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| sigmavirus | dharinic: rosmaita y'all should read the [glance] tag on openstack-dev when you get in | 11:16 |
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| sigmavirus | I'm trying to help calm the situation, but side-stepping -2s like that is not cool | 11:16 |
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| jroll | sigmavirus: ++ | 11:56 |
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| hemanthm | sigmavirus: it isn't but how do you deal with irresponsible -2s | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus | hemanthm: how was that an irresponsible -2? Do you mean unresponsive? | 14:10 |
| hemanthm | both | 14:10 |
| hemanthm | if you leave a -2 then you better be right | 14:10 |
| hemanthm | his -2s are not valid in the first | 14:10 |
| hemanthm | how does it make to -2 a patch citing some other patch that broke formatting? | 14:10 |
| hemanthm | *make sense | 14:10 |
| hemanthm | and on top of that the formatting is all fixed and the fix was proposed for a long time | 14:11 |
| hemanthm | and erno blocked that as well | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus | Erno blocked the fix in oslo.config? | 14:11 |
| hemanthm | wrap_width fix in glance | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus | Erno blocked those from merging because he wanted to ensure the other fix wasn't forgotten. It's not the best use of a -2 but it's also not "irresponsible" | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus | all too often things are "forgotten" when the patch that caused it is merged | 14:12 |
| hemanthm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343887/ | 14:12 |
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| hemanthm | I say irresponsible because of the timeline. N-3 is about to be cut, then you leave a -2 and go missing | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus | hemanthm: looking at the CR history on that I don't see a -2 from Erno, I see a -1 | 14:13 |
| hemanthm | How is that being a responsible core? | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus | hemanthm: if you've never had other priorities that preclude you from being as responsive as others, I'd be amazed | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus | It happens to every core on every project at one point or another | 14:14 |
| hemanthm | sigmavirus: I'm not saying that, if you are not sure about something then don't -2 it | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus | Erno was sure about it clearly | 14:14 |
| hemanthm | yes, but wrong too | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus | hemanthm: you're changing the conversation from "We did this thing in private with a handful of people and without the community" to "-2s from people who get busy are bad" | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus | The fundamentally wrong thing here is all the private discussions that should have happened on the mailing list | 14:15 |
| hemanthm | sigmavirus: nope, I'll explain after the glance meeting | 14:16 |
| hemanthm | we can have a vidyo sync if you want | 14:16 |
| hemanthm | I know that we can't side step -2s but it looked ok in this case especially considering that we could miss a deadline and the reason to block is not a very valid one | 14:17 |
| jroll | I think it's important to remember Erno doesn't participate in the glance irc channel, iirc | 14:20 |
| jroll | oh, maybe he does now, looking at logs | 14:20 |
| jroll | couldn't remember his nick | 14:20 |
| hemanthm | Jokke_ | 14:21 |
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| jroll | yeah | 14:22 |
| jroll | it looks like he was pinged about it that day, and then 4 hours later the new patch went up :( | 14:22 |
| hemanthm | jroll: we waited 2-3 days for him to lift his -2s | 14:23 |
| jroll | hemanthm: but nobody asked him directly to remove them until the same day, afaict | 14:24 |
| jroll | neither on the patch nor in irc, not going to bother searching the ML | 14:24 |
| hemanthm | jroll: so this discussion is split across irc and comments on that patches themselves | 14:25 |
| hemanthm | nope, nothing on the ML | 14:25 |
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| jroll | hemanthm: right, I've read both, as an outsider it does look like you went around his -2 without trying very hard to get him to remove it | 14:25 |
| jroll | I don't necessarily disagree with your reasoning | 14:25 |
| jroll | but the perception isn't awesome | 14:25 |
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| hemanthm | jroll: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361474/ | 14:28 |
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| jroll | hemanthm: aha, that's what I'm missing, thanks | 14:28 |
| hemanthm | see how brian and nikhil who both +2d saying Erno's concern is not valid. | 14:29 |
| abashmak | I'm new to OpensStack, but isn't it the case that a consensus of cores can override a -2 from another core? In this case 3 cores including PTL were in agreement that the -2 should be removed and proceeded to bypass because of the very tight timeline | 14:29 |
| jroll | hemanthm: yeah, you'll want to point this patch out on the ML, but also try to remain calm about it | 14:30 |
| kencjohnston | electrocucaracha: woodburn - I just sent you a note with odyssey4me and cloudnull about Neutron upgrade process in OSA. | 14:31 |
| jroll | without that context it looks very different | 14:31 |
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| hemanthm | jroll: obviously he didn't link that patch on the ML | 14:31 |
| jroll | abashmak: it's complicated, and probably varies team to team and person to person | 14:31 |
| jroll | hemanthm: :) | 14:31 |
| electrocucaracha | ok, thanks kencjohnston I'll take a look | 14:31 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: you really *need* to give an explanation to the ML and I will vouch for you then | 14:31 |
| jroll | fwiw, brian just replied | 14:32 |
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| hemanthm | nikhil: yeah, I'll send out an email | 14:32 |
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| kencjohnston | This is for John Garbutt - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Nova-OSIC-Ocata | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy_w | thanks | 14:38 |
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| jroll | vgadiraj: let's just follow up here | 15:38 |
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| JayF | anush: Guests: Click the room link to join: https://vc.rackspace.com/flex.html?roomdirect.html&key=ifTwLRmZYqTVLlUFIHIYYUd21CY | 15:43 |
| jroll | anush_: can we shoot for next wednesday 1pm central or later for the ocata/ironic thing? | 15:44 |
| anush_ | sure.. lets do it that time jroll | 15:44 |
| anush_ | i will schedule something in our calendars | 15:44 |
| jroll | assuming it works for JayF / kencjohnston | 15:44 |
| JayF | 1pm CST = 11am PST, probably fine as long as it's not too long of a meeting | 15:44 |
| anush_ | oh we can include kencjohnston after we come up with the list.. | 15:45 |
| anush_ | maybe we can come up with the list before wednesday | 15:45 |
| JayF | anush_: you going to jump into vidyo? | 15:46 |
| JayF | anush_: room link ^^ | 15:46 |
| jroll | anush_: yeah, I'll add my current draft of upstream stuff to the etherpad later on today | 15:47 |
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