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| edleafe | ianychoi: are you online? | 14:41 |
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| ianychoi | edleafe, yes | 14:41 |
| ianychoi | :) | 14:42 |
| edleafe | ianychoi: I just got your email to John. I was going to ask you if we should escalate this to the UC itself to verify | 14:42 |
| ianychoi | edleafe, please do that - great idea! | 14:43 |
| edleafe | Well, then - are any UC members online here? | 14:44 |
| ianychoi | edleafe, at the same time, I am about to write an e-mail to user-committee mailing list owners to double-check the queue in user-committee mailinglist moderation | 14:44 |
| edleafe | good idea - I would hope after the last round that someone would be on that. | 14:45 |
| ianychoi | I couldn't validate the recent candidate as AUC | 14:45 |
| edleafe | Me neither | 14:46 |
| ianychoi | edleafe, would you pleased reply from the candidacy? | 14:47 |
| edleafe | sure | 14:47 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot! | 14:47 |
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| spotz | ianychoi edleafe here now | 17:32 |
| edleafe | spotz: have you caught up on the emails etc? | 17:33 |
| spotz | Rain does a lot of sponsoring of events as the head of RDO, hell she picked up my flight to GHC to do the OpenStack session at Open Source Day | 17:34 |
| edleafe | spotz: Sure, I know Rain and her involvement. The question is whether there is anything that makes her an AUC | 17:34 |
| spotz | To be honest her status might be an OOSF decisioon. Should she have been on the list all along for what she does | 17:35 |
| edleafe | spotz: There are only 12.5 hours left in the nomination period. Can we get a decision quickly? | 17:36 |
| spotz | Sponsoring of events might qualify as AUC and she does run some too, we just have never looked at that level I think | 17:36 |
| spotz | Let me hit up Jimmy and Allison, to be honest I don't think I should make it as like I said she sponsored my flight | 17:36 |
| spotz | I'll include you both | 17:37 |
| edleafe | Speaking as an election official, I was given a list of eligible candidates. Rain isn't on that list. So yeah, someone higher up has to make a judgement call on this | 17:37 |
| spotz | email sent. I just feel no matter which way I would decide it wouldn't be seen as impartial | 17:42 |
| spotz | aprice jamesmcarthur - email about this conversation just sent, didn't see you earlier or would have just pinged you in | 17:43 |
| aprice | ah i didnt see the conversation was happening here | 17:43 |
| aprice | I can just respond here | 17:43 |
| aprice | so AUC criteria is actually something that the UC voted on and approved - it's not something that the Foundation staff controls | 17:44 |
| aprice | so while you dont feel comfortable making that call spotz, it would be a decision that would be made by the members of the UC | 17:44 |
| spotz | aprice And I'm just the only one who's ever online. | 17:45 |
| aprice | could it be something that's presented as a vote during Monday's meeting? | 17:45 |
| spotz | No meeting on Monday and the noms close tonight | 17:45 |
| aprice | it would require a vote and that may be the easiest way to do it. | 17:45 |
| aprice | ah | 17:45 |
| aprice | i keep forgetting about Labor Day | 17:45 |
| spotz | So I can email everyone and we can vote via email. But does sponsoring events count as AUC? RDO isn't on the meetup and I don't think it was ever in groups | 17:46 |
| aprice | i dont think it does | 17:47 |
| aprice | for the things that do qualify, it's more about individual contribution vs companies and things like that | 17:47 |
| aprice | are you going to email the UC mailing list? | 17:49 |
| spotz | Should I email the whole list or individuals? And if I do am I impartial:( | 17:50 |
| aprice | i think it should be on the ML so it's done in the open | 17:50 |
| aprice | so you will abstain from the vote? | 17:51 |
| spotz | I will definitely abstain, she's a friend and just arrange a $600 ticket to Orlando for me | 17:51 |
| spotz | I do think she does a lot for the community though even if in RH's name | 17:51 |
| aprice | given that it's already EOD in Europe on a Friday, idk if we will get quroum to approve | 17:52 |
| jamesmcarthur | Yeah, I don't think her participation in the community is in question. | 17:52 |
| spotz | Bel is on vacation too | 17:52 |
| jamesmcarthur | Just if she qualifies under the bylaways. | 17:52 |
| jamesmcarthur | bylaws | 17:52 |
| aprice | would it be possible to just hold the vote until the following meeting on the 9th? | 17:52 |
| aprice | since it's a special election, i dont think that there would be any problem not firming it up until then | 17:53 |
| spotz | election is the 1-4 I think | 17:53 |
| spotz | hence the oonly reason I pinged seeing the coonvo here | 17:53 |
| aprice | gotcha | 17:53 |
| aprice | if we are going to stick to that timeline, then I think we would need to stick to the existing bylaws | 17:55 |
| aprice | unless we could get a quorum vote here or on the ML | 17:55 |
| spotz | We have 4 people if I abstain and Bel doesn't reply due to vacation is that a quorum? Do we include outgoing UC? | 17:57 |
| * spotz goes back to being neutral and abstainy | 17:59 | |
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| edleafe | spotz: I have to run out for about an hour. I'll read the scrollback and check email when I return | 18:01 |
| spotz | Thanks edleafe | 18:01 |
| jamesmcarthur | Two members would not be a quorum. | 18:01 |
| jamesmcarthur | You're basically talking about changing the bylaws | 18:02 |
| spotz | I wasn't sure where my abstain vote would fit in | 18:02 |
| jamesmcarthur | oh... maybe it would be considered part of quorum | 18:04 |
| jamesmcarthur | Still, it's a little weird since y'all are down a member | 18:04 |
| spotz | It is something we should dicuss going forward I think. We take company driven contributions for ATC, but we're not foor AUC | 18:04 |
| spotz | jamesmcarthur: Hence why I | 18:04 |
| spotz | jamesmcarthur: Hence why I'm not sure what too do here and I'm defintiely tooo close to it | 18:04 |
| jamesmcarthur | Looking at general voting rules, abstain counts towards quorum. | 18:05 |
| jamesmcarthur | AUC contributions now are often company driven - taking the user survey, as an example | 18:05 |
| spotz | But we're definitely screwed with a tie right now | 18:06 |
| jamesmcarthur | I mean... if I'm being honest about things, Rain's fine contribution to the community aside, it seems a little weird to try to cram this through. | 18:06 |
| jamesmcarthur | Jaesuk definitely qualifies and if no other AUCs volunteer tonight, he would get the spot. | 18:07 |
| jamesmcarthur | Then we could advise Rain how to qualify as an AUC moving forward. | 18:07 |
| jamesmcarthur | Bending the rules to get someone in at the last minute, especially during what's already an extended election, might raise eyebrows in the community. | 18:08 |
| spotz | I know, I guess I was more looking for if her company driven contributions counted. Hence I feel acquired bringing it up and wouldn't vote on it | 18:08 |
| spotz | awkward... I can spell | 18:09 |
| aprice | I think if there was a detailed list of the events she has run and sponsored that could be sent to the ML for the other UC members to weigh in, that may be the best bet | 18:11 |
| jamesmcarthur | When you say company driven contributions, the ATC equivalent would be contributing to a repository under governance. | 18:11 |
| jamesmcarthur | The AUC equivalent is "Contributors to any repository under the UC governance" | 18:11 |
| spotz | Going back to aprice saying AUC being more individual contributions. Sponsoring and running events are AUC but she dooes them as RDO | 18:12 |
| jamesmcarthur | Sponsoring and running events are not AUC | 18:12 |
| spotz | I'm trying really hard not to argue either side of this | 18:12 |
| jamesmcarthur | Organizers of Official OpenStack User Groups: from the Groups Portal | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | Active members and contributors to functional teams and/or working groups (currently also manually calculated for WGs not using IRC): from IRC logs | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | Moderators of any of the operators official meet-up sessions: Currently manually calculated. | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | Contributors to any repository under the UC governance: from Gerrit | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | Track chairs for OpenStack summits: from the Track Chair tool | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | Contributors to Superuser (articles, interviews, user stories, etc.): from the Superuser backend | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | Active moderators on ask.openstack.org: from Ask OpenStack | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | Those are the AUC qualifiers | 18:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | If Rain doesn't qualify for any of those, then I think the answer has to be to ask her try again next election if she can manage one of those qualifications. | 18:14 |
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| aprice | thanks edleafe | 19:18 |
| edleafe | aprice: yw | 19:18 |
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