Monday, 2016-05-02

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nortmanpumaranikar: I seem to remember you were working on a live-migrate bug related to host affinity.  Do you remember which bug that was and did it ever get fixed?11:52
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mmotianiGood morning!14:13
hockeynutgood mornin!14:17
diltrammorning14:27
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jrollhi friends14:51
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mrhillsmanmorning14:52
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anushgood morning OSICers16:07
spotzmorning anush16:07
dstanekgood morning and good afternoon16:08
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kencjohnstongood morning all16:09
diltram morning anush16:09
diltrammorning16:09
spotzMorning kencjohnston - FYI we dripped the nucs off at castle yesterday morning, inc0 knows where they are16:10
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kencjohnstonspotz cool, you mean the ones that we didn't give away?16:10
spotzkencjohnston: yeah16:10
diltramkencjohnston: what is the OSIC feeling about FWaaS/VPNaaS?16:10
diltramkencjohnston: did you heard about removing that part of code from neutron?16:11
kencjohnstondiltram not on our roadmap at the moment16:11
mrhillsmandiltram if regarding that operators thread16:11
diltrammrhillsman: exactly about that I'm talking16:11
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mrhillsmanno case has been made to keep it really16:11
mrhillsmanadditionally what kencjohnston said16:11
diltramkencjohnston: but there is problem with that because in next 6 months they're gonna remove everyting so it will be impossible to add that into roadmap16:12
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jrollkencjohnston: did I just hear free nucs?16:12
mrhillsmanseems like the consensus is to let it die out16:12
navidpdolphm, lanc16:12
kencjohnstondiltram Understood, but we have to prioritize work that drives enterprise adoption, and right now that isn't VPN or FW.16:12
diltrammrhillsman: but people are talking about working on that outside of neutron git tree in private repos16:12
mrhillsmanyeah, what kencjohnston said16:13
navidpdolphm, lbragstad , dstanek , if you have time to review this patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309491/,  thanks16:13
dstaneknavidp: sure16:13
diltramkencjohnston: I agree, but how companies are working on that? do they install some hw stuff to provide that functionality or they're not using VPN in private clouds?16:13
mrhillsmanhardware16:14
kencjohnstonFor most Private Cloud deployments i imagine operators use hardware FW16:14
mrhillsmanfor both FW and VPN16:14
kencjohnstonwhat mrhillsman said :)16:14
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mrhillsmanhehe16:14
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diltramkencjohnston, mrhillsman: OK, sounds reasonable16:20
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ankur-gupta-f1kencjohnson: At the session Thursday they put your face and your story in the presentation of successful grads :D "Kenneth Johnston, Executive MBA 2015"16:25
inc0so, I was talking to few people16:26
inc0and apperantly they're running 1000nodes on HAProxy;)16:26
inc0so let's not really rule out this one, performance wise it's not horrible16:26
inc0not even half bad if you know what you're doing16:27
inc0these aren't viprions, but well, it's cheaper16:27
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kencjohnstonankur-gupta-f1 - Ha, I had another buddy of mine who was there say the same thing...16:42
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kencjohnstonankur-gupta-f1 apparently this is what success looks like. http://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/student_debt_cc_img_1.jpg16:44
kencjohnstonAlthough I have to say it was worth every penny.16:44
ankur-gupta-f1kencjohnston: starting a college fund for myself now. by the time i apply and join. I might have enough for a term :P16:46
pumaranikarnortman, I was facing network issue. This is affinity related bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1497100. There is a buleprint in progress which has similar change.16:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1497100 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Affinity policy problems with migrate and live-migrate" [Low,Invalid] - Assigned to Pushkar Umaranikar (pushkar-umaranikar)16:46
pumaranikarnortman, hence john suggested to do required changes after that gets merged16:47
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nortmanpumaranikar: Thanks.16:50
nortmanpumaranikar: That's directly related to the server groups proposal I was bugging everybody about at the summit.16:51
nortmanBasically server groups are broken and useless and we should either fix them and make them useful or drop them completely.16:51
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pumaranikarnortman, yes. I guess it will get resolved with your proposal :). we may also need to track the blueprint which is in progress.16:56
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diltramwho is responsible for Cloud1 keystone configuration?17:22
diltramthere is mistake in neutron URL17:22
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kencjohnstondiltram can you describe the mistake and I'll send an email to the appropriate person?17:45
diltramkencjohnston: in endpoints list neutron api url is specified as http not https17:46
kencjohnstonthe person responsible is Mark Deverter, he's a Rackspace Private Cloud support engineer17:46
kencjohnstoncool, diltram I'll let Mark know.17:46
diltramkencjohnston: the same thing is with glance if I remember17:47
diltramkencjohnston: network and image endpoints has that problem17:47
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diltramkencjohnston: because of that vagrant-openstack-provider is not working with that two services17:48
kencjohnstondiltram msg me your email address17:48
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kencjohnstonrosmaita reviewing your etherpad link - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-properties-next-gen17:59
kencjohnstonIs there a sub-text that this metadata definition catalog can/shoudl be used outside of images and glance?18:00
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kencjohnstonDon't all other services have the same issue with non-interoperable metadata definitions?18:01
rosmaitakencjohnston: yes, you are correct on both counts18:02
kencjohnstonI guess only those resources that are service provider supplied need to be interoperable18:02
kencjohnstonbut still..18:02
kencjohnstonso is the user story about an interoperable set of metadata definitions18:02
kencjohnstonalmost like an addition to DefCore?18:02
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rosmaitasort of ... there's a de facto set of interoperable metadata based on what nova will recognize, the metadefs catalog allows the metadata to be published in a more accessible way18:06
rosmaitai'm not sure how well known the metadefs catalog feature is, though18:06
kencjohnstonOK, well I htink it would make a good user story. Do you want to add it?18:08
rosmaitasure18:08
kencjohnstonAdd me to the review.18:08
rosmaitawhat do you think about the enforcement part, for images, anyway?18:08
kencjohnstonWell, I'm not sure if the use case means that enforcement is always on, or optional.18:09
kencjohnstonProviding flexible enforcement woudl seem prudent, I could see some operators defining or using definitions that aren't enforceable18:09
rosmaitaok18:10
kencjohnstonlike OS version number18:10
rosmaitaright now it's enforced by horizon if you use the metadefs plugin18:10
kencjohnstonon all metadefs?18:10
kencjohnstonor can an operator choose to have some definition be standard, but the available options are not?18:10
kencjohnstonOn second thought, this is stuff we can flesh out in the user story.18:11
rosmaitai think it's all the ones that are recognized18:11
rosmaitamakes sense18:11
kencjohnstonLet's have the dialogue there.18:11
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cloudnulllate to the party here but -- mrhillsman kencjohnston diltram -- RE: VPNaaS and FWaaS -- the OSA project has them in tree as options that you can deploy however I've only heard of one deployer even wanting either of them. Their removal from neutron wouldn't be a bad thing especially especially when you consider there's almost no documentation, its mostly un-maintained and the features you do get are seriously lacking.19:30
cloudnullthe user pjm6 from the #openstack-ansible channel may be able to shed some light of their usecase for wanting that feature if you're looking for a potential user story19:32
dasmcloudnull: ++19:32
cloudnullbut most who try it abandon it for <insert-anything-here> once they see what it can and can't do19:32
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cloudnullinc0: HAP (haproxy) runs great with 100's even 1000's of nodes. the issue was never really performance. The main issue is ent features sets and sec auditing, all of which HAP will not provide likely ever. If we're hell bent on doing "free" load balancing with ent feature sets I'd recommend looking into VyOS (used to be vyatta) [http://vyos.net] however even then I think vendor driven hardware is going to be the best bet for the ent19:36
cloudnullusers of openstack.19:36
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inc0cloudnull, agree, just saying that there are uses foe haproxy19:39
inc0we discussed that, you want anything open for public, f5 would be better19:39
cloudnullI think hap is great, just not for deployments you care about19:40
cloudnullits a great test / internal tool19:40
inc0or private cloud19:41
cloudnullnope. i care about private cloud19:43
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cloudnull's/private cloud/toy cloud/g'19:43
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diltramcloudnull: so you're telling that there is no available software load balancer which will be stable and usable?19:50
cloudnulldiltram: define available ?19:52
mrhillsmani say citrix netscaler vs F5 :D19:52
cloudnull+119:53
cloudnull:p19:53
diltramcloudnull: something what you're downloading and using19:53
diltrammrhillsman: but it's still close source if I'm right19:54
cloudnulldiltram: if the criteria for success is "can be downloaded" I think we're all in trouble.19:54
mrhillsman^19:54
diltramcloudnull: no no, you missunderstood me, I'm thinking about what suppose to do small companies which are not able to buy F5 h/w19:55
diltramcloudnull: you're telling that you're not suppose to use HAProxy so what?19:55
diltramis there anything available to use in small deploymentss19:56
cloudnulldiltram: ah. use VyOS, Incapsula, Vyatta, BalanceNG, NetScaler (not a citrix fan but it works), etc...19:57
cloudnullpfSense too19:59
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inc0heard good things about pfsense19:59
cloudnullall of which have great capabilities, and an ent feature set.19:59
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cloudnullinc0: ++ pfsense is very nice.20:00
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cloudnullno api but still very nice20:00
inc0I played with idea of making neutron talk to pfsense vm instead of iptables and shit20:00
inc0I think they plan to make api next major release20:02
inc0nto sure when that happends tho20:02
cloudnullI'm +1 for that20:02
cloudnullsadly they've been saying that for a few years now20:02
cloudnulldiltram: also note I'm not saying you cant use HAP, there are plenty of companies that use it.20:04
cloudnullbut it lacks some serious features ENT users want.20:05
diltramcloudnull: so why anyone do nothing with enabling that in VPNaaS/FWaaS20:06
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diltramusing VyOS you can do both things20:06
cloudnullwe have VPNaaS and FWaaS up. its just about worthless.20:07
diltramI can't understand how VPN can be worthless20:08
diltramI have a problem currently that I need to install everything and configure everything on my own, because we don't have a VPNaaS enable in Cloud120:09
cloudnullhave you looked into the implementation ?20:09
diltramcloudnull: not really20:09
diltramit's so bad?20:09
cloudnullits terrible.20:09
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cloudnullalso how would vpnaas help you in cloud1 ?20:09
cloudnullvpnaas does not give you access to the devices. only your instances.20:10
cloudnullcreating an instance assigning a float and installing openvpn would be easier and more beneficial20:11
cloudnullIPSEC via OpenSwan running from a namespace isn't likely what you want.20:11
diltramcloudnull: I want to use vagrant to create my environments, but because of the lack of FIPs we need to use jumb boxes, and I'm creating VPN to my jump box20:12
inc0diltram, openvpn is super easy20:13
inc0and works everywhere20:13
cloudnull^20:13
diltramcloudnull: in that way vagrant uses normal openstack apis to create vms and thru vpn i have a connectivity to vms private network to configure them using private ips20:13
diltraminc0: it's true, because of that i'm using it but still I need to manually do everything, using VPNaaS I will be able to click two buttons and everything would be ready to use20:14
inc0diltram, use ansible20:14
cloudnulldiltram: youve never used vpaas i see. :)20:14
inc0then it will be 1 button20:15
cloudnull^20:15
inc0write a play to setup openvpn20:15
inc0and that's it20:15
diltraminc0: may you give me a link to some document with description how to spin up a vm, login to it and configure everything in multi node setup?20:16
inc0depends what you mean by configure20:16
diltramcloudnull: what I'm not seeing in that S/W? It's not working in that way? It's making something else?20:16
cloudnullwhat ?20:17
inc0you can spin a vms, make inventory out of them and run ansible-playbook to do everything you can possibly think of20:17
diltraminc0: install all required packages, change some config files20:17
inc0ansible is a config management tool, it was made for this20:17
cloudnulldiltram: google brought me to https://github.com/ftao/vpn-deploy-playbook20:18
diltramcloudnull: you told that I didn't use vpnaas, I missunderstood how it is working?20:18
diltramcloudnull, inc0: that playbook is not doing what I need20:18
cloudnullhttps://github.com/cloudwatt/openstack-heat-templates/blob/master/OpenVPN/openvpn.heat20:19
inc0you need to write a play that will do what you need20:19
cloudnull^ heat deployment20:19
inc0will be easyier than using vpnaas20:19
diltramI need to spin up 5 vm and deploy on top of them devstack20:19
inc0you don't really want to deal with openswan20:19
cloudnulldiltram: ^20:19
diltrambut connectivity to that vms is thru jumb box20:19
cloudnulli was making a joke earlier , nothing about neutron/vpnaas is a two button thing20:20
diltramcloudnull: hahahaha, but I can't understand how it is possible that no one required that functionality, I'm not arguing that about that openswan20:20
diltramI have a simple use case which I need to do20:21
inc0my issue with neutron is that it tries to do everything while it fails to do what it was meant to be doing20:21
diltramto speed up my development20:21
inc0diltram, really, write an playbook to do it20:21
diltraminc0: what neutron suppose to do in your opinion?20:21
inc0give network to vms20:21
diltraminc0: is there any way to use ansible to spin up vms in openstack/docker/virtualbox?20:22
inc0diltram, kolla spins a lot of dockers with it;)20:22
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cloudnulldiltram: im telling you. look at openvpn, it works well.20:22
inc0but what you really want to do is to spin it with heat or whatever and then run ansible over it20:22
cloudnulland once you have that setup you will have local access to you other vms within your tenant network.20:23
inc0you can write vagrant out of it20:23
diltramcloudnull: I know, I configured that on my own on my vm and using it I will configure that20:23
diltraminc0: you still don't understand, I would like to use software which will be portable - using vagrant I can spin up VM in different ways using one parameter20:24
cloudnulland something like https://github.com/cloudwatt/openstack-heat-templates/blob/master/OpenVPN/openvpn.heat will setup your jump box for you20:24
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inc0how is ansible not-portable?20:24
diltraminc0: it's true, I can use after that ansible but it doesn't matter if I'm gonna prepare ansible playbook or simple bash script20:24
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inc0ansible is glorified bash script20:24
inc0so is vagrant20:24
inc0and most of config management systems really20:25
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diltraminc0, cloudnull: I'm not arguing about ansible/heat/openvpn usability - all of them is great software20:26
diltrambut still I would like to have a VPNaaS in OpenStack :P20:26
diltramwhy I suppose to do that on my own if I'm able to click one button and get everything configured20:26
inc0diltram, problem with this approach is that it usually doesn't work20:27
inc0use tools that were created for purpose20:28
diltraminc0: unfortunatelly I know that :(20:28
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inc0so if you have jump node aleady, just make it your very own openvpn gatewa20:28
inc0y20:28
inc0and run vagrant while being on vpn20:28
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diltraminc0: it's my idea of doing that, I'm configuring my VPN tunnel as GW to access all private ips of vms20:29
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cloudnulldiltram:  https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/68199242.jpg20:29
inc0cloudnull, you made it right now?20:29
diltramcloudnull: hahahaha :P20:29
cloudnullinc0:  yes20:30
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inc0I know some wheels are aren't super cute, they might not be painted the way you want....but when you invent new one it tends to be rectangular20:30
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cloudnullinc0:  thats going on twitter20:32
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inc0lol20:35
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cloudnullinc0: https://twitter.com/cloudnull/status/727234908951703552 I would've tagged you but I didn't immediately know your handle.20:35
* cloudnull isn't even sure your on twitter.20:35
inc0hmm20:36
inc0I don't know my twitter as well;)20:37
inc0I used it for a while but kinda stopped20:37
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raj_singh /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER raj_singh jnuvlvwzzfyv21:23
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ankur-gupta-f1thanks raj_singh:21:27
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raj_singhyup its official now. My lessor learnt from summit was have IRC handle that is easy to remember and pronounce21:32
raj_singhs/lessor/lesson21:32
raj_singhsp sarafraj->raj_singh21:32
raj_singhs/sp/so21:32
siva_krishnanraj_singh was that your irc password ?21:33
ankur-gupta-f1yea21:34
ankur-gupta-f1hehehe21:34
raj_singhyup21:34
raj_singhcopy paste21:34
raj_singhgood I was not in a nova channel21:36
siva_krishnanyeah. it happens :)21:39
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anushraj_singh use this to change your password ;-) "/msg nickserv SET PASSWORD <password>"22:04
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raj_singh@anush Thx22:07
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