT12:27
adarazsanyway, in this state we can't promote this hash, we need later hashes either with the cinder fix or a tripleo workaround. :/12:28
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amoralejthat's my guess also adarazs12:29
hewbroccagfidente: ^^^ can you advise here re Cinder?12:31
adarazsamoralej: do you have any insight about how quickly can land for cinder? is it worth trying to make a workaround in tripleo?12:31
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amoralejno idea, adarazs, i can't estimate the effort to implement workaround in tripleo12:32
adarazsamoralej: I think it should be pretty low effort, but useless if the cinder change merges soon-ish12:32
gfidentehewbrocca, ack thanks for pinging, reading back12:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1610073 in Cinder "Create volume without volume type failed" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Karthik Prabhu Vinod (karthik-prabhu-vinod)12:33
hewbroccawe should merge the cinder fix12:33
hewbroccait's also breaking upstream CI12:33
amoralejit's impacting deployments with tripleo12:33
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gfidenteamoralej, right in tripleo we don't set default_volume_type because we don't create any type either12:36
amoralejthat was my guess, so it'll be harder to implement the workaround12:36
gfidenteso the workaround should create a type and set it as default, correct?12:36
amoralejin packstack, we already created the type, so we only had to add the default_volume_type12:37
gfidenteamoralej, is this affecting mitaka too?12:37
amoraleji think only newton12:38
gfidenteso can't we count on the cinder fix for newton?12:38
amoralejlet me try to find out...12:38
amoralejit'll be fixed, it just a matter of time12:38
gfidenteok I also want to find out why tripleo ci is not failing on this though12:39
gfidenteas we create a volume and even boot from volume12:39
hewbroccagfidente: I think it might be actually12:39
hewbroccaslagle: ^^^12:39
amoralejwhat version of cinder are you using in tripleo ci?12:39
amoralejyou use consistent link from rdo for tripleo ci, right?12:40
gfidentelet me find out12:40
gfidentepython-cinder = 1:9.0.0-0.20160803054904.8eb0c89.el7.centos12:44
gfidenteI think 8eb0 is the commit hash12:44
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amoralejthis was built one week ago...12:45
weshayhewbrocca, yes/no push for a promote today?12:45
gfidenteamoralej, right so we don't have the bug yet?12:46
amoralejlet me check...12:46
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slaglegfidente: it is failing on it12:47
slaglegfidente: the periodic job using current is failing12:48
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gfidenteslagle, oh periodic12:48
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gfidenteslagle, that's the one building the cached image as well right?12:49
amoralejgfidente, apparently introduced the issue12:49
amoralejwhich is newer that 8eb0c8912:49
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gfidenteamoralej, yeah that closes the thing12:49
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gfidenteslagle, so looks like one of those times when we can  say "things are working right" as we don't get a broken image at gating12:50
slaglegfidente: we arent using cached images12:50
gfidenteslagle, but we also don't get to test the newer stuff until cinder is fixed unless we add the workaround12:50
gfidenteslagle, I merged that12:51
gfidentebut probably was before ovb>12:51
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slaglegfidente: ok, i thought you were asking me :)12:51
gfidenteright I probably am12:51
gfidentethink I need a recup, more appropriate on #tripleo though?12:51
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gfidenteso we can figure if it's best to add the workaround in tripleo or not12:53
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dmsimardweshay: can you explain what you want to do to promote ? I think I'm missing context.12:58
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weshaydmsimard, I'm suggesting we pin master promote to
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dmsimardweshay: what's special about that hash and how old is it ?13:09
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weshaydmsimard, it's passing the ooo deployment but has a known cinder issue13:14
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rbowenSomeone told me last week that the P and Q names had been announced somewhere, but I can't find that. Anybody know?13:16
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number80rbowen: last notice we had from Monty was that P&Q naming polls results were under legal reviews13:32
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number80RDO meeting in 87 min13:33
rbowennumber80: Yeah, I found that email. Thanks. I guess there's nothing beyond that.13:33
number80well, you can try and bribe Monty to get the news ahead :)13:35
rbowenWe should call Q 'Quantum', so that we can really confuse people.13:35
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number80and invite Scott Bacula for a keynote at Q summit13:37
tbarronhewbrocca: amoralej|lunch is the plan to do a workaround for by setting a default volume type?13:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1610073 in Cinder "Create volume without volume type failed" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Karthik Prabhu Vinod (karthik-prabhu-vinod)13:40
tbarroneharney: ^^^13:40
tbarronhewbrocca: amoralej|lunch I think it's a realistic thing to do anyways13:40
tbarronwe don't currently own the review for and (to me at least) it's a bit muddled, so getting the workaround going makes sense even if we give that review our attention13:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1610073 in Cinder "Create volume without volume type failed" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Karthik Prabhu Vinod (karthik-prabhu-vinod)13:41
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amoralejgfidente ^^^ see tbarron comment about cinder issue13:46
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number80jruzicka: jpena caught a glitches in your review =>
number80if you can fix it, we can merge it right away13:50
number80(this proves that waiting 2*+2 is worth the wait)13:51
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rbowennumber80: Or John de Lancie14:00
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number80he'd be awesome :)14:01
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rbowennumber80: meeting time?14:03
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hewbroccatbarron: thank you for your help14:04
hewbroccaslagle, gfidente OK let's work around this thing14:04
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number80rbowen: it should be in an hour14:06
number80date -d "3pm UTC"14:06
rbowenHmm. Looks like my calendar got confused again. :/14:06
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rbowenYou're right.14:06
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dmsimard\o/ merged AND WE HAVE BORDERS14:09
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rdogerritMerged openstack/heat-distgit: Use dist configuration when starting services
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rdogerritJakub Ruzicka proposed rdopkg: cbsbuild: make koji module optional
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jruzickanumber80, jpena oops... unit testing missing optional modules might be nice...14:15
jruzickafor now, yay to human superpowers14:15
zodbotjruzicka: Karma for jpena changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle):
number80jruzicka: yep14:16
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jschlueternumber80: what's normal process for getting updated version of rabbitmq-server into cbs common-testing tag?14:24
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jschlueternumber80: 3.6.3-6 is out in fedora 3.6.3-5 is in a version of OSP but would like to get RDO updated to something greater than rabbitmq-server-3.6.2-4.el714:25
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number80jschlueter: I'm not sure what was the plan, apevec was syncing w/ petro for RabbitMQ updates14:30
number80I'll take a look14:30
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jschlueternumber80: thanks last build from fedora was back on Jul 25, before that was Jul 2214:31
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aleeEmilienM, here is clone: bug 1365936 in openstack-puppet-modules "import puppet-barbican into OPM" [Unspecified,New] - Assigned to emacchi14:34
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dmsimardSomething just came up, need to afk for a bit. I'll miss the meeting. Sorry. number80 you can mute the bot ? :)14:42
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rbowendmsimard: Done14:57
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chandankumarnumber80, meeting time15:01
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number80who is supposed to chair?15:01
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number80#startmeeting RDO meeting - 2016-08-1015:02
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number80#topic roll call15:02
chandankumarnumber80, i think number80 is the chair15:02
number80agenda is here:
rbowenAccording to the agenda, yes. :-)15:02
number80completely forgot :)15:02
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number80dmsimard: around?15:03
rbowenHe just said he had to leave.15:04
rbowenwell, 20 minutes ago.15:04
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number80#chair chandankumar rbowen jpena jruzicka amoralej coolsvap15:04
zodbotCurrent chairs: amoralej chandankumar coolsvap jpena jruzicka number80 rbowen15:04
openstackCurrent chairs: amoralej chandankumar coolsvap jpena jruzicka number80 rbowen15:04
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number80let's start15:04
number80#chair jschlueter15:04
zodbotCurrent chairs: amoralej chandankumar coolsvap jpena jruzicka jschlueter number80 rbowen15:04
openstackCurrent chairs: amoralej chandankumar coolsvap jpena jruzicka jschlueter number80 rbowen15:04
number80#topic Add vanilla tempest package15:05
chandankumartosky, EmilienM RDO meeting.15:05
number80we had a request to ship a vanilla tempest package15:05
chandankumar#chair tosky15:05
zodbotCurrent chairs: amoralej chandankumar coolsvap jpena jruzicka jschlueter number80 rbowen tosky15:05
openstackCurrent chairs: amoralej chandankumar coolsvap jpena jruzicka jschlueter number80 rbowen tosky15:05
number80considering that part of our CI and test teams are using the heavily modified current package, it's not possible to replace it15:06
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number80so workaround is to ship both and make sure that they co-exists in our repository without breaking current use cases15:06
flepied  o/15:06
number80#chair flepied15:06
openstackCurrent chairs: amoralej chandankumar coolsvap flepied jpena jruzicka jschlueter number80 rbowen tosky15:06
zodbotCurrent chairs: amoralej chandankumar coolsvap flepied jpena jruzicka jschlueter number80 rbowen tosky15:06
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amoraleji think dmellado was working in a better solution for tempest package15:07
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amoralejbut he's on PTO now15:07
chandankumarso we need a small gap solution for tempest15:07
number80yes, he'll be back around M3 so we're now trying to find a workaround to work for everyone15:08
number80proposal: ship openstack-tempest-vanilla, and have both openstack-tempest{,-vanilla} provides tempest15:09
amoralejwho will use the new vanilla package?15:09
number80and dependencies should require tempest instead of the package directly15:09
number80amoralej: I had requests from dmsimard and EmilienM15:09
EmilienMnumber80: you always has requests from us.15:09
number80EmilienM: this one is reasonable, just not good timing :)15:10
jpenawhich tempest would win if we install a package that depends on it? Would the Epoch in openstack-tempest prevail?15:10
jpenalet's say we install python-designate-tests-tempest without any tempest package installed15:10
number80jpena: not necessarily, hence the Provides: tempest (note that it's unversioned)15:10
number80both packages will conflicts, but yum will likely prefer the existing one (due to epoch)15:11
chandankumarso basically we have two tempest package one from upstream and another from rh-openstack/tempest which will provide tempest, am i right?15:11
number80but, if you use the package name, the one installed will prevail15:12
number80chandankumar: just one, the latter15:12
amoralejwhat about dependencies, we'll keep them as they are? tempest-vanilla will depend on all -tests packages?15:12
amoralejas openstack-tempest?15:12
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number80EmilienM: would installing explicitly openstack-tempest-vanilla would work for you? until we fix openstack-tempest?15:12
number80amoralej: actually, it won't matter15:13
jpenaactually, if we do this, I'd do dependencies right (-test packages depend on tempest, not the other way around)15:13
number80tempest-vanilla can depends on all -tests15:13
number80and -tests should requires: tempest (not openstack-tempest)15:13
number80so won't break15:13
EmilienMnumber80: yes15:14
amoraleji don't like the idea of tempest requiring -tests, but chinging that would require other changes probably15:14
number80jpena: we can do that, that's relatively easy to do15:14
jpenanumber80. Ack. Would it impact CIs relying on -test packages? I'd assume no, but just in case, EmilienM?15:15
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EmilienMI see a problem though15:15
number80jpena: existing downstream CI should not be affected15:15
EmilienMTempest CI is currently running our puppet jobs15:15
EmilienMand for that, we use zuul-cloner15:15
EmilienMso using a packaging in RDO would not help us, since we need tempest from source in that case15:16
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EmilienMand see puppet jobs (non voting)15:16
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EmilienMit's possible thanks to
EmilienMif we stop doing ^ and we deploy the new package, the jobs in tempest gate would be useless15:17
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jpenaEmilienM: ok, I see.15:17
EmilienMand we like tempest testing our jobs15:17
EmilienMbecause we avoid them to inject regressions15:17
number80EmilienM: so why using plugins packages?15:17
EmilienMnumber80: good question15:17
number80I don't mind that we use git or RPM, but mixing them is not a good idea15:18
EmilienMiirc, it was introduced because regular packages didn't have the tests15:18
EmilienMso we started to package them15:18
number80not all packages have yet -tests subpackages15:18
toskyit's still a work in progress (and more and more Tempest tests will be in plugins)15:19
number80I suggest that we remove tempest deps from all -tests subpackages15:19
chandankumarnumber80, i think all the openstack services has test subpackages15:19
number80chandankumar: not all of them, I came accross few ones that don't15:20
number80let's vote about removing tempest as dependency to -tests packages15:20
chandankumarnumber80, please let me know we can create the test sub packages.15:20
number80amoralej: yes?15:20
amoralejbut what's the purpose of removing the dev?15:21
number80amoralej: if upstream CI uses tempest from git, it may conflict15:21
number80mixing git/pip installed modules with RPM packages may bring unwanted side-effect15:21
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EmilienMi'll give a try (later this week maybe) to setup plugins from source in puppet ci15:22
amoralejok, we should understand that mixing plugins as rpm + tempest from source is a requirement, right?15:22
number80it also means that the whole topic of having vanilla tempest may be delayed up to dmellado return15:22
amoralejyes, then we are in the point we were yesterday with dmsimard :)15:22
number80amoralej: well, I wouldn't support that configuration.15:23
toskynumber80: upstream CI uses tempest from git and it installs it in its own virtualenv, so if it the virtualenv is isolated it can't access system-installed plugins15:23
number80at least tempest + its plugins should be installed from same sources15:23
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amoraleji think the point is that some projects have tempest plugin in main git repo15:23
number80tosky: we had a review to allow mixing tempests plugins packages w/ git-installed tempests15:23
EmilienMthe problem is afik puppet ci doesnt deploy tempest in vevn15:23
amoralejwith service code15:23
amoralejso it's not that easy to install the plugin from source, maybe15:24
toskynumber80: if tempest is installed systemd-wide (so at the same level of the plugins, or with visibility to the plugins) than it's fine15:24
amoralejwhen it has it's own project is probably much easier15:24
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toskynumber80: they just need to be in the same... installation environment15:24
number80tosky: the thing is, we should not allow people installing stuff in system site-packages15:25
toskynumber80: correct as well15:25
weshayhrybacki, any resolution to the missing overcloud rst's?15:25
toskynumber80: but I think that tempest with a venv with --system-site-packages should work15:26
toskyjust for the record15:26
number80tosky: that would be a good workaround15:26
* number80 suggests to move out to the mailing-list15:26
number80one topic ate 1/3 of the allocated time :)15:26
hrybackiweshay: gate is calling, not quickstart.yml, so it's using tripleo-overcloud (which doesn't have the changes) instead of the native role to deploy the overcloud15:26
hrybackiso nothing is broken15:26
number80please wait, meeting is running15:27
number80#topic Volunteers wanted to talk about what you're doing in Newton, for RDO podcast15:27
amoralej+1 to remove tempest dependency from -tests so far and wait for dmellado feedback before creating the vanilla package15:27
rbowenThe kids have gone back to school, so my office is quiet again. Over the coming weeks, I'd like to do podcasts with members of various OpenStack projects about what's coming in Newton. I'm looking for volunteers.15:27
number80amoralej: ack15:27
rbowenI'm looking for 10-15 minutes, talking about what you're working on, what you're excited about in Newton, that sort of thing.15:28
number80#info rbowen is looking for volunteers for RDO Newton release podcasts15:28
weshayhrybacki, meh.. just flip it to quickstart then15:28
rbowenSee for examples of what we did last time.15:28
rbowen</end of topic>15:28
number80#topic Cleanup old commits from former centos7-master in DLRN instance15:28
number80jpena: ?15:29
jpenawe're still using quite a lot of space in the old centos7-master (now centos7-master-head)15:29
jpenanow that we've moved jobs to the new worker (using upper-constraints) it would be a good time to purge it15:29
amoralejmy only concern is that i remember from migration to ci.centos that specific hash repos where hardcoded in some places15:30
amoraleji remember tripleo ci i.e.15:30
amoralejso, purging may remove those olds repos, right?15:30
jpenaamoralej: not anymore. We copied hardcoded hashed repos to the new centos-newton worker15:30
jpenaso if there was something wrong, it should have failed by now, the old worker has a different url15:30
amoralejsorry, you are talking only about the old server15:31
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jpenaamoralej: no, the new server at, but the centos-master worker (now published at trunk/centos7-master-head)15:32
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amoralejok, i got it now15:32
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number80that looks good, please add action or info for the logs15:32
rdogerritEric Harney created openstack/taskflow-distgit: Remove dependency on python3-futures
jpenasince the NFS share is quite slow, the whole process could take long (maybe a couple days), during the which the old worker will be stopped15:33
jpena just fyi15:33
jpena#action jpena to purge old commits from centos-master15:33
number80thank you :)15:33
number80#topic chair for next week meeting15:34
number80who wants it?15:34
jpenaI can take it, it's been a while since I last did it15:34
number80#info jpena to chair next week meeting15:34
number80#topic open floor15:34
chandankumarnumber80, Any action item from vanilla tempest discussion or we wait till dmellado returns?15:34
number80chandankumar: except starting a discussion on the rdo-list and removing tempest as dependency in all -tests packages, none15:35
chandankumari will do that15:35
number80solution may be simple, but the topic is tricky, that's why we need all the input before touching the packages15:36
amoraleji think the only one is the designate-tempest-test package15:36
number80or we'd just keep changing things and breaking everyone15:36
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number80amoralej: yes, there may be some others though15:36
number80not satisfactory, but we can't do better15:37
number80any other topic someone wants to throw?15:37
chandankumarhorizon-tempest also requires tempest-horizon
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chandankumartempest-horizon also requires tempest
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chandankumarnumber80, not from my side15:40
number80I'm closing soon15:42
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rbowenThanks again, number8015:42
chandankumarThanks number80 for chairing the meeting15:42
Jehanenumber80: Houston, we got a problem15:42
jpenathanks number8015:43
number80Jehane: I'm fine, I don't live in Texas :)15:45
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toskyups, I forgot about openstack-sahara-tests: I updated the card, I'm collecting the information15:54
toskynumber80, chandankumar: ^^ just fyi15:54
toskythe trello card15:55
number80saw that15:55
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number80good luck with that15:58
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dmsimardI'm back16:06
dmsimardrbowen: thanks for doing these interviews, they're great16:07
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sc`a question came my way that for which i don't have an answer, so i seek the wisdom of #rdo - why does mariadb get built and included if c7 defaults to mariadb? i presume it's due to features, but would like a better answer than that16:10
rbowendmsimard: Thanks. If you can convince a few people to volunteer, that would be awesome. :-)16:10
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dmsimardsc`: I believe RDO mirrored mariadb even before the upgrade to 1016:17
* dmsimard looks16:17
rdogerritMerged openstack/taskflow-distgit: Remove dependency on python3-futures
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rdogerritMerged rdo-infra/puppet-dlrn: Use virtualenv --system-site-packages
dmsimardSo Liberty RDO has 5.5.40 and Mitaka RDO has 10.1.1216:19
dmsimardnumber80: do you know why we actually ship mariadb ?16:20
rdogerritBen Kero proposed config: nodepool: add experimental multinode support
number80dmsimard: because of galera16:20
dmsimardnumber80: oh so CentOS ships mariadb but not galera ?16:21
number80well, the version shipped in CentOS is too old for us, and since 10.1 galera is now part of mariadb16:21
dmsimardnumber80: it seems the version we had in <= liberty was at parity with CentOS, though16:21
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sc`that's exactly what i was thinking when i saw the packages, was that it was for galera16:22
number80dmsimard: ?16:22
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number80AFAIK, CentOS ships 5.516:23
sc` so it's a rebuild and not a straight up mirror?16:23
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sc`i got my facts straight now :)16:23
number80sc`: it's mostly based on Fedora package16:23
dmsimardnumber80: I don't see 10.x in Liberty:
number80dmsimard: yes, it broke 3o16:24
dmsimardnumber80: so that's what I'm saying, 5.5 is at parity with liberty yet we still shipped mariadb16:24
dmsimardwell, due to galera I guess16:24
number80dmsimard: no, we didn't ship mariadb in liberty, just mariadb-galera16:25
number80different package16:25
dmsimardnumber80: ohhhhhh you're right16:25
* dmsimard needs more caffeine16:25
dmsimardsc`: so while I have you /on the line/16:25
dmsimardsc`: how's those integration tests of yours16:25
sc`dmsimard: getting there. frequently battling ENOTIME16:26
dmsimardnumber80: let's chat in Barcelona about packaging and tagging and stuff (cbs/buildlogs).. I think I'm starting to understand some things on my own (those xstatic packages helped) but I need some help.16:27
sc`lots of churn underway to get ubuntu 16.04 support and newton in16:27
dmsimardsc`: oh, you get ENOTIME errors too ?16:27
sc`which requires me to retool for openstackclient and identity v3 :D16:27
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dmsimardsc`: hah.. we're probably due for a RHEL/CentOS 7.3 sort of soon I think, from looking at
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dmsimardRHEL8 looks a bit far away still !16:29
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dmsimardHah.. RHEL6 with good old trustworthy 2.6.32 .......... 2.6.32-64216:30
dmsimardat that point it's hardly honest to call it 2.6.32 anymore16:30
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sc`dmsimard: centos/rhel point releases are actually pretty easy to adapt to for chef. ubuntu just breaks everything between releases :)16:46
dmsimard16.04 introduces systemd, right ? or was that 14.04 ? I forget.16:47
tosky16.04 iirc16:47
dmsimardswitching from a mix of upstart and sysvinit has got to be fun.16:49
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jaygdmsimard: not sure if you would know, but earlier I tagged an opm for mitaka, and am still not seeing it @ ?  Is there a problem with dlrn currently?16:57
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number80I guess DLRN instance is still lagging16:59
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jaygnumber80: I did tag it, if that is what you mean17:03
dmsimardjayg: mitaka no longer continuously builds packages17:06
dmsimardjayg: it's triggered twice a day or something like that.17:06
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dmsimardnumber80: so I sort of read the whole meeting scrollback quickly.. I see a "let's vote" but no vote.. so, did we come to a conclusion ?17:07
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number80dmsimard: discussion on the list, most stakeholders were not present17:11
jaygdmsimard: ah, ok, perfect, thanks!17:12
dmsimardnumber80: hm, don't see a thread yet.17:12
number80yeah, chandan is working on sending a mail17:13
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dmsimardweshay: that rdo-list mail you just sent is probably a good candidate for openstack-dev with [tripleo] tag17:19
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rbowenchandankumar: ping17:26
zodbotrbowen: Ping with data, please:
rbowenthanks, zodbot17:26
chandankumarrbowen, pong17:26
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rbowenchandankumar: Did you ever receive the shirts I sent?17:26
chandankumarrbowen, nope17:26
rbowenI sent a second box, because you hadn't received the first one. I'm not sure what to do. :(17:27
chandankumarrbowen, But rupali had received the RDO banner for PyCon India 201617:27
rbowenPerhaps if I send a box from Brno instead of from the US it'll fare better?17:27
rbowenBut I'm all out of the ones that I saved for you. :(17:28
chandankumarrbowen, i think so.17:28
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chandankumarrbowen, i will do a cross check tomorrow at office reception, may be they received and forgot to update me.17:29
rbowenI noticed that there was another chkumar listed in the office. Or is that also you?17:29
chandankumarrbowen, nope17:30
chandankumarrbowen, my email is chkumar@redhat.com17:30
chandankumaranother is chakumar@redhat.com17:30
chandankumarand another one is chkumari@redhat.com17:30
rbowenok, so those are both you. I was concerned that perhaps there was someone else with the same name. :-)17:30
chandankumargenerally many people had sent mails to these other one guy and and girl, i need to get an alias soon.17:31
chandankumarrbowen, pm?17:31
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weshayrook, hey..17:48
weshayrook, is running on CentOS ok or do you need RHEL17:49
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weshayshould have asked earlier17:49
rookweshay: CentOS should suffice -- I don't see why it wouldn't work.17:49
rookwe run most of our stuff on CentOS17:49
weshayand the point of this is to gate and fail if there are performance issues found w/ browbeat right?17:50
weshayOk.. so we'll figure out the criteria there, not critical atm.17:50
rookSo either A) setup a SLA for services, or B) Trend the performance over time.17:50
rookI think B we do regardless17:50
rookbut we need a ELK instance17:51
weshaydmsimard, rook was wondering if we have any infra we could use for ELK in RDO ci17:51
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jkilpatrI'm alive17:51
dmsimardweshay: software factory will eventually have an ELK implementation, they are working on it as we speak and there are already POCs out as I understand it17:52
rookhe lived through his internship!17:52
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dmsimardweshay: would that be okay or you're looking for something standalone ?17:52
rookdmsimard as long as we can index results I don't see a issue.17:52
weshaydmsimard, I'm just the messenger, rook is looking for it.. some context17:52
rookcreate and query from ELK.17:52
weshayhewbrocca-afk, wants to see browbeat tests gating at the rdo level to catch issues w/ perf17:53
dmsimardrook: where are those logs coming from ?17:53
jkilpatrwe just need a place to shove data essentially, lots of data17:53
rookdmsimard: logs?17:53
rooksorry, we are not using logstash17:53
rookdmsimard: we have a Elastic connector for Browbeat to index results from our Rally and Shaker runs17:53
dmsimardrook: ELK is Elasticsearch Logstash Kibana :P17:53
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rookdmsimard makes more sense then saying cna you give me a EK stack17:53
rookcan you give me a eck stack17:53
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rookoh, eck isn't here so that isn't funny17:54
dmsimardrook: is this something temporary/poc or something permanent ?17:54
rookanyhoo... if we have a EK instance :D -- we can trend performance./17:54
rookpreferably permanent17:54
rookwe can obviously use elastidump and save off results.17:54
dmsimardrook: ok, and do you have an idea of the requirements (i.e, size, retention)17:55
rookdmsimard size, no idea -- when wfoster gets back maybe he can scope that... retention, we do not set a ttl on our data.17:55
rookit should be small enough that we don't have to throw away anything17:55
jkilpatrrook, if we're doing constant tests we should probably think about a ttl17:55
rookwe do not want to throw away data IMHO.17:56
rookunless it is bs data.17:56
rookthe idea is to trend performance over time.17:56
dmsimardrook: well, I mean, depending on the size of each run it might be unrealistic to keep data forever17:56
rookif we see some function in neutron is growing with each patch/release we should spend some time there.17:56
dmsimardrook: you can either tweak retention or the resolution of the data17:56
rookdmsimard: true.17:56
rookI think we could archive it... it is just txt, i am sure it can compress very easily.17:57
dmsimardrook: who's going to manage that server ?17:57
rookI think release to release would suffice.17:57
rookdmsimard: there was another thought to house this in trystack17:57
rookhowever, my trystack homies are not around...17:57
rookkambiz wfoster ^17:57
dmsimardWe have capacity, just trying to understand what you need :)17:58
rookI would like to be able to compare release to release. so maybe a years worth of data, so anything > 365 days, we can start phasing out.17:58
dmsimardrook: back to my question, who's going to manage that server ?17:58
rookall my indexes will be per-day.17:59
rookdmsimard wfoster & or kambiz17:59
rookwfoster: more than likely.17:59
rookhe has the most experience w/ EK17:59
dmsimardrook: can you formalize this in an email (with the infos we just discussed) ? I'll set you something up. I'll need SSH keys.18:00
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rookalright - weshay it isn't a hard req, we can get things going w/o the ek piece.18:01
zodbotrook: Karma for dmsimard changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle):
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weshayrook, aye18:01
dmsimardrook: try to come up with an initial disk size req that makes sense (and we can grow the volume as we outgrow that initial need as required)18:02
rookdmsimard: rgr. wfoster will take point on that and the management piece. thanks!18:04
rookweshay: I need to pick someone up from the airport... jkilpatr please field any questions weshay might have :D18:04
rookHere is to progress!18:04
jkilpatrrook, will do18:05
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dmsimardnumber80: wtf18:17
dmsimardnumber80: how can something be licensed under both public domain and MIT simultaneously ?18:18
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dmsimardweshay: so did you end up pinning the master promote job ?18:25
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weshaydmsimard, no.. I just made the suggestion18:27
dmsimardweshay: what's the ETA on that cinder issue fix ?18:27
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dmsimardI'm okay with pinning for the sake of promoting but ideally just for short periods.. if we pin for too long, we lose visibility on other upcoming issues18:28
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dmsimardalternatively, if we keep hold of a hash that we know should work once the cinder fix lands, we can run a promote job on that hash if no promotion occurs in the meantime18:30
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jschlueterdmsimard: where is the promote job again for master? /me failing to locate it18:31
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dmsimardI'm not someone who stresses (too much) around the frequency of promotions, we're not sitting idle and everyone is fixing problems identified by the pipeline and that's one of it's primary purposes :)18:31
jschlueterdmsimard: thanks18:32
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imcsk8 /lastlog imcsk818:48
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weshayand we're back to failing jobs19:30
dmsimardweshay: you need to get used to it, trunk breaks all the time. Thus is life :)19:35
weshaydmsimard, I'm used to it19:35
weshaydmsimard, it markmc who needs a build for osp19:35
weshaydmsimard, understand that if rdo does not promote.. qe is sitting on their hands waiting for a build19:36
weshaydmsimard, I think I have a way to get us out of this hell hole..19:36
dmsimardweshay: I told you we could pin if that tripleo cinder fix was coming soon -- or alternatively kick a promote job on a "known good" hash once the cinder fix landed but you didn't get back to me regarding an ETA19:36
weshaydmsimard, will run it by you19:36
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dmsimardweshay: this is what one of the packstack job is failing on, likely to be the same thing for the other jobs19:37
dmsimard2016-08-10 19:26:35.458 10624 ERROR nova ConfigFileValueError: Value for option vncserver_proxyclient_address is not valid: is not IPv4 or IPv6 address19:37
dmsimardInterestingly puppet-openstack doesn't have that problem so it's probably something in Packstack.19:38
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dmsimardprobably broken by
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imcsk8dmsimard: is this the job?
dmsimardimcsk8: no19:42
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imcsk8dmsimard: which one is it to see if i can do something on the packstack side19:44
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dmsimardimcsk8: I'm inquiring on #openstack-nova about this19:48
dmsimardimcsk8: they broke backwards compat without a release note19:48
dmsimardthey changed an oslo setting from stropt to ipopt19:48
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EmilienMdmsimard: does it break packstack only?19:53
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dmsimardEmilienM: puppet jobs seem to have passed19:54
EmilienMyeah we use IP19:54
dmsimardI'm filing a bug anyway19:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1611940 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "vncserver_proxyclient_address changed from stropt to ipopt, beaking backwards compat without deprecation" [Undecided,New]19:55
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dmsimardimcsk8: so the problem is here:
dmsimardimcsk8: this setting is expected to be an ip address, not a hostname:
dmsimardThey're already partially reverting the change in but we shouldn't let that get in the way of putting whatever the config expects20:10
* dmsimard shrugs20:11
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imcsk8dmsimard: sorry i was checking other stuff. vnc works with ip addresses and hostnames so nova shouldn't restrict that20:41
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dmsimardEmilienM: o/20:54
dmsimardEmilienM: what do you think about putting puppet-openstack scenarios in the upstream tripleoci promotion pipeline ?20:55
dmsimardEmilienM: I don't have much visibility in the periodic jobs that run to promote the tripleoci repository but perhaps even non-voting would be good insight20:56
EmilienMyeah, I mentionned the idea during the last tripleo meeting20:56
dmsimardi.e, puppet-openstack passed but tripleo didn't (or vice-versa)20:56
dmsimardweshay: ^20:56
weshayEmilienM, we can have sshnaidm|afk and panda help watch it20:57
EmilienMit's a lot of work20:58
EmilienMjust fyi20:58
dmsimardEmilienM: what is ?20:58
dmsimardEmilienM: watching CI ?20:58
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EmilienMcreating tripleo environments to have same scenarios as puppet ci20:58
EmilienMI have currently zero bandwith for it20:58
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dmsimardEmilienM: I don't think you follow, I mean just doing something similar to what we're doing with upstream tempest except configure whatever delorean repository tripleoci is testing20:59
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EmilienMsory sorry20:59
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EmilienMI don't see the value21:00
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EmilienMbut my brain is currently multi tasking on different problems21:01
dmsimardEmilienM: The value would be knowing that puppet-openstack works (or not) on that specific repository as a sanity check at a quick glance... i.e, is it a tripleo specific problem or something else21:01
weshayEmilienM, the value is tripleo doesn't update it's pin until puppet passes21:02
EmilienMif you look at
EmilienMpuppet CI is always ahead of tripleo CI21:02
EmilienMbut yeah, maybe it's useful to compare when one of both fail21:02
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dmsimardPuppet promotion will always be ahead of TripleO and TripleO will always be ahead of RDO - otherwise would surprise me. RDO uses both TripleO and Puppet (and Packstack!) as a means of promoting.21:05
dmsimardPackstack doesn't have it's own promotion process, it uses whatever is in current-passed-ci -- but we could have that too if we wanted to (although I don't have the bandwidth to maintain that)21:06
EmilienMso yeah, adding puppet would make sense21:06
dmsimardWell, especially considering the fact that TripleO ultimately consumes puppet. If Puppet is broken then there are good chances TripleO will be as well. I believe it would make pinpointing the problems a bit easier with a base for comparison.21:07
EmilienMactually no21:08
EmilienMpuppet can be broken and tripleo fine21:08
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EmilienMregarding coverage, puppet cover much more things21:08
EmilienMex: barbican21:08
EmilienMsomething can be broken in barbican, it will break puppet CI but not tripleo CI21:09
dmsimardEmilienM: but we just agreed that puppet ci will always be ahead of tripleo ci :)21:09
dmsimardbut I guess you're right21:09
EmilienMI am not against your proposal21:10
EmilienMI'm just try to stay optimal21:10
EmilienMand take in consideration our resources21:10
dmsimardEmilienM: the tripleo ci promote job runs once nightly21:10
dmsimardEmilienM: it's not a huge stretch to run 3 more jobs once a day21:10
dmsimardwho's the right person to ask ? derekh ?21:11
EmilienMtripleo ML21:11
EmilienMor tripleo irc21:11
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dmsimardEmilienM: right, I guess we can start a thread21:13
dmsimardweshay: do you want to spearehead that ? ^21:13
weshaydmsimard, sure21:14
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number80dmsimard: you can, technically, some countries don't allow you to put code in public domain21:29
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dmsimardI always have to lookup the syntax in bash to default a variable to something else. For some reason it can't get in my damn brain. /rant21:44
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number80bash expansion, yeah unintuitive21:48
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number80${X:=Y} is easier to remember but it doesn't work well in some cases21:49
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dmsimardweshay: I was going to send a review to parameterize the get-hash job to be able to override the delorean.repo URL but I think I'll wait for trown to be back to hear what he thinks.21:54
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dmsimardweshay: it looks like we might have a shot at promotion soon when lands22:03
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EmilienMdmsimard: I like how people approve patches when CI is not passing22:10
dmsimardEmilienM: well eharney has a point22:10
dmsimardsee his comment22:10
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dmsimardEmilienM: and you're also guilty of that sometimes as well :P22:11
EmilienMahah nice comment22:11
EmilienM(I do the same on puppet patches)22:11
EmilienM"It's not 2012 any more, guys."22:11
dmsimardIT'S NOT 2012 ANYMORE GUYS22:11
dmsimard /thread22:11
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EmilienMeharney: believe me, you don't want to know how some OpenStack CIs are working, some projects don't have functional testing voting jobs22:12
EmilienMcinder is probably good but I saw some projects recently that didn't run tempest22:13
EmilienMI'm glad reviewers are responsive though22:14
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EmilienMso I won't tell anyone I spent all my day for a workaround in puppet22:17
EmilienM(re- cinder)22:17
dmsimardEmilienM: if anything, Cinder is probably one of the projects with the most CI jobs that runs on every review lol22:20
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EmilienMdmsimard: they have good third party CI right22:20
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dmsimardEmilienM: Well, vendors with a driver in Cinder have a vested interest in making sure their stuff doesn't break I guess22:21
dmsimardSame with Neutron22:21
dmsimardand god knows there's a lot of storage and network vendors :)22:21
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