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| melsakhawy | #srartmeeting uc | 13:30 |
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| jayahn | o/ | 13:30 |
| melsakhawy | #startmeeting uc | 13:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 13:30:30 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melsakhawy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 13:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 13:30 |
| melsakhawy | #topic Roll Call | 13:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: uc)" | 13:30 | |
| jayahn | o/ | 13:30 |
| jayahn | hi | 13:31 |
| melsakhawy | Good morning jayahn | 13:31 |
| melsakhawy | *or evening :) | 13:31 |
| jayahn | hey, good evening here actually :) | 13:31 |
| melsakhawy | yeap | 13:31 |
| melsakhawy | #topic Merger Business | 13:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Merger Business (Meeting topic: uc)" | 13:32 | |
| melsakhawy | so I wanted to go through the three options for UC/TC merger | 13:33 |
| jayahn | yes. | 13:33 |
| melsakhawy | per Thierry's email , there are two options with little, to no, impact on the bylaws | 13:33 |
| jayahn | were there three options with no, little, and big impact on the bylaws | 13:34 |
| jayahn | ? | 13:34 |
| melsakhawy | and a heavyweight one that requires bylaws changes. This heavyweight option is the one where we changes the name of the merged committee | 13:34 |
| melsakhawy | yeah you'r right , the big impact one is the one where we form an amalgmated steering comittee | 13:34 |
| melsakhawy | what do you think ? | 13:35 |
| jayahn | it seems bylaws change is really hard process. | 13:36 |
| jayahn | if we can make sure there is no confusion, i would prefer option 1, which make things done. | 13:37 |
| melsakhawy | Yeah I was with the same opinion as well | 13:38 |
| jayahn | i am not sure though, having uc and tc name together would not create confusion among people. | 13:38 |
| melsakhawy | It may , Thierry prposed to have a designated "5" people team under TC that do UC business | 13:39 |
| jayahn | however, it would be better than option 2. if we removing "uc" word, even if it does not mean anything, it will have negative impact. | 13:39 |
| melsakhawy | yeah agreed | 13:39 |
| jayahn | so i prefere option 1 over option 2. even option 2 requires by laws change | 13:40 |
| melsakhawy | Yeah that makes sense. I don' think that we need "5" desingnated members though | 13:40 |
| melsakhawy | with the summarized set of goals , we can probably do that by reducing the number of "designated" members to 3 | 13:41 |
| jayahn | yeah, you are right. i also think we don't need "5" desingnated members | 13:41 |
| melsakhawy | just to have a quoram | 13:41 |
| jayahn | yah, i agreed | 13:41 |
| jayahn | okay, so what it takes to officially change "designated" members to 3? | 13:42 |
| melsakhawy | that's to be determined I think , but it'd be under the TC's governance to arrange that | 13:43 |
| melsakhawy | those members I assume will be elected/appointed by the TC's regular nomination process | 13:43 |
| melsakhawy | and then can be "designated" as UC responsible | 13:44 |
| jayahn | then do we really need to keep ATC and AUC seperate? | 13:44 |
| melsakhawy | Basically UC will exist, however it'll have empty memberships, with its business redirected to the TC's UC members | 13:44 |
| melsakhawy | Good point , I think we do | 13:45 |
| melsakhawy | AUC's have much less technical requirements to be on the list | 13:45 |
| melsakhawy | for example, at one point completing the survey was a criteria to be on the AUC list, It's not any more | 13:46 |
| jayahn | TC's regular nomination process.. will it be among ATC or AUC or both? | 13:47 |
| jayahn | even if nomination/election process happens under TC, if we keep only AUC can vote, will it be same as now? | 13:48 |
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| melsakhawy | good point. I see your point now , either AUC and ATC can vote or the list has to be merged | 13:49 |
| jayahn | yes | 13:49 |
| melsakhawy | I am not sure though, with the UC business being entierly under TC that AUC can vote on TC members | 13:50 |
| jayahn | i am not sure either. | 13:51 |
| melsakhawy | okay , that's a good point to raise | 13:52 |
| melsakhawy | I think what we want to ensure is that AUC is involved in UC's business | 13:52 |
| melsakhawy | right now we do this through elections | 13:52 |
| melsakhawy | but if the membership will be entirely TC, we need to ensure AUC also remains involved | 13:53 |
| melsakhawy | the other thing we probably want to raise is the process for merger | 13:55 |
| melsakhawy | shoudl we wait until upcoming elections and not hold one ? , or should we start asap | 13:55 |
| jayahn | we probably need to compare the number of ATC vs. AUC. how big AUC can impact in terms of percentage? | 13:55 |
| jayahn | hm.. | 13:56 |
| melsakhawy | true, but in principal , even if the niumbers do not sway the votes. AUCs are not involved in TC business so voting on TC members doesn't make sense | 13:56 |
| jayahn | that is true. | 13:57 |
| jayahn | do you think it will be good to communicate our prefered merge option and our thought from ops-meetup and from all the user group coordinators? | 13:58 |
| melsakhawy | yeah we probably should see our preferences from UC standpoint. Then we will communicate | 14:00 |
| jayahn | okay | 14:00 |
| melsakhawy | my personal merger option is to "not hold" an upcoming elections | 14:00 |
| melsakhawy | so our aim remains at August/September , this way we don't rush into skupping important details | 14:01 |
| jayahn | got it. i am with you on this | 14:01 |
| melsakhawy | okay , so how about we spend some time to think about the AUC/ATC issue | 14:03 |
| jayahn | yes, we need to think on this for sure. | 14:03 |
| jayahn | I will also get some second opinion as well. :) | 14:04 |
| melsakhawy | sounds good :) | 14:04 |
| melsakhawy | and maybe by next week we share our thoughts ? | 14:04 |
| jayahn | okay, sounds good. :) | 14:04 |
| melsakhawy | okay perfect | 14:05 |
| melsakhawy | #topic new business | 14:05 |
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| jayahn | do you have any new business? :) | 14:06 |
| melsakhawy | the only other item I had in mind is the PTG ,I put my name in for attendance | 14:06 |
| melsakhawy | it's virtual , hopefully by then we have a plan for the merger so we can present it | 14:07 |
| melsakhawy | other than this I'm good | 14:07 |
| melsakhawy | okay let's call it a meeting then | 14:08 |
| spotz | Hey all! | 14:08 |
| melsakhawy | hey spotz | 14:08 |
| jayahn | hey | 14:08 |
| melsakhawy | okay see you next week then jayahn | 14:09 |
| spotz | I just wanted to pop in as I finished something and see how everything was going | 14:09 |
| melsakhawy | hav a good one ! | 14:09 |
| melsakhawy | #endmeeting | 14:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 14:10:03 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2020/uc.2020-04-02-13.30.html | 14:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2020/uc.2020-04-02-13.30.txt | 14:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2020/uc.2020-04-02-13.30.log.html | 14:10 |
| melsakhawy | Thanks spotz, so far we;r working on getting the merger details sorted out | 14:10 |
| melsakhawy | hopefully by August/Sept | 14:11 |
| spotz | melsakhawy: Sounds good, if you need me for anything ping here or email me, not always around early morning but if I am I'll peek in | 14:11 |
| melsakhawy | Thanks spotz, will do | 14:12 |
| spotz | melsakhawy: take care | 14:14 |
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