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| Sesso_ | Do the glance images have a default password that is set? I used a debian 8.2.0 image and also used my key. It still asking me for a password to login. | 02:28 |
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| larsks | Sesso_: It really depends on how the images are built. I'm not familiar with the debian image, but for ubuntu and fedora (and centos and rhel) there is no default password -- you can only log in with a key. | 03:08 |
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| Sesso_ | Yeah, the centos one works great. im thinking that the debian one doesnt have passwordless login enabled. It seems to accept my key. | 03:20 |
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| gangaec | Hi everyone. | 06:58 |
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| Sesso_ | hi | 06:58 |
| gangaec | I have installed openstack on a server having IP 172.16.2.35 and I created few instaces in it which has IP's 10.0.4.X. In side 10.0.4.7, I'm runing one service on port 4194. But I'm unable to get access that service from 172.16.2.35. ssh and ping are working. | 06:58 |
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| gangaec | I allowed all tcp and udp ports. But not working. When I do "curl 10.0.4.7:4194" it is giving bellow error. | 06:59 |
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| gangaec | The system returned: <i>(110) Connection timed out | 06:59 |
| Sesso_ | do you have a router connecting from the internal network to the external? | 06:59 |
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| gangaec | Sesso_: Yes, I have router. Router IP: 172.24.4.3 | 07:00 |
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| Sesso_ | and there are interfaces on it. The network topology should show a blue bar with a router in the middle attaching to the orange bar. Then the instance attaches to the orange bar only | 07:01 |
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| gangaec | Sesso_: here is the network topology. http://s24.postimg.org/fer93lq2d/network_top.png | 07:06 |
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| gangaec | Sesso_: we added a routed from openstack machine to it's instances to directly access 10.0.4.X n/w | 07:08 |
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| bharath | Does anyone openstack summit tokyo host organization and host organiztion address | 07:47 |
| bharath | ? | 07:47 |
| bharath | Does anyone know openstack summit (tokyo) host organization and host organiztion address | 07:47 |
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| adun153 | What glance storage backend should I use to be able to use MySQL as a storage backend? | 08:40 |
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| IcePic | ouch. I remember the 90s when web people thought filesystems were a bit hard to grasp and started using SQL for storage instead. Not the prettiest memories. =) | 08:41 |
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| adun153 | IcePic: Or should I just do DRBD instead? What's the easiest one to implement? Performance is not an issue, just time-to-set up. | 08:44 |
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| IcePic | I cant say what is "best" in a one-dimensional way, easiest would be a simple filesystem I guess, but I gather that this is out of the question for some reason. | 08:46 |
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| adun153 | IcePic: Yep. I don't have a storage cluster, just a 2-node controller/storage setup. | 08:59 |
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| kun_huang | #success systemtap + pached cpython + ubuntu 14.04 is done! | 09:18 |
| openstackstatus | kun_huang: Added success to Success page | 09:18 |
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| becks | ciao | 09:27 |
| becks | !list | 09:27 |
| openstack | becks: Admin, Bugtracker, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, MeetBot, Misc, Owner, Services, and User | 09:27 |
| becks | !LIST | 09:28 |
| openstack | becks: Admin, Bugtracker, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, MeetBot, Misc, Owner, Services, and User | 09:28 |
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| IcePic | it should talk back in caps when you go !LIST ;) | 09:28 |
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| oliva | hi there, I'm installing kilo on centos following the guide on os.org. I only have 2 network interfaces on the network node: one is on the managment network and the second on the instance tunnels network. I dont have the third interface for the external network as required by the guide. For the moment I planned to use os only within our LAN, can I use the managment network interface as the third interface | 13:00 |
| oliva | required for the internet connection? | 13:00 |
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| larsks | oliva: it's possible, although it can be a little tricky. You have a couple of options if you want to go that route: (a) you can add the mgmt interface to your neutron external bridge, and migrate your ip configuration from the interface to the bridge, or (b) if you only care about outbound connectivity right now, you can simply configure outbound NAT for instance traffic (so your instances will be able | 13:08 |
| larsks | to reach the internet, but you will only be able to log into them from the network node itself). | 13:08 |
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| oliva | larsks: thanks for the answer ... so I should connect my managment interface on the br-ex bridge to which I should give the nic current address right? | 13:12 |
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| larsks | Yes, and then presumably use a floating ip network range that is compatible with your management network. | 13:13 |
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| oliva | thanks larsks | 13:19 |
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| oliva | hi, to follow larsks suggestion to use the network manager nic for both external connection and managment network connection I configured br-ex with the managment address and added eth0 the br-ex by using ifconfig. Should I use CentOS networking initialization files to make this change permanent or, should I use os/ovs commad? I'm asking this because I see no way to assign an IP address to bt-ex by mean o | 14:17 |
| oliva | f ovs-vctl add-br. | 14:17 |
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| larsks | oliva: tomake it persistent you would use centos /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/* files. | 14:18 |
| larsks | There are examples out there of what you need to do, e.g., https://www.rdoproject.org/Neutron_with_existing_external_network | 14:19 |
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| oliva | larsks: great thanks! | 14:22 |
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| Muntaner | hello to everyone. How can I get data/metadata that is stored via cloud-init? Is there an API call that gives it back? | 14:25 |
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| admin0 | what is the function of neutron_usage_audit daemon ? | 14:26 |
| admin0 | Muntaner: you can query the metadata server | 14:26 |
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| Muntaner | admin0, I'm trying. I can see hostname, ipaddress and so on, but I can't see the metadata that I injected | 14:27 |
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| Muntaner | I'm playing with the address xxx/metadata/latest/metadata | 14:27 |
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| larsks | Muntaner: Take a look at http://169.254.169.254/openstack/latest/meta_data.json | 14:50 |
| larsks | I think you will find the metadata keys in there (under 'metadata'). | 14:50 |
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| Muntaner | larsks, I'm trying now | 14:51 |
| Muntaner | will tell you the results :) | 14:51 |
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| Muntaner | larsks, great! they are there! | 14:52 |
| Muntaner | strangely enough, I can't find any documentation that tells me that | 14:53 |
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| goukos | Hhey guys, I'm quite new to OpenStack. How can I setup active/passive configuration for instances? | 15:44 |
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| kashyap | goukos: If you're quite new, are you sure you want to begin with HA setup? | 15:55 |
| kashyap | Or maybe you're already familiar with linux admin, and just trying to deploy OpenStack. . . | 15:56 |
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| larsks | goukos: There are a lot of ways to interpret your question. What exactly are you trying to do? | 15:57 |
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| goukos | kashyap: the "quite new" thing means I don't know every detail about every service and I have already installed OpenStack | 15:58 |
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| goukos | larsks: I want to setup an active/passive configuration, by duplicating the instance data on multiple hosts. So, in case one of them fail, I can still have the instance duplicated on another host and I will not lose any data of the instance | 15:58 |
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| larsks | goukos: still not clear, sorry :). If you're primary interest is the *data*, I would store that on a cinder volume, and I would have cinder backed by some form of reliable storage that provides the redundancy you want. | 15:59 |
| larsks | If you're interested in making a *service* highly available, simply putting a neutron load balancer in front of your instances might be a place to start. | 15:59 |
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| goukos | larsks: I thought LBaaS is just load balancing the requests to the instances. | 16:02 |
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| larsks | goukos: Sure, and if an instance fails, requests will no longer go to that instance. | 16:02 |
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| goukos | larsks: Let me rephrase. When you create an instance, let's say, is hosted on compute host A. A user has access to his instance on host A. I want to make a duplicate of that instance on compute host B and if the host A fails, the user can request his instance not on host A as he did, but on host B. | 16:02 |
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| larsks | Okay. So, I was proposing a solution that would make services hosted on this instances highly available, so the user wouldn't need to know which instance was hosting the service. It is possible to set things up so that if an instance fails, or the hypervisor hosting it fails, it will automatically get re-created on another hypervisor: but this isn't available out-of-the-box anywhere yet. That solution | 16:04 |
| larsks | relies on pacemaker and pacemaker-remote. | 16:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think the key here is making your app more "cloud" | 16:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | users shouldnt have any idea that something died on the back end | 16:05 |
| larsks | If you're really looking for this sort of instance HA, you may want to look at a traditional virtualization solution (RHEV, VMware, etc), which typically have more built-in ha/fault toleratnt solutions than cloud environments. | 16:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | everything in the cloud is stateless | 16:06 |
| larsks | With a cloud solution, the assumption is that your application takes care of availability, and the recovery model is "redeploy automatically". | 16:06 |
| larsks | ANd also waht Sam-I-Am said :) | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | and what larsks said :) | 16:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this situation is pretty normal for people who use traditional virtualization | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloud is not a replacement for vmware, its a different theory of operation | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | can you make it look and feel like vmware? sure, but thats not the strong point. | 16:07 |
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| goukos | Sam-I-Am: "users shouldnt have any idea that something died on the back end". Exactly, that's my point and I want to provide that on a kind of instance HA. | 16:11 |
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| larsks | goukos: and in a cloud environment, you would typically do that through the use of load balancers in front of your services, and monitoring tools that will automatically schedule new instances if any existing instances fail. | 16:11 |
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| goukos | larsks: I don't want to create just new instances, I want to have the same instance available on 2 hosts. | 16:12 |
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| larsks | goukos: you can boot two copies of an image on different hosts, but they won't be "the same instance". You would need to arrange on your own for some sort of data synchronization or shared filesystem or something. | 16:13 |
| larsks | Or, again, consider a different architecture or a different virtualization solution, depending on your needs and inclination. | 16:13 |
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| goukos | larsks: you are getting closer to my thoughts. :P I want to find out if there is an OpenStack project that does exactly this data synchronization | 16:15 |
| larsks | goukos: There is not. | 16:15 |
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| larsks | Although I guess you could run something like Gluster on *top* of your openstack instances. | 16:15 |
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| larsks | (or some other shared filesystem) | 16:15 |
| goukos | larsks: what about shared storage through ceph? | 16:15 |
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| kashyap | goukos: You can do trivially continous live disk replication | 16:15 |
| larsks | You could probably also use Ceph. | 16:16 |
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| goukos | kashyap: what do you mean? | 16:19 |
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| kashyap | goukos: Sorry, was about to expand, but trying to multi-task, fruitlessly | 16:20 |
| goukos | larsks: yes, but Ceph is for the storage. What about the services which are running? | 16:20 |
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| kashyap | goukos: For instance, libvirt has this primitive called 'blockcopy' | 16:21 |
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| kashyap | goukos: That allows you to live copy a disk to another host where libvirt is running, and can continue mirroring writes from source to dest indefinitely | 16:22 |
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| kashyap | Indefinitely _until_ you issue an explicit a "please gracefully abort now" | 16:22 |
| larsks | goukos: again, for service ha I am going to keep saying, "load balancers" :). | 16:22 |
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| * larsks has to take off for lunch. Back in a bit... | 16:23 | |
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| goukos | larsks: I'm not sure what do you mean.. Consider that I have only one instance alive to do my stuff. Where your "load balancers" thing apply to? | 16:24 |
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| bloatyfloat | goukos: It doesn't sound like you really want openstack here. To provide failover of services within openstack you'd need to setup clustering (eg pacemaker) to start and stop the appropriate services that you want HA across multiple boxes (if only 1 instance is working at any 1 times) | 16:26 |
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| bloatyfloat | you'll also need to handle potentially having multiple systems accessing the same file system, whether using gluster/cephfs or something else | 16:26 |
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| goukos | bloatyfloat: I don't want OpenStack to implement what I want, I want to implement what I want on OpenStack :P | 16:32 |
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| goukos | I want to keep the exact state of the instance on both hosts. I don't want to setup just the shared file system | 16:33 |
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| SDub_ | Hey guys, I'm struggling with SSHing into my VM post creation on my deployment of icehouse. I've tried to follow the common solutions on ask.openstack to no avail. Can someone help me further? | 16:53 |
| goukos | bloatyfloat: what about pacemaker? | 16:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | pacemaker makes my head hurt | 16:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you should just go use a conventional virtualization platform | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | you wont benefit from the added complexity of cloud | 16:58 |
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| goukos | Sam-I-Am: I want (to try) to implement this feature on OpenStack | 17:00 |
| goukos | what about this guide? http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/ha-using-active-passive.html | 17:01 |
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| swinn | goukos: the ha guide is one of the more outdated ones, it’s being reworked by a sprint team in the doc project | 17:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | that guide is also for making openstack HA, not your instances | 17:03 |
| swinn | yes | 17:03 |
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| goukos | ok, one newbie question. What does "making openstack HA" means? | 17:05 |
| zao | I'm going to have to look at that. | 17:05 |
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| zao | Intending to run the assorted "controller" services on ganeti or something, to get some resilience. | 17:06 |
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| larsks | goukos: "making openstack ha" typically means ensuring that openstack services remain available in the event of failures (so, having multiple nova-api servers in an active-active configuration, and making sure that your neutron l3 agent is not a SPOF). | 17:06 |
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| Isotopp | Down that path lies madness. | 17:13 |
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| goukos | larsks: but what about the instances? :D | 17:13 |
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| larsks | goukos: I think I've provided several answers about instances so far; you asked "what does 'making openstack ha' mean", and that ^^^ is pretty much the answer. | 17:14 |
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| larsks | Like Sam-I-Am said, just use a conventional virtualization platform if you're looking for complete fault-tolerance, or consider a more appropriate architecture for cloud deployments. | 17:14 |
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| severion | hey all. i could use a little big of help understanding how to enable heat for devstack using cloud-init. i have a really good working cloud-init config, but it's missing items for adding heat. i really want to get to a point where i can install and start using magnum. does anyone have any good references that could help me? | 19:03 |
| severion | (i'm sorry if this is the wrong chan to ask...i can ask elsewhere if you tell me where to go). | 19:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | any particular reason you're using devstack? | 19:05 |
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| severion | sorry...missed your message. should i be using something else for magnum? | 19:56 |
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| severion | Sam-I-Am: ? | 19:57 |
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| severion | magnum testing and development? | 19:57 |
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| larsks | severion: I don't know for sure...but you may also want to ask on #openstack-containers, where the magnum folks hang out. | 20:01 |
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| larsks | What exactly are you having problems with? I've worked quite a bit with heat and cloud-init, but zero with magnum... | 20:02 |
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| severion | oh yeah..good point | 20:16 |
| severion | thanks...(you've said this before...and i have a short memory) | 20:16 |
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| AliRezaTaleghani | how can I remove neutron dhcp agent vlan tag 1? | 20:29 |
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| pl33g0r | Sam-I-Am: Hi, do u couple of mins available? | 20:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | pl33g0r: not right now | 20:51 |
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| severion | so openstack-containers is not responding at all. is that the place to go for questions, or is that a work-group that i'm bothering if i ask questions? | 21:22 |
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| Sesso_ | I think here is the general support | 21:23 |
| Sesso_ | you might be able to ask and see if they answer. | 21:23 |
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| severion | i did...it's gonna sit for a while. chans been really quiet | 21:23 |
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| severion | i'm really just trying to add openstack components to a cloud-init file for devstack testing, and i want to know if i'm doing this right. | 21:24 |
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| Sesso_ | ahhh. I havent made my own. | 21:24 |
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| severion | i think i'm really close... | 21:24 |
| severion | https://github.com/v1k0d3n/kubelab/tree/master/build-examples/openstack-magnum | 21:24 |
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| larsks | severion: note that today was a pseudo-holiday in the US; I think it's been unusually quiet in a number of channels today. | 21:27 |
| severion | very true...in the US was wondering if that contributed | 21:28 |
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| Sesso_ | That and I think its still night in other countries to the east. | 21:37 |
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| severion | found my error at long last! :) | 21:57 |
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| severion | got it now. so i guess anyone who wants to try magnum in devstack...that cloud-init file (while still a little messy because i'm learning) will work . | 21:59 |
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| larsks | severion: what was your error? | 22:04 |
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