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| zioproto | hello all. I guess we have a meeting today. I will be here later at meeting time. | 09:10 |
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| jamesmca_ | hello? | 13:08 |
| mrhillsman | 1400utc | 13:13 |
| jamesmca_ | daylight savings! | 13:14 |
| jamesmca_ | thanks | 13:14 |
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| mrhillsman | yep hehe | 13:23 |
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| mrhillsman | got me up all early | 13:24 |
| jamesmca_ | sorry about that ;) | 13:56 |
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| mrhillsman | going to give a few more moments for VW leong | 14:03 |
| spotz | Ok, I wasn’t 100% sure when UTC would affect meeting times as google was still showing normal times | 14:04 |
| zioproto | hello | 14:05 |
| zioproto | is the meeting now ? | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, we'll go ahead and start | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | hopefully VW and leong will join | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | #startmeeting uc | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 12 14:05:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrhillsman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | #topic rollcall | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: uc)" | 14:05 | |
| spotz | o/ | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:07 |
| mrhillsman | #chair spotz zioproto | 14:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mrhillsman spotz zioproto | 14:07 |
| aprice | o/ | 14:07 |
| jamesmcarthur_ | o/ | 14:07 |
| zioproto | hello | 14:07 |
| jamemcc | o/ | 14:08 |
| jamemcc | hello | 14:08 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | thx smcginnis | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | welcome all :) | 14:09 |
| spotz | Hey all | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Sorry spotz | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Update following Ops Mid-cycle (tentative) | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update following Ops Mid-cycle (tentative) (Meeting topic: uc)" | 14:09 | |
| spotz | :) | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | i invited smcginnis to give us some output regarding the midcycle | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | The event went well I thought. | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | smcginnis basically as it relates to feedback gathering | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | And from the feedback I got from other attendees as all good. | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | There ended up being 100 people registered, 89 I believe that actually showed up. | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | Which I think is actually good. | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | that definitely is | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | Attendees were primarily from Japan, but there were a few from South Korea, China, India, US, and possibly a few others. | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | Much better turn out the Mexico City at least. ;) | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | There were two main tracks, General and NFV. | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | I mostly was in the General room, but the NFV room was pretty full whenever I looked. | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Not sure if we got any kind of feedback from participants on topics, but I think most were useful. | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | anyone have questions/concerns for smcginnis ? | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | There was a little talk about trying to vote on topics again next time to try to make sure the topics were of interest to attendees, but I felt most of what we ended up with was of interest. | 14:13 |
| spotz | Do we have much of a South American user base? That could explain the low turnout there | 14:13 |
| jamesmcarthur_ | Were there any key takeaways that we could convert into forum topics? | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | I think that was more due to the organization issues we had with two sponsors backing out late. | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | Or rather, one sponsor backing out twice. | 14:14 |
| spotz | Bleh | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | jamesmcarthur_: Good question. | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | We tried to wrap up with a feedback session and a "3 takeaways for development". | 14:14 |
| spotz | Could definitely mail the attendees | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | We got some feedback, but then kind of ran out of time and energy and didn't get as much of a ranked "takeaways" list as we would have liked. | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | There is an etherpad where Anne put some ideas to get the discussion started, but I think all we got were some +1's on those. | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | Let me see if I can find that etherpad. | 14:15 |
| spotz | It’s a start | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018-top3-requests Top 3 discussion | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | This was also interesting - | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018 also where all the pads are | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018-feedback Feedback session notes | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | mrhillsman: ++ | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | The idea of colocating with the PTG came up again. | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | Especially in light of the PTG financial issues. | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | Probably more discussion needed there. | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | But I believe we are all set for the second event this September. | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | got quite a few +1s there :) | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Definitely some pros and cons with that idea, but I'm starting to like it after initially being against it. | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | discussion with jimmy and thierry on format was really good, i think we have/had a good idea to make it work | 14:20 |
| mrhillsman | anything else on the midcycle? | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | Nothing from me, but feel free to ask any other questions. | 14:20 |
| spotz | I think it would have a lot of benefit especially if one day was planned for crossover discussions | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:21 |
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| mrhillsman | #chair VW | 14:21 |
| openstack | Current chairs: VW mrhillsman spotz zioproto | 14:21 |
| VW | hey folks - osrry for being late | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | Opportunities for evening drinks and casual conversation has a lot of benefits too. | 14:21 |
| mrhillsman | we discussed ensuring the venting/discussing aspect lives in openstack days events and keep the spirit of work at the ptg | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | like at the midcycle we discuss monitoring, and it ends up being what tools you are using and why, which is fine, but then find out if folks would like prometheus for example, and then have a ops monitoring session at the ptg, and work on prometheus support or whatever other tool | 14:23 |
| mrhillsman | anywho, do not want to detour us :) | 14:23 |
| mrhillsman | so moving on, looks like we are good here? | 14:24 |
| VW | yep | 14:24 |
| spotz | Yep | 14:24 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Formal UC vote on temporary governance proposal for SIGs | 14:24 |
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| mrhillsman | everyone clear on the temporary governance proposal? | 14:25 |
| spotz | Yeah | 14:25 |
| mrhillsman | any questions/concerns before we vote? | 14:26 |
| VW | none here | 14:27 |
| spotz | Nope | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | #startvote Is the UC ok with temporary governance proposal for SIGs? Yes, No, Abstain | 14:27 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Is the UC ok with temporary governance proposal for SIGs? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 14:27 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | #vote Yes | 14:28 |
| zioproto | #vote Yes | 14:28 |
| VW | #vote yes | 14:28 |
| spotz | #vote yes | 14:29 |
| mrhillsman | #endvote | 14:29 |
| openstack | Voted on "Is the UC ok with temporary governance proposal for SIGs?" Results are | 14:29 |
| openstack | Yes (4): spotz, VW, zioproto, mrhillsman | 14:29 |
| mrhillsman | good stuff, will let thierry know and we will get a clear communication out | 14:29 |
| mrhillsman | going to skip 4 as i think we can clear 5 and 6 quickly | 14:30 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Determine if any Zoom session are need to do discuss PTG output | 14:30 |
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| mrhillsman | do we need this? if so, doodle poll ok? | 14:30 |
| mrhillsman | to determine day/time or just do via current meeting day/time? | 14:31 |
| spotz | I think we covered most things pretty well during the one meeting | 14:31 |
| VW | well, but this was more for the specific things we got from Tokyo right? | 14:31 |
| VW | and I dropped the ball this weekend and didn't reach out to Anne | 14:31 |
| VW | or the ops meetup folks | 14:31 |
| mrhillsman | we had smcginnis go over tokyo | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | but we can definitely schedule additional time | 14:32 |
| spotz | Right before you logged in:) | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | we got this - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018-top3-requests | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | Not quite as concise as we were hoping, but at least some feedback. | 14:33 |
| VW | ah | 14:33 |
| VW | I'll read the logs and go from there | 14:34 |
| mrhillsman | #action VW to determine if we need session to cover tokyo ops midcycle more thoroughly | 14:35 |
| mrhillsman | ^ VW ok? | 14:35 |
| VW | yeah | 14:35 |
| VW | I'm thinking not | 14:35 |
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| VW | as smcginnis - not super detailed stuff, but plenty to start working with and circulating to regional meetups, etc | 14:35 |
| mrhillsman | ok cool | 14:35 |
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| mrhillsman | #topic User Survey changes | 14:36 |
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| mrhillsman | aprice anything here? | 14:36 |
| aprice | there aren't any updates from last week's meeting | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | awesome, thank you | 14:36 |
| aprice | I will be sharing the changes this week though - just need to get some time with folks internally | 14:36 |
| aprice | no problem | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Further discussion on SIGs, their governance and relationship to Teams/Working Groups following PTG discussion | 14:36 |
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| mrhillsman | so we have #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html#structure-functional-teams | 14:37 |
| mrhillsman | and #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html#structure-working-groups | 14:37 |
| VW | and we have confused them a lot ;) | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | indeed | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | we have the summary here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/UC-Rocky-PTG line 30 | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | is the problem basically no clear definition of SIG | 14:40 |
| VW | that's a big part of it | 14:40 |
| VW | but I stand by my statements, that the reasoning of "this is how we can get devs and ops together on something" is flawed | 14:41 |
| VW | we'd love that in Teams too | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 14:41 |
| VW | I think, for now, the UC should focus on cultivating Teams around operators that represent static groups of users - like Public Clouds - and making sure they are very successful | 14:42 |
| jamesmca_ | ++ | 14:42 |
| spotz | So are SiGs just the new thing because that’s what kubernetes has? | 14:42 |
| VW | some of that | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman create a draft of what SIGs are and where they differentiate from TC/UC governed teams, projects, and working groups | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | nah, SIGs have been around for a long time in varying capacities | 14:43 |
| jamesmca_ | but they have been called working groups | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | i first learned about them from centos/fedora | 14:43 |
| VW | and there was legit concern that if UC "owned" some groups and TC "owned" others, then the folks on the other side couldn't participate | 14:43 |
| VW | so this was a bit of an attempt to fix | 14:43 |
| VW | potentially misguided, but it is what it is | 14:44 |
| VW | they are here, and they are doing some good things | 14:44 |
| VW | so we should really firm up what we thing best represents ongoing groups of users | 14:44 |
| VW | and assign a UC member to liaison to each | 14:44 |
| VW | and help tem get what all they need | 14:44 |
| jamesmca_ | well said VW: | 14:44 |
| VW | including dev participation, etc | 14:44 |
| spotz | Sounds reasonable thanks | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | here is the current list #link https://governance.openstack.org/sigs/ | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | even though there was a "push" to move to SIG we still have quite a few teams/wgs that are not | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | and i think they would agree we need to do the same for them | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | how do we want to handle liaising? | 14:49 |
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| VW | it's probably time to have another cross WG meeting | 14:49 |
| thingee | o/ | 14:49 |
| VW | or at least have a them all let us know if they are still active and/or need to be spun down | 14:49 |
| mrhillsman | hey thingee | 14:50 |
| VW | mine, for example, is probably the latter, but I need to confirm with the previously active members | 14:50 |
| VW | howdy thingee | 14:50 |
| spotz | vw I know a few showed up during the session in Sydney | 14:50 |
| spotz | hey thingee | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | it can be tough to get folks | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | can we do email + meeting | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | time check - 8 minutes left | 14:52 |
| thingee | hi hi, meant to be here earlier to participate :) | 14:52 |
| VW | yeah - we can start with email | 14:54 |
| VW | give me the action to draft first one | 14:54 |
| VW | but I'd like two weeks since i'll be skiing this week :) | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | hehe, ++ | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | #action VW draft email for cross-wg discussion on active/non-active in a couple weeks | 14:55 |
| spotz | Not enough snow in Dublin?:) | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Open Discussion | 14:55 |
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| mrhillsman | anything in the last 5? :) | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | i would like to say please be sure to review #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/UC-Rocky-PTG if you have not already and put comments/suggestions | 14:56 |
| VW | I've read it many times, but will continue to noodle on it and refine comments | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | welp, thx everyone for joining! | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | will end here | 14:58 |
| aprice | thanks! | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 12 14:58:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-03-12-14.05.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-03-12-14.05.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-03-12-14.05.log.html | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | make it a great week! | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | ttyl | 14:58 |
| VW | thanks for driving mrhillsman | 14:59 |
| spotz | Thanks! | 14:59 |
| zioproto | bye :) | 14:59 |
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