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| inc0 | my dear Neutron guys, anyone here? | 15:53 |
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| inc0 | 4 words - non-locking database migrations | 15:53 |
| inc0 | yes/no? done or for ocata? | 15:53 |
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| inc0 | dasm, ankur-gupta-f | 15:54 |
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| inc0 | dolphm, ^ | 15:56 |
| inc0 | you know anything of it? | 15:56 |
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| dolphm | inc0: as in, not locking individual tables during the upgrade process? | 15:59 |
| inc0 | dolphm, as in --expand --contract | 15:59 |
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| inc0 | keep services running while db is migrating | 16:00 |
| dolphm | inc0: ah, it's not *done* in newton, but they've made a ton of progress | 16:00 |
| dolphm | inc0: it's all based on oslo.versionedobjects | 16:00 |
| dolphm | inc0: in neutron's case | 16:00 |
| inc0 | can we make sure for it to happen in Ocata? or at least make it a priority? | 16:01 |
| dolphm | inc0: absolutely | 16:01 |
| inc0 | would be great, thanks | 16:01 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | inc0: happening... slowly :) | 16:07 |
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| dasm | inc0: no. | 16:12 |
| inc0 | ahh always an optimist eh?;) | 16:12 |
| dasm | inc0: it's priority. Newton is the last release with expand/contract phases. | 16:12 |
| dasm | in Ocata, we will have just expand | 16:13 |
| dasm | currently, ~10 devs are working to bring OVO to Neutron and make it rolling | 16:13 |
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| dasm | inc0: last thing. rolling upgrades is priority for OSIC and it's high priority for Community | 16:15 |
| inc0 | ok, cool, let's make it so | 16:16 |
| electrocucaracha | inc0: the idea is to have OVO for ocata, at least for the neutron repo, I don't think that we do it for the rest of the stadium projects | 16:23 |
| inc0 | well, not everyone needs OVO | 16:25 |
| inc0 | there are several ways to achieve non-locking DB | 16:25 |
| inc0 | OVO is one of them | 16:25 |
| electrocucaracha | inc0: don't start that discussion again hahah | 16:25 |
| inc0 | but functionality is non-locking DB and RPC cross-compatibility | 16:25 |
| inc0 | hey you can blame OVO on me, I was pushing it back in Liberty | 16:25 |
| inc0 | all I'm saying | 16:26 |
| inc0 | at the end of the day, we need non-locking db and rpc cross compatibility | 16:26 |
| inc0 | and few other smaller stuff | 16:26 |
| dasm | inc0: like... users? | 16:26 |
| electrocucaracha | I'm not sure that we can achieve non-locking db in neutron | 16:26 |
| inc0 | like "don't break networking while restarting services" << staring at neutron people >> | 16:27 |
| inc0 | please achieve it... pretty pretty please? | 16:27 |
| electrocucaracha | specially, because we have been discovering during the implementation of OVO that some models use db locks | 16:27 |
| inc0 | this is most of the upgrade stuff really | 16:27 |
| dasm | electrocucaracha: and all the time kevinbenton is trying to decouple locks. | 16:28 |
| inc0 | well, non-locking db migration means "don't do alters that will prevent me to writing stuff" | 16:28 |
| electrocucaracha | dasm: I didn't know that kevinbenton was doing that, definitely something useful | 16:30 |
| dasm | electrocucaracha: at least i think, he's doing that :P | 16:31 |
| dasm | electrocucaracha: currently he's dealing with retries on db. he's trying to move it closer to db from api layer (afair) | 16:32 |
| dasm | and in the same time, he's removing/modifying locks. | 16:32 |
| * electrocucaracha is remembering that retries patch | 16:32 | |
| electrocucaracha | inc0: btw, we're aware of the importance of enabling rolling upgrades | 16:33 |
| inc0 | ok, I'm sure you've been bashed for it | 16:34 |
| inc0 | good discussion stared right?;) | 16:35 |
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