Wednesday, 2016-07-27

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rdogerrithguemar proposed openstack/heatclient-distgit: Added py2 and py3 subpackage
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jschlueterweshay: nice! glad to hear!!!!01:27
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danpawliknumber80: Hello, if you can, please write comments on github page ( I was off about one week and I forgot what I should change in spec file.  I will be very grateful :)07:30 bug 1350974 in Package Review "Openstack python-watcherclient" [Unspecified,Assigned] - Assigned to karlthered07:30
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number80EmilienM: I confirmed that new node.js build fixes  Puppet modules CI >
number80danpawlik: ack07:42
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Guest_84847Allah is doing07:45
Guest_84847sun is not doing Allah is doing07:45
Guest_84847moon is not doing Allah is doing07:45
Guest_84847stars are not doing Allah is doing07:45
Guest_84847planets are not doing Allah is doing07:46
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Guest_84847galaxies are not doing Allah is doing07:46
Guest_84847oceans are not doing Allah is doing07:46
Guest_84847mountains are not doing Allah is doing07:46
Guest_84847trees are not doing Allah is doing07:46
Guest_84847mom is not doing Allah is doing07:47
Guest_84847dad is not doing Allah is doing07:47
Guest_84847boss is not doing Allah is doing07:47
Guest_84847job is not doing Allah is doing07:47
Guest_84847dollar is not doing Allah is doing07:47
Guest_84847degree is not doing Allah is doing07:47
Guest_84847medicine is not doing Allah is doing07:48
Guest_84847customers are not doing Allah is doing07:48
Guest_84847you can not get a job without the permission of allan07:48
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Guest_84847you can not get a job without the permission of allah07:49
Guest_84847you can not get married without the permission of allah07:49
Guest_84847nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah07:50
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Guest_84847light is not doing Allah is doing07:50
Guest_84847fan is not doing Allah is doing07:51
Guest_84847businessess are not doing Allah is doing07:51
Guest_84847america is not doing Allah is doing07:51
Guest_84847fire can not burn without the permission of allah07:51
Guest_84847knife can not cut without the permission of allah07:52
Guest_84847rulers are not doing Allah is doing07:52
Guest_84847governments are not doing Allah is doing07:52
Guest_84847sleep is not doing Allah is doing07:53
Guest_84847hunger is not doing Allah is doing07:53
Guest_84847food does not take away the hunger Allah takes away the hunger07:53
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Guest_84847water does not take away the thirst allah takes away the thirst07:54
Guest_84847seeing is not doing Allah is doing07:54
Guest_84847hearing is not doing Allah is doing07:54
Guest_84847seasons are not doing Allah is doing07:54
Guest_84847weather is not doing Allah is doing07:54
Guest_84847humans are not doing Allah is doing07:54
Guest_84847animals are not doing Allah is doing07:55
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Guest_84847the best amongst you are those who learn and then teach quran07:56
kashyapI lost my ops, once apevec is around, probably he can kick this schmuck out.07:57
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Guest_84847one letter read from book of Allah amounts to one good deed and Allah multiplies one good deed ten times07:57
Guest_84847hearts get rusted as does iron with water to remove rust from heart recitation of Quran and rememberance of death07:58
Guest_84847heart is likened to a mirror07:58
Guest_84847when a person commits one sin a black dot sustains the heart07:59
Guest_84847to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger08:00
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Guest_84847read book http://www.fazaileamaal.com08:00
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Guest_84847read book http://www.muntakhabahadith.com08:00
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Guest_84847need spiritual teacher visit
Guest_84847allah created the sky without any pillars08:01
danpawlikGuest_84847: shut up08:02
Guest_84847allah makes the sun rise from the east and Allah makes the sun set in the west08:02
Guest_84847allah makes the day into the night and Allah makes the night into the day08:02
Guest_84847allah gives life and Allah gives death08:03
Guest_84847all creation are useless,worthless,hopeless08:03
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kashyapdanpawlik: It's a spam bot that is triggerred :-(  Trying to get Freenode staff to kick him out, while someone w/ ops permissions come online08:10
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danpawlikkashyap: I hate bots/.08:10
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danpawlikkashyap: it's interesting because one time I want to send few messages in small part of time and I have receive message from freenode that it will kick me out if I will do one more time08:12
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kashyapdanpawlik: I think you were logged in or something?08:14
kashyapI don't know this (non-)user has been spamming other Freenode channels I participate too08:14
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imcsk8apevec: this is the spec file for glance that we're currently using in delorean right?
apevecimcsk8, yes, that's used to build master/Newton trunk RPM08:42
imcsk8i'm not sure why this is not happening in other palces than my test setups but the renaming of the glance-api-paste.ini to glance-api-dist-paste.ini always gives me an error08:43
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apevecimcsk8, hmm, something must be missing08:46
apevecimcsk8, do you have dist.conf too ?08:46
apevecthey should point to dist-paste.ini08:46
imcsk8apevec: let me check08:47
apevecimcsk8, which rpm NVRs are involved, openstack-glance, python-oslo-config in particular ?08:47
apevecalso, isn't it like 3am your place?! :)08:48
imcsk8yes it is08:48
imcsk8buy i was working testing for some bugs and watching a larry wall presentation on perl 608:48
apevecin general, that's bad time of the day to do debugging  :)08:49
imcsk8also i lost a lot of time fixing my air conditioner in the afternoon08:49
apevecunless it's too hot during the day?08:49
apevecso that sounds like it was too hot during the day :)08:49
imcsk8it's really hot i actually had to fix the air conditioner because i was getting sleepy and couldn't concentrate. we're between 40-45 during the day08:50
apevecand I complain to 28degC08:50
imcsk8hahaha that's cool right now in my hometown08:51
imcsk8this at 9:00 we were 31 degrees08:51
imcsk8(this morning) or yesterdays morning to be more accurate08:51
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imcsk8anyway it's been a while since i'm having this problem. BTW i don't have a dist.conf file08:52
imcsk8i like to leave packstack tests running in the night so when i wake up i can check them out, but with this problem i have to copy the file manually08:53
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socialO,o reading backlog today seems like spiritual experience08:56
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imcsk8see you tomorrow guys09:00
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apevecsocial, you mean conf files gone missing like a ghost? :)09:01
socialapevec: conf files missing and spam bot talking about bot >.>09:01
apevecimcsk8|zZz, godd night, BTW dist.confg is one line above the where you linked on github09:01
imcsk8|zZzapevec: yeah i have it: /usr/share/glance/glance-api-dist.conf09:03
imcsk8|zZzbut it appears to be ignored09:04
apevecimcsk8|zZz, then your python-oslo-config is not right, which exact NVR  is it?09:05
apevecthere's non-upstream patch in our RPM to make it look into /usr/share/09:05
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apevecsocial, aha, now I see it in eavesdrop, silly bot, looks like kashyap took care of it09:05
apevecI guess we could configure the channel to not allow Guest* ?09:07
imcsk8|zZzapevec: python2-oslo-config 3.13.109:07
apevecimcsk8|zZz, full NVR09:08
apevecRelease: part too09:08
apevecI'd like to trace it back, to see if that patch is applied or not09:08
imcsk8|zZzapevec: i know what my problem is, my script is installing oslo.config (3.13.0)09:09
apevecpip install?09:09
imcsk8|zZzi don't remember why but i have this: easy_install oslo.privsep09:10
imcsk8|zZzi'll remove that and check if my problem persists09:10
apevecah maybe before that was package09:10
apevecjust remove it09:10
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apevecthis pulls oslo.config from pypi09:10
apevecand overwrites RPM09:10
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imcsk8|zZzyeah i deleted that from my deploy script09:11
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imcsk8|zZzi forgot to delete that from previous tests09:12
imcsk8|zZznow i can go to sleep09:12
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unxiutedhi all09:27
unxiutedcan I ask here a question related to packstack mitaka install and mistral usage?09:29
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rdogerritMerged rdoinfo: Initial pin for Oslo and OpenStack clients
ihrachysapevec: number80: social: wanted to check with you. are there any blockers from neutron side for RDO master right now?09:38
socialihrachys: the issue we had can be reproduced only when there is high cpu load, I haven't managed to reproduce it since yesterday evening09:40
ihrachyssocial: the one with native ovsdb right? other than that, all clear?09:41
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zigonumber80: Please approve my patch:
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zigo(and comment that as RDO maintainer, you want this to happen)09:44
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number80zigo: I'll give it a look09:45
zigonumber80: FYI, I tried opening a bug about it before, but it didn't work.09:45
zigoPackaging the last version, I got bored, and did that patch upstream.09:45
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zigoWe also need to fix using external resources.09:45
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number80Javascript is an ancient swahili word that means "I want to make distro packagers life a living hell :)"09:48
mrunge+1 number8009:50
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number80while reviewing tripleo-ui, i found out that some bundled libs were bundling colocated libs and some of them were doing it too09:51
number80and in one case, I confirmed, it was different versions09:52
number80security jobs will have a bright future with javascript09:53
mrungenot to forget golang09:53
number80well, I have hope that they will switch to gcc for production code one day09:53
number80even google uses gcc-go and shared libs in some projects09:53
mrungenot using static linking would help09:54
mrungeencouraging people to use "released" software rather than pulling commits from github directly would help too09:54
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apevecmrunge, number80 - but but isn't "git push" a hipster release?10:30
hewbroccagit push | twitter10:37
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apevecreminder: add agenda topics to
apevecI've added newton2 testday re-run proposal10:47
apevec(now that we have current-passed-ci since yesterday)10:47
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jschlueterapevec: was yesterday's manually promoted?11:14
* jschlueter trying to find rdo-trunk-deps.txt to go along with promoted RDO trunk newton/current-passed-ci repo11:15
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apevecjschlueter, yes, but deps should be included in artifacts by default...11:17
apeveclemme check11:17
jschlueterrdo-trunk-deps.txt I have to pull from a jenkins job11:17
apevecah yes11:17
jschlueter the second half of integrating this with anything in RDO was not done so I have to maintain this outside of RDO infra and will have to ping when things break11:19
apevecjschlueter, this was the job
jschlueterapevec: thanks11:20
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pandaError unpacking rpm package python-requests-2.10.0-1.el7.noarch11:41
panda error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/requests/packages/chardet11:41
mrungerequests bundles chardet?11:41
mrungepanda, could you please fetch the package again=11:41
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apevecpanda, mrunge - that's indication of pip install/rpm  mixup11:45
pandamrunge: this happened twice ... got the error, re-run after 10 minutes, got the error again11:45
apevecpanda, you had pip installed requests ?11:45
mrungeuse of pip should be forbidden11:45
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apevecmrunge, just not mixed w/ RPMs11:46
apevecpip install in venv, not system wide, ever11:46
mrungeor pip should be patched to install packages from rpms11:46
pandaapevec: no, this happens after trying to install tripleo client from package11:46
apevecmrunge, that's separate discussion and it is in progress11:46
apevecpanda, but is it a clean minimal OS image?11:46
pandaapevec: but I'm also using tripleo repo ..11:46
apevecpanda, which exact repos are enabled?11:47
pandadelorean-openstack-cinder-53ac6152735cb1353a3fe0eb91c97a02f541f167 delorean-openstack-ironic-inspector-823f6d26a20a1d00b8b0ca788a2d45279189ab5911:47
apevecand where is the base image coming from? Which job is that?11:47
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pandaapevec: I'm using the tripleo undecloud/jenkins slave base image from yesterday11:48
apevecwhat is 'jenkins slave base image' ?11:49
pandaI also have newton testing repo enabled11:49
pandaapevec: it's the base image tripleo ci is using for its periodic jobs11:49
apevecit's not the repo issue, it's base image which has something pre-installed11:49
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pandaapevec: ok, I'll look at what is preinstalled then, thanks.11:50
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apeveccheck rpm -qf /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/requests/packages/chardet before you run yum, it will be unowned by rpm i.e. pip-installed11:51
apevecin RPM that's a symlink (python-requests RPM is unbundling and using python-chardet RPM)11:52
apevecactually, rpm -qf  on files in chardet folder11:53
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number80mrunge: if we let requests maintainers, they'd even bundle the kernel in requests ...11:55
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number80they already enforces us to ship the exact same version of urllib3 as the one embedded in requests11:55
number80(or they'd ask us to stop distributing requests)11:55
apevecnumber80, I think that's a fine compromise11:56
number80apevec: well, if everyone did that, it would be impossible11:57
apevecafaict they work closely with urllib3 so that's fine to keep them in sync11:58
number80yup, it works but some people uses independently urllib311:58
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number80they should just merge projects IMHO12:00
number80I had hard times upstream, explaining that we can't bump independently urllib3 from requests12:01
number80and bumping requests can break other projects12:01
apevecthose other projects should be fixed to work with latest requests12:02
apevecanyway, separate issue from pip/rpm mix that panda is hitting12:02
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rdogerritAlan Pevec proposed rdoinfo: Add openstack-tripleo-ui
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rdogerritAlan Pevec proposed rdoinfo: Add openstack-tripleo-ui
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pandaapevec: you were right: already present, unowned12:18
rdogerritHonza Pokorny proposed rdoinfo: Add openstack-tripleo-ui
apevecpanda, is that upstream DIB created image? They pre-install requests iirc12:19
rdogerritHonza Pokorny proposed rdoinfo: Add openstack-tripleo-ui
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weshayapevec, pabelanger would be able to answer that12:21
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pandaapevec: it is, but they don't preinstall tripleo client ... which requires requests from package ... I don't know how they do it, I'll find out.12:23
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pabelangerweshay: apevec: answer which?12:30
weshaypabelanger, how the nodepool images are built12:31
toskyapevec: ehm... that package :)12:31
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pabelangerweshay: apevec: We use diskimage-builder upstream which builds images once a day and uploads them.12:31
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rdogerritFrederic Lepied created DLRN: display which git branch is being processed
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rdogerritFrederic Lepied created DLRN: Fix error when data dir doesn't exist and nothing is built
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jjoycenumber80: Anything I can do to help with an aodh 2.0.3 build?13:16
number80jjoyce: it's just stuck on my workstation, between other tasks but it's ready13:16
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jjoycenumber80: awesome13:17
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number80no wonder, I can be a grumpy smurf with so many // tasks :)13:19
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rdogerritHonza Pokorny proposed rdoinfo: Add openstack-tripleo-ui
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dmsimardrbowen: so we got a promotion, should we do a test day this week or early next week maybe ?13:27
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rbowendmsimard: I asked that on rdo-list, and I interpreted the consensus as, no, let's just wait for N313:28
dmsimardI understood that as yes, N3 is far away13:29
* dmsimard re-reads13:29
rbowenYou'r right.13:29
rbowenI ... clearly misread.13:29
rbowenWait until next promotion and schedule a test day the next week.13:29
rbowenM3 is too far away and we have little visibility for now to set a date in stone.13:29
dmsimardhappens to the best of us :)13:29
rbowenSo ... August 4, 5?13:29
trownnow we have visiblility into when it will be promoted :)13:29
trownhindsight being 20/20 and all13:30
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dmsimard4, 5 is a bit far away -- but it's probably too last minute to schedule something tomorrow/friday13:30
dmsimardtrown is going away on "vacation" next week I think13:30
rbowenI have an all-day event tomorrow at University of Kentucky. OpenStack 6th Birthday thingy.13:31
trownlol, not vacation, but ya I will be out the next 4 weeks on paternity leave13:31
dmsimardtrown: hence the double quotes13:31
trownI know :P13:32
dmsimardrbowen: you know what, let's put it on today's agenda and decide there13:32
dmsimardsomeone beat me to it, it's already there13:32
apevectrown, DTO - Diaper Time On ?13:32
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dmsimardtrown: aren't those few first diapers surprising if you've never seen those before ? :p13:33
trownlol, it is my second13:33
trownand I do quite a bit of diaper changing now :)13:34
socialtrown: did you hit the neutron issue since yesterday?13:34
trownsocial: no we are a bit blind because there is some earlier real issue in CI, havent dug into it yet13:35
trown'ClientManager' object has no attribute '_url' when registering nodes13:35
apevectrown, get-hash is now taking consistent ?13:35
trownapevec: ya, I switched it back after we promoted13:36
apevectrown, yeah, just wanted to say that we're back to OSC/clients issue13:36
apevecit's in mistralclient as slagle said13:36
apevecbut I'm not sure if anyone is working on it13:36
apevecon mistral side13:36
socialtrown: I keep failing to hit the issue now so I think it's something like, only 3 days before full moon in middle of summer thing13:37
trownsocial: ya I could never reproduce it locally too13:37
apevecsocial, run some cpuhog process then try again :)13:37
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socialapevec: yesterday I was watching movie while running tripleo install in nested virt, only thing I got was from time to time characters repeating last words for half a minute, just like broken vinil13:38
trownapevec: oh nice looks like there is patch up for it
apevecsocial, so that was vice versa :) tripleo killing your video13:39
apevectrown, ok, let's make that numbered issue in the etherpad13:40
trownapevec: that is how I found the patch :)13:40
trownour etherpad is working13:40
apevecah, somebody update that cool13:40
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sc`dmsimard: chef is still alive! i have patches to bring newton in to master, but integration is a mess13:49
sc`it converges, but tempest is unhappy13:50
sc`once all of the patches land, i'll refocus on the integration builds13:51
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apevecreview.o.o 503 isitjustme?13:52
-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is being restarted now to relieve performance degradation13:53
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sc`apevec: gerrit went in a gc death spiral and had to be restarted. it wasn't just you13:55
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EmilienMdmsimard: thanks for your reply on the swift thing, blaming puppet-swift was not a good idea (cc number80), since package broke14:03
EmilienMbut we all know number80 likes to blame puppet :)14:03
dmsimardsc`: np, my plate is full right now14:04
dmsimardsc`: lots of cool things coming for RDO though :p14:04
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trownblaming is a bad idea in general... we all try to make RDO better14:08
dmsimardtrown: I think it's better to retrospect and just learn things out of this14:09
dmsimardand things were learnt indeed14:09
EmilienMyou gave the definition of agile I think :P14:09
EmilienMso much green
dmsimardEmilienM: agile != learn from your mistakes14:10
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dmsimardEmilienM: and when you do a mistake, don't do the same mistake twice14:10
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dmsimardI'm not going to turn the knife in the wound or anything but I explained this very exact scenario in my blog post 2 weeks back
dmsimard"The reality is that while the packages may build successfully, they could actually be broken. We could potentially carry bad systemd unit files, bad config, missing runtime dependencies, etc."14:12
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number80Well, I'm tired since nobody get the point that we have to ship packages with huge technical debt since we can never change puppet modules14:14
number80that was the point14:14
slagleapevec: trown : i updated the etherpad. thrash is working on it14:15
number80or make impossible some changes like splitting services14:15
dmsimardnumber80: we can change the puppet modules just like we can change the installers -- it's a matter of not shovelling backwards incompatible changes downstream (just like upstream does)14:15
trownslagle: ya saw that, thanks!14:16
dmsimardlet's be a good upstream and not shovel backwards incompat changes14:16
number80dmsimard: in that case, assuming openstack-swift needs to be installing was wrong14:16
number80it had nothing useful14:16
dmsimardnumber80: but openstack-swift has always existed and now suddenly it does not14:16
dmsimardnumber80: so not only we're breaking puppet but we're breaking everyone who uses that package and not necessarily just puppet users14:16
number80dmsimard: it was properly replace and obsoleted14:16
dmsimardthere are other means of installing openstack14:16
dmsimardyum install openstack-swift no longer worked14:17
dmsimardbefore it worked14:17
number80no it worked14:17
number80yum knows about virtual provides14:17
number80I agree that requires a change in puppet-swift14:17
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number80but we all jump on introducing hacks into packaging which is wrong14:17
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dmsimardso it was a allow_virtual thing again then ?14:18
dmsimardI thought we no longer had that issue14:18
number80all i want is some window in the cycle to allow cleaning up the crufts14:19
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dmsimardEmilienM: could that allow_virtual thing be added to the puppet-openstacklib new defaults class ?14:20
dmsimardwait that's already there14:21
dmsimardso how did we hit that again, then ? openstacklib::defaults is included in swift::params14:21
EmilienMin mitaka?14:21
EmilienMI'm not sure chem backported it14:22
dmsimardno, number80 said we were hitting that in newton14:22
dmsimardI'll try and find logs, the log line we have in the etherpad isn't explicit14:22
dmsimardAll it says is "[PKG] yum -d 0 -e 0 -y install openstack-swift' returned 1: [ apevec ] [fixed]"14:22
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rdogerritJakub Ruzicka created rdopkg: Update to 0.38
apevecdmsimard, that was before provides was added14:25
apevecbetween Pete's original change and number80's followup fix14:25
dmsimardapevec: yeah but number80 says the obsoletes should've been enough14:26
apevecthen we had one more followup for upgrades on trunk14:26
apevecdmsimard, it would for upgrades14:26
number80well, trunk upgrades has never been supported14:26
dmsimardapevec: supporting trunk to trunk upgrades is silly14:26
dmsimardapevec: I'm all for supporting stable to trunk14:26
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apevecbut not for yum install openstack-swift backward compat14:26
dmsimardbut trunk to trunk..14:26
apevecwe'll need it for real CD14:27
rdogerritMerged rdopkg: Update to 0.38
apevecanyway, this is all fixed now, we just need better CI coverage on distgit, that's the lesson learned14:27
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number80But well, assuming that packages will never change is not possible14:29
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number80we don't always get it right the first time, we can't prevent bad changes to be merged etc..14:29
apevecnumber80, yes, but we can provide enough backward compat14:29
number80for glance, it was not possible14:30
number80from RPM PoV, it was perfectly compatible14:30
number80but well, I'm one voice14:31
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dmsimardnumber80: we can prevent bad changes to be merged14:31
dmsimardthat's the whole point of doing in-gate CI14:31
number80if everyone disagree with ne, that means I'm wrong14:31
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number80dmsimard: CI can't test bad packaging changes like incorrect splitting14:32
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number80for instance14:32
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dmsimardWhy not ?14:32
number80upstream foo project add a foo-cache service14:32
number80it breaks CI as there's a new binary14:33
dmsimard(and it'd probably break dlrn too but go on)14:33
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number80to fix CI, someone just push it to the foo-register package14:33
number80puppet-foo notice that and install foo-register wherever it needs food-cache14:33
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number80results: we are compelled to bundle foo-cache and foo-register forever14:34
dmsimardok, I kind of see where you're going14:34
number80the problem is the tight coupling14:34
number80that's also *my* fault as I don't know enough puppet to fix it in puppet-foo14:35
dmsimardReminder: Meeting at 15:00UTC (<30 minutes from now), agenda at
number80and when I get requests to do the split or help reducing installation size churn, well, it's mission impossible in that condition14:36
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dmsimardnumber80: so 1) I think with the planned CI we're going to bump from 0% coverage to ~60% so there's that, it's not going to catch everything but it'll catch most of it14:37
dmsimard2) We're going to be in the exact same position as upstream re: backwards incompat changes14:37
dmsimardre #2: Are we going to block ourselves from moving forward because downstream consumers (puppet, installers) are failing a particular change14:37
dmsimardit's the same logic that was mentioned for example when telemetry added cotyledon, it was added upstream before it was packaged in RDO so it broke RDO.14:38
number80well, that's why I prefer we have faster reviews14:38
jruzickanumber80, I'd like to get this done today:
number80as soon as you ship package, you must case about compat14:38
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number80jruzicka: we can't the blocker is that the spec file parsing code requires a module that is not installable by pip14:39
jruzickaoh, the job can't install RPM?14:39
number80option 3. /me getting more vacations14:39
dmsimardnumber80: I don't think there is a right answer14:40
dmsimardnumber80: either we do like upstream and screw everyone up by cleaning stuff up and not caring about backwards compat .. or we don't14:40
dmsimardwe could have deprecation periods or something, I don't know14:41
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number80I'm sorry that people thought I was saying that "puppet folks are screwing"14:41
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number80packaging screw up too, but i'd like some space to clean up that shit14:42
number80because there's no end at it14:42
dmsimardIt's fine to clean stuff, can we do it in a way that is backwards-compatible for a defined deprecation period ?14:43
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dmsimardI have no clue what I'm talking about by the way, I'm not a packager -- asking genuine questions here :)14:43
number80the problem is that backward compatible means two things: b-c for RPM, b-c for puppet14:44
number80that's not exactlythe same thing14:44
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number80well, I'm putting back that topic in the closet for a while14:45
socialtrown: even with load 30+ I don't hit it anymore :(14:45
dmsimardnumber80, apevec: fyi we got better RCIP capacity for nodepool. Double the cores and double the VMs (to help us ramp up faster integration testing)14:46
trownsocial: well at least we have CI results to prove it did happen at some point :P14:46
dmsimardI'm going to adjust nodepool weighting so that more jobs run on rcipo14:47
trownsocial: otherwise people might say you are crazy14:47
socialtrown: I'm crazy anyway14:47
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jruzickanumber80, dmsimard given upstream handling of backward compat and our resources, I think we must prefer clean stuff over backward compat14:49
apevecdepends, we can't just break it w/o any concerns14:50
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apevec_some_ changes might be backward compat, but then we'll work w/ our consumer (puppet etc) to fix them in advance14:50
jruzickamy feeling is the stuff always breaks all over the place and that's the price for rapid development14:51
apevecthat's why we need moar CI to warn us14:51
number80jruzicka: I'll just ignore that topic for a moment as it'll just end up getting me more depressed over it14:51
rbowenRDO meeting in 10 --
apevecjruzicka, breaking all over the place shouldn't be the norm14:51
apevecwe can do better14:51
jruzickain my unpopular opinion, it IS the norm in OpenStack14:52
apevecbut yeah, let's table this until we have an concrete example at hand14:52
jruzickaI don't se how we as packagers can change that14:52
apevecjruzicka, moar CI14:52
apevecthing is that upstream doesn't have good coverage, that's where we will help14:53
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jruzickafair enough, CI does help.14:53
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apevecand now.. review.r.o dead orjustme?14:54
jruzickaapevec, me too14:54
apevecdmsimard, ^ will sensu detectet it?14:55
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dmsimardapevec: I'm reloading the config should be up soob14:55
dmsimardchandankumar: you going to chair, right ?14:57
chandankumardmsimard, yes14:57
dmsimardapevec: fyi storage on internal dlrn again14:58
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chandankumar#startmeeting RDO meeting - 2016-07-2715:01
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dmsimardsilence you15:01
chandankumar#topic Roll Call15:01
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chandankumar#chair trown dmsimard jschlueter mengxd social richm coolsvap imcsk8 apevec15:02
zodbotCurrent chairs: apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard imcsk8 jschlueter mengxd richm social trown15:02
openstackCurrent chairs: apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard imcsk8 jschlueter mengxd richm social trown15:02
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chandankumar#chair jjoyce15:02
zodbotCurrent chairs: apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd richm social trown15:02
openstackCurrent chairs: apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd richm social trown15:02
chandankumarSo starting with first topic15:02
chandankumar#topic  Newton2 testday re-run on July 28-29 ?15:03
chandankumar#chair flepied adarazs15:03
openstackCurrent chairs: adarazs apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard flepied imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd richm social trown15:03
zodbotCurrent chairs: adarazs apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard flepied imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd richm social trown15:03
chandankumarapevec, please go ahead15:03
apevecwe have passed CI since yesterday, so let's do testday re-run asap15:03
apeveci.e. this week15:03
chandankumar#chair number8015:03
zodbotCurrent chairs: adarazs apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard flepied imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd number80 richm social trown15:03
openstackCurrent chairs: adarazs apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard flepied imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd number80 richm social trown15:03
number80too short notice maybe?15:03
apevecyeah, but delying is not better15:03
number80next week would still leave one month between M2 test day and M315:04
chandankumar#chair weshay15:04
zodbotCurrent chairs: adarazs apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard flepied imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd number80 richm social trown weshay15:04
openstackCurrent chairs: adarazs apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard flepied imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd number80 richm social trown weshay15:04
number80yeah, no more delay15:04
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dmsimardI especially want to do this week because after that trown is away15:04
apevecso early next week might be a compromise15:04
dmsimardand trown is important for test days :)15:04
* dmsimard hugs15:04
apevecso let's start this week but welcome any testers next week15:05
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dmsimardWe could maybe compromise on *one* day, friday15:05
apevecI mean, that's given all the time :)15:05
dmsimardinstead of the usual two15:05
apevecFriday is off for some parts of the world15:05
apevecthat's why we traditional had two days15:05
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apevecto cover all TZs and cultures15:06
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apevecso let's just start tomorrow15:07
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rbowenIt's short notice, but I think we can get word out.15:07
dmsimardyeah let's all help getting the word out15:07
dmsimardwe can do it ;)15:07
apevecrbowen, short notice in twitter age is 1s  :)15:07
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rbowenSure, but even there, timezones.15:08
rbowenOur aussie friends are already in bed.15:08
apevecrbowen, hence day1/day215:08
dmsimardlet's do a formal vote for this week vs next week ?15:08
dmsimardthis week15:08
trownthis week15:08
coolsvapi am fine with either15:09
trownnumber80 is feeling contrary today :P15:09
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number80trown: I'm consistent with myself even it means I'm minority :)15:09
chandankumar7-thisweek, 1-next week, 2-either15:09
dmsimarddemocracy :D15:09
trownnumber80: as you shoud be :)15:09
dmsimardnot like that silly USA democracy (just kidding)15:10
rbowenHow are the superdelegates voting on this issue?15:10
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Duck#chair duck15:10
apevecdmsimard, speaking of that, we need better bot-spam protection here, but we'll take that offline15:10
chandankumar#chair Duck15:10
openstackCurrent chairs: Duck adarazs apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard flepied imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd number80 richm social trown weshay15:10
zodbotCurrent chairs: Duck adarazs apevec chandankumar coolsvap dmsimard flepied imcsk8 jjoyce jschlueter mengxd number80 richm social trown weshay15:10
apevecok, let's record decision here?15:10
chandankumaraction items?15:11
dmsimard#agreed test days will occur this week July 28th and 29th15:11
dmsimardright ?15:11
* jschlueter nods15:11
apevecaction for getting word out?15:11
rbowenI'll send the relevant announcements.15:11
dmsimardI'll retweet and repost and spam the announcements15:12
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chandankumar#action rbowen to getting word out for Newton2 testday re-run on 28-29 July15:12
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chandankumarok moving to next topic15:12
chandankumar#topic Package Review Status15:12
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chandankumar bug 1329341 in distribution "Tracker: Blockers and Review requests for new RDO Newton packages" [Unspecified,New] - Assigned to apevec15:13
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chandankumaris the Newton package Review tracking Bug15:13
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chandankumarnumber80, please go ahead.15:13
number80#info tripleo-ui is moving forward15:13
number80we have newer nodejs, and honza submitted an initial package15:13
apevecwe need moar reviewers!15:13
number80or send me more matcha-flavored kitkat15:14
apevecso please everybody feel free to do even informal reviews15:14
apevecthat all helps15:14
jruzickaOK, I'll try to do some.15:15
number80pradk: could you check pifpaf and cotyledon reviews btw?15:15
chandankumarme too will help in doinf some review15:15
number80AFAIK, there are higher prio changes15:15
pradknumber80, will do15:15
number80thank you :)15:15
number80we also need to push -tests packages reviews15:16
chandankumarCurrently i think two is in Queue15:16
chandankumar    Sahara-tests: bug 1318765 in Package Review "Review Request: openstack-sahara-tests - Sahara Scenario Test Framework" [Unspecified,Assigned] - Assigned to apevec15:16
apevecyeah, those two are in my queue, horizon is looking good, will approve it15:16
chandankumarHorizon-tempest: bug 1355886 in Package Review "python-horizon-tests-tempest : Tempest Integration of Horizon" [Unspecified,Assigned] - Assigned to apevec15:16
number80yeah, I haven't followed guidelines changes esp. naming and splitting so if someone could write it up somewhere15:16
apevecfor sahara, still need to think about giving exception for JARs15:16
chandankumarapevec, Thanks :-)15:16
apevecbuilding them for src will be "interesting"15:17
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apevecit _could_ be viewed as test fixtures, dunno15:17
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number80well, we need to build them frpm sources at some point15:18
chandankumarnumber80, is naming and splitting related to test packages writeup?15:18
chandankumaror something else15:18
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apevecnumber80, back to tripleo-ui I didn't understand we gave free-pass to bundle deps tarball inside upstream source tarball ?15:19
number80chandankumar: they're guidelines we need to write so that future tests packages remain consistent15:19
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chandankumarnumber80, i will do that15:19
apevecchandankumar, yes, I'll need to convert my BZ comment into docs15:19
apevecchandankumar, or you can :)15:19
number80apevec: free-pass to bundle sources in packages, not in the upstream tarball15:19
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number80AFAIK, it will prevent us to have tripleo-ui in DLRN15:20
chandankumarjruzicka, nice project idea15:20
apevecchandankumar, should fit in
apevecchandankumar, ah actually Alfredo already updated that15:20
number80I have no opinion on having a separate package for deps or not, two sources in one packages works for me15:20
apevecit's good having folks doing work behind your back :)15:21
apevecnumber80, I'm not sure how that fits trunk packaging?15:21
apevecwe only want to have one variable i.e. actual upstream source changing15:21
apevecdeps cannot be bundled in that15:22
apevecalso how do you re-generate source tarball for git?15:22
apevecit can only be pure source from git15:22
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number80apevec: it can be fixed by using spectool for everything that is not Source015:22
apevecwe cannot pull from npm repos during source tarball generation from git15:22
apevecnumber80, nope15:22
apevecthat's network access during the build15:22
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apevecthere aren't instructions how to generate the tarball15:23
number80I think that honza is raising the topic of having proper releases in openstack-dev15:23
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apevecbut that's not enough, for trunk builds we need sdist to work15:24
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jruzickaI'm pretty sure two sources instead of one will generate some work sooner or later so evade if possible ;)15:25
apevecyeah, I suggested separate SRPM for deps15:25
number80apevec: we need to solve that problem somehow, in the future, we'll have to deal with more javascript and maybe go projects15:25
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jruzicka1:1 is always simpler then 1:N15:25
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jruzickahardcoded scalars need change into vectors and things get funny15:25
number80separate SRPM for deps works for me, i have really no preference15:26
apevecok, let's continue that on existing rdo-list thread15:26
chandankumaraction items here?15:27
chandankumar#action apevec to approve python-horizon-tests-tempest package15:28
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apevec#action apevec to followup on tripleo-ui packaging  thread on rdo-list15:28
chandankumarapevec, with related to sahara tests, will i try building jar files from source?15:29
apevec#action apevec to revisit givign exception for JARs15:29
apevecchandankumar, that won't be just like that, and should be fixed upstream15:29
apevecupstream should be shipping binaries15:30
apevecshould NOT15:30
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dmsimard#action apevec to revisit giving exception for JARs15:30
dmsimardnit :p15:30
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apevecthanks :)15:30
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chandankumarAnything more on this topic?15:30
apevecjust a sec15:30
apevec#action apevec to revisit giving exception for JARs in sahara-tests15:30
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apevecnot JARs in general :)15:31
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dmsimardare we going to have the same issue with stuff like zookeeper ?15:31
apevecyes, but that's separate thing15:31
apevecit's also in opstools now15:31
dmsimardok, let's not open that pandora's box now15:31
dmsimardah, how convenient15:31
apevecplan is to have maven support in CBS, that's under investigation15:32
apevecbut separate topic15:32
dmsimardnext topic ?15:32
chandankumarwill i move to next topic?15:32
chandankumar#topic pin some versions according to upper-constraints.txt15:32
chandankumarflepied, Please go ahead15:32
apevecthat's heads up, it's in progress15:33
flepiedit was just to inform that there will be some packages moving backward15:33
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trownback to the future?15:33
dmsimardbackward in contents but epoch will be forward, correct ?15:33
apevecyes, we'll be switching centos7-master to have pinned versions for libs, clients, middlewares and such15:33
apevecdmsimard, so contrary to the previous trunk2trunk upgrades talk, this won't be upgradeable15:34
apeveci.e. we won;t be bumping Epoch for this15:34
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dmsimardhow does that work, isn't epoch decided by the time at which the package is built ?15:34
apevecthere will be separate dlrn which will keep building all from master15:35
number80I'd rather not support trunk-to-trunk updates15:35
dmsimardor is epoch decided by the time of the commit that is being built, then ?15:35
number80stable-to-trunk yes15:35
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apevecEpoch is in rpm spec15:35
apevecand it is bumped when upstream changes versioning15:35
number80the upgrade path matrix for trunk-to-trunk is just too large15:35
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dmsimarder, my understanding of epoch is the timestamp embedded in the package version15:36
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apevece.g. when openstack changed from timebased Version to semver15:36
jruzickadmsimard, [epoch].1.0.015:36
number80dmsimard: nope, it just preempt RPM normal version compare workflow15:36
apevecdmsimard, ah no, that's different15:36
apevecThat's part of generated Release by DLRN15:36
number80so it can mess up badly performance of RPM dependency engine and sometime completely break it15:37
dmsimardapevec: but since the timestamp will move forward, the package version will be detected as more up-to-date and thus should be upgradeable, no ?15:37
dmsimardthat's what we're relying on for in-gate reviews using the repo that was just built vs current-passed-ci15:37
apevecdmsimard, no, Version which is == upstream version will go back15:37
apevece.g. current OSC is 2.6.1, pin is 2.6.015:37
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trownI guess priorities should take care of it15:38
apevecif you're upgrading, yum priorities do not help15:38
trownah right15:38
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apevecbut afaik trunk CI is always from scratch install15:39
apevecso we should be good15:39
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dmsimardapevec: what about we keep the internal dlrn pinned on releases and the third-party dlrn CI we spoke of yesterday would be the one building master of everything15:39
trownthere are definitly minor update jobs in progress15:39
number80who needs trunk-to-trunk upgrades?15:39
dmsimardto detect spec-breaking changes15:39
trownnumber80: CI15:39
number80trown: why not testing stable-to-trunk upgrades?15:39
trownnumber80: for testing minor upgrades15:39
dmsimardtrown: stable to trunk, yes, trunk to trunk ?15:39
number80trunk-to-trunk is too much work15:39
number80we don't have manpower for that15:39
apevecwhich job is that, link?15:39
weshaylooking for ooo upgrade tests? or other15:40
number80or you'd have to accept that changes can take one or two days to be reviewed15:40
number80trade-off to support trunk-to-trunk upgrades is just a bad deal in all cases15:40
apevecok, stable is fine15:40
apevecwe're doing this on master15:40
apevecdamn :)15:40
number80even on master15:41
trownit has never passed though15:41
number80such changes in master will end up in next stable15:41
trownso we cant break it15:41
apevectrown, ah cool15:41
dmsimard18 minutes left in meeting15:41
number80bad idea15:41
weshaywe're waiting on one new feature before adding upgrades to the pipeline15:42
dmsimardtrunk to trunk isn't expected to work15:42
number80what we want is not to break upgrades for users, not for development snapshots15:42
dmsimardI don't think grenade even tests for that upstream15:42
apevecgrenade is testing N-1 to N15:43
trownwe have jobs for that too15:43
number80N-1 to N snapshots is something we should15:43
trownbut I do not see minor upgrades being such a big deal15:43
apevecbut I don't see bad to have master2master upgrades running starting from RC15:43
weshayit's the same code path as major in ci15:43
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number80apevec: actually from M3 would work for me15:43
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number80at this stage, we should not introduce disruptive changes15:44
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apevecyep, and we'll break this now, before M315:44
number80but before that, it's not realistic15:44
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apevecnumber80, doesn't hurt to start working on that job, it just won't be in the promotion15:44
trowncool, so we could have minor to minor periodic job for the whole cycle, but not care much about it until after M315:45
apevecanyway, next topci15:45
number80I'm fine with having the job running15:45
chandankumarapevec, my network went done, sorry for that15:45
chandankumar#topic Status of Automate stable packages releases15:45
number80but fixing this job failure before M3 is not something we want to do15:45
chandankumarflepied, again your topic i think15:46
number80we're still working on this w/ fbo15:46
number80lemme find the review15:46
flepiedyes that's also a heads-up that we are going to merge branches to simplify the way we deal with stable branches15:47
fboand ^15:47
dmsimardflepied: merge branches, you mean re: no lazy branching ?15:47
flepieddmsimard: yes we'll use only one branch per stable release15:48
dmsimardthank god15:48
dmsimardlet's do this before M315:48
dmsimardexpecting some things to break as a result15:49
flepiedany help welcome on the tasks on the card15:49
chandankumarI think no action item on this, can i move to next topic then?15:50
chandankumar#topic overlap between dashboards.rdo and future status.rdo15:50
dmsimardSo today we have
rbowenWHICH IS ALL GREEN!15:50
dmsimardwhich is all green15:50
dmsimardbut eventually I'd like to have something more like ( WIP )15:51
dmsimardthat would emcompass monitoring and general status of the RDO land in a user-friendly way15:51
flepiedI think we should consider the personas we are targeting15:52
rbowenI don't find the overlap harmful.15:52
* chandankumar reminds we have 8 mins left.15:52
dmsimardIf we're okay with overlap, I don't mind, I just wanted to point it out15:52
rbowenWe also have which tracks other aspects of the community, by the way, as long as we're considering overlap.15:53
flepieda more technical dashboard could be useful to track other stuff like number of reviews, stats of gerrit/git15:53
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dmsimardrbowen: TIL about r.o/stats15:53
trownwhoa TIL too15:53
dmsimardwhere does that even come from15:53
trownthats pretty neat15:53
dmsimardokay, so, that's it for me on that topic :)15:54
chandankumar#topic RFE provide stable DLRN interface for TripleO CI15:54
dmsimarddefine stable dlrn interface15:55
chandankumarit is a just a query from someone related to this
weshayjust wondering if that is tracked on the rdo board15:56
dmsimardso what I hear is that we should be doing releases of dlrn so that people can pin to that if they want to15:56
adarazsI don't really like the title. what we need is to make DLRN not too trigger happy about checking out the code change (not the spec repo change) when we want to build something locally.15:56
dmsimardbut pinning to a release of dlrn is sort of complicated, changes to spec files or rdoinfo/rdopkg could not be backwards compat15:56
adarazspreviously there was a hack to achieve that, now it's not possible without code editing.15:56
dmsimardadarazs: oh, that's different15:56
jruzickadmsimard, I don't think it's about pinning DLRN, but about building specific versions of packages15:57
dmsimardjruzicka: yeah I just got that15:57
adarazswe just need to build single rpms from upstream changes.15:57
apevecadarazs, I'd like to keep that open until jpena is back next week15:57
weshayjruzicka, ya15:57
* chandankumar reminds we have 3 mins left15:57
apevecI did propose --local-source or something like that to address tripleo-ci use-case15:57
adarazsapevec: sounds good to me, do you think jpena will be able to take that on?15:58
flepiedI tried to reproduce the problem today but I failed to reproduce15:58
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apeveche surely will, but I'd like to also use this opportunity to rethink dlrn i/f in general15:58
apevecwe might want to decompose it15:58
apevecso e.g. we could run it as post-commit job15:59
adarazsflepied: how did you try it? try checking out a custom change in DLRN/data and try to build. DLRN will reset it to master.15:59
flepiedadarazs: could you drive me to an example after the meeting?15:59
adarazsflepied: sure.15:59
apevecyeah, just update the DLRN issue with examples15:59
apevecso that jpena can catch up next week15:59
adarazsgood idea.15:59
chandankumarapevec, next topic?16:00
chandankumar#chair for next meeting16:00
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chandankumar#topic chair for next meeting16:00
jruzickaheh. I can.16:00
chandankumar#action jruzicka to chair for next meeting16:00
chandankumarWe are running out of time, so i am going to close the meeting16:01
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chandankumarperfect timing16:01
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chandankumarThanks everyone for joining the meeting.16:01
adarazsthanks :)16:01
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jjoyceI have a general question should patches for specs go from rpm-master to <release>-rdo or rpm-<release> I can never seem to keep it straight.16:03
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jjoyceapevec number80: ^16:04
apevecjjoyce, rpm-master always first16:04
jruzickaI'd think rpm-master -> rpm-<release> -> <release>-rdo as needed16:04
apevecjjoyce, what patch is it ?16:05
jjoyceapevec: Looking at aodh16:05
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apevecjruzicka, correct and in we are removing rpm-<release>16:05
apeveci.e. both stable CBS and dlrn builds will be from <release>-rdo16:05
apevecjjoyce, in any case propose it to rpm-master first16:06
jjoyceapevec: Latest build was missing patches from rpm-mitaka. Looks to be the same for ceilometer. Trying to help those guys get the process down.16:06
apevechmm, there are patches on rpm-mitaka?16:06
apevecthat shouldn't be the case16:06
apevecrpm-* is pure upstream w/o patches16:07
jjoyceapevec: That is what I thought, but do not want to make things worse.16:07
jruzickaapevec, yeah, that's great16:07
* apevec checks aodh-distgit16:07
jjoycejruzicka: Thanks for the info.16:07
jruzickajjoyce, sure thing. The fact you "can never seem to keep it straight" is a great argument for making it just 2 branches instead of 3 ;)16:08
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* jjoyce wonders if I am the only one with that issue16:09
jruzickano I don't think so ;)16:09
jruzickait's just not clear from the names16:10
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jruzickarpm-master vs <release>-rdo is much better16:10
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number80apevec: I'm waiting pradk patchsets to merge before new build16:11
jjoycejruzicka: Based on the names I would thing rpm-master -> rpm-<release>16:11
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jjoycenumber80 apevec: Trying to help pradk get the correct flow since ceilometer has the same issue.16:11
jruzickajjoyce, the difference between rpm-<release> and <release>-rdo isn't really clear on a first sight :)16:12
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jjoycejruzicka: if rpm-<release> is pure upstream then vanilla-<release>, or similar, would help.16:14
number80jjoyce: correct workflow is ffix it in rpm-mitaka16:14
number80and get me cherry-picking in mitaka-rdo16:14
number80current workflow is flawed16:14
jjoycenumber80: So rpm-master -> rpm-mitaka -> mitaka-rdo?16:14
number80but to fix workflow, we need space to do it16:14
number80(or clone myself)16:15
jjoycenumber80: Do all dist-gits have rpm-mitaka?16:15
pradkceilometer seems fine for the most part.. i see one i18n patch missing16:15
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SPOF80jjoyce: lazying branching another flaw :)16:16
jruzickaalthough there is a finite number of Haikel's clones that would solve the problem, I'd still fix the workflow ;)16:16
SPOF80not necessarily16:16
jruzickaSPOF80, why flaw?16:16
SPOF80jruzicka: it's too complex for the occasional contributor16:16
jruzickaSPOF80, to create new branch?16:16
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SPOF80jruzicka: they simply can't create new branches16:16
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miscunless you have ents as contributors16:17
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SPOF80call it number80's law; the more people ask questions about your process, the more broken it is by design16:19
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replacableSPOF80, hmm are we talking about patches branches? It should be enough to just `rdopkg review-patch`, no? Do the branches really need to be created?16:19
SPOF80replacable: nope packaging branches16:20
SPOF80we don't have enough downstream patches so that people can stress this part :)16:21
replacableoh, right, the "when there is no rpm-<release> use rpm-master"?16:21
replacablethat will also be solved by dropping rpm-<release> in favor of <release>-rdo and dlrn that if I got what apevec meant.16:22
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SPOF80it's easier that way16:24
SPOF80VPN access failures ...16:24
apeveclet's stop funny nick names fest, it's not Friday :)16:25
apevecnow I have to look back who is how ;)16:25
apevecee *who16:25
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number80well, SPOF80 is explicit :)16:25
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jjoycenumber80 apevec: thanks for the help, just trying to get this right in my head so I can help others.16:27
apevecjjoyce, but I still didn't get which patches are we talking about?16:28
apevecis that spec or source patches?16:28
jjoyceapevec: spec16:28
jjoyceapevec: two from aodh and one from ceilometer16:28
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apevecok, then yes rpm-master first then backport to rpm-mitaka16:28
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jjoyceapevec: The missing piece was getting those patches to mitaka-rdo16:29
number80well, that's why I jokingly called myself a SPOF as I am one here16:29
apevecjjoyce, that will be automated but for now it's manual16:29
number80that stable build thing is about removing myself as a SPOF16:30
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apevecso no reviews on mitaka-rdo like this
number80apevec: I just logged in with wrong user16:30
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jjoycenumber80: ack16:31
apevecnumber80, jjoyce,,n,z it should have been backported to rpm-mitaka, not mitaka-rdo16:31
jjoyceapevec: Both right to get it into a build.16:32
apevecnumber80, yes,
jjoyceapevec: That needs to be a tee shirt16:36
apevecI think there's one16:36
apevecat least aortega mentioned it to me :)16:36
jjoyceI will have to search for it later.16:37
apevecnumber80, so there has been few mitaka-rdo reviews:
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number80apevec: yes, because nobody understands the process16:39
jschlueterwhat is python-setuptools_scm16:39
apevecand as you said, that's why we're fixing it :)16:39
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apevecjschlueter, where do you see that?16:40
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jschlueterapevec: ^^16:40
jjoyceapevec number80: I am guilty of not patching the correct branch16:41
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number80jjoyce: no, I'm guilty of pushing bizarre process on people16:41
jjoycenumber80: Let me know how to help, I am here and willing.16:42
number80apevec: I just merged them because it's just that dashboards are buzzing red everywhere16:42
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apevecwhere is red?16:42
number80it's not like I have one to three tasks to do in parallel16:42
number80people asking me to push builds today16:43
jjoyceagain... guilty16:43
number80jjoyce: you're not the only one :)16:43
jjoycenumber80: I can believe that :)16:44
apevecnumber80, mitaka-rdo reviews are not configured in zuul, I don't think they'll get merged with +W16:44
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number80I can cherry-pick but I fear that I made mistakes (forgetting a patch or doing it in the wrong tab)16:44
apevecbut you could merge them manually16:44
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apevecat the same time, it must be done in rpm-mitaka before *-rdo, for now16:45
apevecand before doing CBS build, sanity check with git diff mitaka-rdo..rpm-mitaka16:45
apevecdiff should be only Version/Release/Source0/changelog16:46
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number80yeah, considering the sheer number of tasks, I can't help fearing my own human mistakes16:48
number80nb packages x nb branches x changes == packaging hell matrix16:49
number80it's not like I can afford spending one full hour on a single package16:50
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trownweshay: master minimal periodic did fail on tempest like I described at lunch17:15
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number80I'm off, see ya17:48
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number80more NA people to take care of the channel if any naughty spammers comes by :)17:49
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dmsimardapevec: so for that spam, if we replace Allah by Alan, is that accurate ?17:51
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jschlueter Fixup building without -doc rpm18:16
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trownoh I did /ignore on that yesterday so I did not know what you guys were talking about18:29
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dmsimardmy brain hurts19:58
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jschluetergerrot bot is not reporting change sets again20:05
dmsimardhe's not here, must've had a bad restart20:05
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dmsimardthere you go20:06
dmsimardjschlueter: ^ ty20:06
jschlueterdmsimard: thanks!20:07
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pabelangerdmsimard: did you get a launchpad account setup by chance?20:32
pabelanger returns Forbidden when I login with my credentials20:33
pabelangerguess that hasn't been fixed yet20:33
pabelangerIs the only auth method supported on
rbowenI would expect so20:37
pabelangerYa, can't login. Fails to oauth for me20:40
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jdennisI'm trying to do a packstack --allinone on RHEL 7.2 but yum is failing with Error: Package: 1:python-cinder-8.0.0-1.el7.noarch (openstack-mitaka) Requires: python-cheetah, any ideas?20:51
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imcsk8jdennis: you should check your repos20:54
imcsk8i don't have a RHEL installation around but it seems like you're missing the repo for python-cheetah20:55
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jdennisimcsk8: right, I understand that, but I believe my repos are correct, any idea which repo python-cheetah is supposed to be in?20:56
imcsk8jdennis: let me check20:57
imcsk8jdennis: in centos is in the extras repo20:57
imcsk8i'm not shure the equivalent for RHEL20:58
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number80jdennis, imcsk8: extras in both case, cheetah is a dependency of cloud-init btw21:15
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dmsimardpabelanger: I'm fighting other fires right now21:17
dmsimardpabelanger: so no21:17
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number80/buffer 5621:31
rdogerritMerged openstack/keystone-distgit: Fixup building without -doc rpm
rdogerritMerged openstack/heatclient-distgit: Added py2 and py3 subpackage
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number80jschlueter: quick question, I notice that in keystone, you kept the man patch in your without-doc series of patches21:44
number80shouldn't we do the same for other projects?21:44
number80s/man patch/man page/21:44
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rdogerritAlan Pevec proposed openstack/glance-distgit: Conditionalize -doc building
dmsimardPosted the first real incident on :p21:51
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number80dmsimard: is it normal that I can't load the page?21:59
rdogerritrdo-trunk created openstack/heatclient-distgit: python-heatclient: failed to build acdb668
number80or is it the first incident21:59
number80I know21:59
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apevecdmsimard, I commented in
number80isn't this a chrome thing?22:00
apeveccouldn't find where would that be in the httpd config22:00
apevecnumber80, it's combination of server and client configs22:01
dmsimardnumber80: it's a server-side parameter that is enforced client side22:01
dmsimardapevec: I don't have an explanation, visiting doesn,t reproduce the error, as soon as I visit trunk.rdo I reproduce the error22:01
apevecdmsimard, just put letsencrypt22:01
dmsimardapevec: yeah I want to put letsencrypt everywhere22:02
apevecdmsimard, ok, we'll leave that to jpena to figure out, easy one after PTO :)22:02
apevecI've seen from bash history that he used puppet apache module to configure trunk.rdo22:02
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number80wow, I went there by mistake and massive reboot ->
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apevecnumber80, must be some ugly kernel CVE ?22:04
number80possibly or just moving servers22:07
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dmsimardpabelanger: this login issue is fubar22:08
pabelangerdmsimard: yup22:08
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number80damn osc-lib22:09
dmsimardpabelanger: the gerrit database..22:10
dmsimardhas a table "account_id", with one field, called "s"22:10
rdogerrithguemar created openstack/heatclient-distgit: osc-lib is newton+ only change
number80fixing the heatclient mitaka FTBFS22:12
number80that's why I wanted to have py3 changes in mitaka22:13
number80newton requires unrelated changes, making it more error-prone to backport to mitaka22:13
apevecah new dep sliped into py3 patch?22:13
number80minor issue though22:14
apevecyeah, reqcheck syncs should be kept as separate change22:14
number80it's just that after the 20th package, my eyes are less careful :)22:14
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number80damn, I scared monasca folks with their weird requirements requests22:17
number80today, they wanted to add jira in g-r22:18
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apevecjira bug tracker?!22:22
apevecisn't that Java22:22
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dmsimardwhat the hell22:24
number80they needed a client library to automatically open tickets in jira22:24
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number80we don't need cloud platform opening tickets but self-healing cloud or better self-developping cloud :)22:25
number80I should patent the latter22:25
dmsimardnumber80, apevec: there's a bunch of errors in the software factory logs when someone logs in..22:26
dmsimardit tries to create the users every time and there's a duplicate key error22:26
dmsimardit happens even when I try to log in22:26
dmsimardtrying to troubleshoot pabelanger's login problems .. I think I'll leave it to someone from software factory22:27
number80dmsimard: mhu is the authentication guy in SF22:27
number80well, a bit late for him, but you can mail him22:27
number80oh nice ticket22:29
rdogerritMerged openstack/heatclient-distgit: osc-lib is newton+ only change
apevecdmsimard, file them bug in then email to raise prio22:31
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apevecnumber80, which ticket?22:32
dmsimardsent an email22:32
number80 bug 1360786 in Package Review "Missing python2-heatclient rpm during undercloud upgrade Liberty to Mitaka" [Unspecified,Closed: worksforme] - Assigned to hguemar22:33
number80I fixed it right before it was created22:33
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jschlueternumber80: yep, the man pages are included in the main rpm22:37
jschlueterand yes we should as a general rule22:37
number80maybe that's something we should add to the openstack spec templates22:40
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jschlueternumber80: also the openstack-glance still fails when building docs ... not sure what issue is22:41
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number80looking into this one22:49
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number80I think this is a bug upstream22:54
number80Yeah, it didn't break in DLRN as the code commented22:55
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* jschlueter nods that's why I was going for conditional comment out so we could more easily see that it was disabled and re-enable and debug it seperate from the cleanup23:09
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number80jschlueter: found culprit and someone is working on fixing it upstream
openstackLaunchpad bug 1605648 in oslo.config "help text string on config fails translations and breaks glance docs" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Doug Hellmann (doug-hellmann)23:14
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