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| VW_ | one sec, let me reconnect over VPN and I'll start the meeting if no one else has | 18:01 |
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| mrhillsman | ok | 18:01 |
| leong | o/ | 18:01 |
| spotz | sounds good | 18:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 18:01 |
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| VW_ | cool, looks like someone kicked off the meeting | 18:03 |
| mrhillsman | nope | 18:03 |
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| VW | oh | 18:03 |
| VW | well then | 18:03 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 18:03 |
| jamesmcarthur | hello | 18:03 |
| VW | #startmeeting uc | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 5 18:03:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 18:03 |
| leong | hello all... | 18:03 |
| aprice | o/ | 18:03 |
| VW | looks like we have most of the crew | 18:03 |
| VW | #topic Roll Call | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:03 | |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 18:04 |
| VW | #chair leong spotz mrhillsman zioproto | 18:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: VW leong mrhillsman spotz zioproto | 18:04 |
| leong | o | 18:04 |
| leong | o/ | 18:04 |
| spotz | o/ | 18:04 |
| VW | reminder that the agenda is here | 18:04 |
| VW | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 18:04 |
| jamesmcarthur | o/ | 18:05 |
| VW | cool, we have a lot to cover and I'd like to give aprice a good chunk of time, so let's keep rolling | 18:05 |
| VW | #topic Election Results and welcome new members | 18:05 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Election Results and welcome new members (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:05 | |
| mrhillsman | welcome spotz and leong ! | 18:06 |
| VW | so, some of this we covered because everyone was able to hop in the impromptu | 18:06 |
| spotz | Thanks!:) | 18:06 |
| leong | thanks! | 18:06 |
| mrhillsman | election results #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee/UC-Election-Feb18 | 18:06 |
| leong | looking forward for another great year :) | 18:06 |
| VW | congrats to you both - and to you for re-electon mrhillsman - looking forward to working with this team | 18:06 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 18:07 |
| VW | but, with Edgar stepping down, we do need to elect a chair (and a vice chair it turns out - according to the documentation we reviewed last week) | 18:07 |
| leong | VW ++ | 18:08 |
| spotz | ++ | 18:08 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:08 |
| spotz | Looking at the wiki it doesn't list our Vice Chair, did we not have one? | 18:08 |
| mrhillsman | we did not have one unfortunately | 18:08 |
| VW | don't think we realized we were supposed to do that until just recently | 18:09 |
| VW | but it makes sense | 18:09 |
| spotz | Yeah as they would have moved up in this case | 18:09 |
| VW | maybe - that's actually one thing that we need to probably define. I don't know that there are terms assigned to the role | 18:10 |
| VW | so, in theory, we could do this process every 6 months - even if all the players stay the same | 18:10 |
| mrhillsman | we did this the election last feb | 18:10 |
| VW | we did it again in August though | 18:11 |
| VW | when zioproto and i joined | 18:11 |
| mrhillsman | yes, then too | 18:11 |
| leong | should we mandate that process every cycle? if we do that, will be great to document it :-) | 18:11 |
| spotz | Ok so I'll propose based on that everyy 6 months with the co stepping up if the chair has to drop out before the next vote? | 18:11 |
| mrhillsman | chair is basically the same as members | 18:11 |
| VW | yeah | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | except voted in | 18:12 |
| VW | we'll put some future agenda items to refine all that spotz/leong | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | we definitely need to ^ | 18:12 |
| jamesmcarthur | VW: not to get into the weeds too much, but is there a definition behind hte duties of teh chair and vice chair? | 18:12 |
| VW | have it nailed down before the next election | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | 12 minutes pass so we should probably vote on both and then we can fill gaps | 18:13 |
| VW | agreed | 18:13 |
| leong | ++ | 18:13 |
| VW | was going to see if zioproto might appear before we did | 18:13 |
| VW | but we should keep moving | 18:13 |
| mrhillsman | jamesmcarthur: yes #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html | 18:13 |
| mrhillsman | sorry #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html#uc-chair-and-membership | 18:14 |
| leong | for references. this is a role define for TC #link TC Chair https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#tc-chair | 18:14 |
| mrhillsman | however i do think we need to at some point before the next election ensure we pin down better details for both chair and vice-chair | 18:15 |
| jamesmcarthur | ++ | 18:15 |
| spotz | ++ | 18:15 |
| VW | yeah - because the public doc doesn't even bring up the vice | 18:15 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:15 |
| VW | that must have been in the working docs we found | 18:15 |
| aprice | ++ | 18:15 |
| VW | Ok lots to do | 18:15 |
| leong | both looks about the same.... haha | 18:15 |
| VW | but... | 18:15 |
| mrhillsman | which we mentioned in aug but never resolved | 18:15 |
| VW | #topic Election of UC chair | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Election of UC chair (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:15 | |
| spotz | Nominations/VOlunteers?:) | 18:16 |
| leong | any volunteers first? | 18:16 |
| mrhillsman | well, based on discussion i had with VW, i will volunteer | 18:16 |
| leong | for chair? | 18:17 |
| VW | I am more than happy to, but personally thought that mrhillsman has the most tenure and made sense | 18:17 |
| leong | mrhillsman: i second that :) | 18:17 |
| spotz | ++ I'll thirs:) | 18:17 |
| spotz | third even | 18:17 |
| leong | any competing ? | 18:17 |
| mrhillsman | so we need vote :) | 18:17 |
| spotz | Unless zioproto comes or mrhillsman nominates someone I think it's unanimous | 18:18 |
| leong | looks like no competition for mrhillsman as chair? | 18:18 |
| VW | we still need to record it | 18:18 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:18 |
| VW | let me recall how do do that real quick | 18:18 |
| spotz | vw I think it's #poll | 18:18 |
| leong | i have the cheatsheet :) | 18:18 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#voting | 18:19 |
| leong | i think is # startvote <voting question>? <voting options> | 18:19 |
| mrhillsman | lost dang connection for a moment | 18:19 |
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| VW | Ok - standby | 18:20 |
| emagana | HI. | 18:20 |
| leong | hi emagana | 18:20 |
| emagana | Sorry I am super late! | 18:20 |
| spotz | emagana: Hey! | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | ugh, i think i am still showing away | 18:20 |
| leong | #link irc cheatsheet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l7UxXerDtbk2EXkppTVTqe3dMou_4T8PTDkFjB01YQk/edit#heading=h.ab86je9hzzzi | 18:21 |
| spotz | mrhillsman: I think you're ok unless the bot is showing you not here | 18:21 |
| emagana | Congratulations! leong spotz mrhillsman | 18:21 |
| leong | thanks emagana | 18:21 |
| spotz | thanks emagana | 18:21 |
| VW | #startvote All in favor of mrhillsman as UC chair for at least the next 6 monhts Yes, No, Abstain | 18:21 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 18:21 |
| VW | #startvote All in favor of mrhillsman as UC chair for at least the next 6 months? Yes, No, Abstain | 18:22 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: All in favor of mrhillsman as UC chair for at least the next 6 months? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 18:22 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:22 |
| spotz | #vote yes | 18:22 |
| leong | #vote Yes | 18:22 |
| VW | #vote yes | 18:22 |
| mrhillsman | #vote Yes | 18:22 |
| VW | well then... | 18:22 |
| leong | you need to endvote to show result :-) | 18:22 |
| VW | #endvote | 18:22 |
| openstack | Voted on "All in favor of mrhillsman as UC chair for at least the next 6 months?" Results are | 18:22 |
| openstack | Yes (4): mrhillsman, VW, leong, spotz | 18:22 |
| mrhillsman | i nominate VW as vice-chair :) | 18:22 |
| spotz | ++ | 18:23 |
| spotz | :) | 18:23 |
| leong | +1 | 18:23 |
| mrhillsman | #startvote All in favor of VW as UC vice-chair for at least the next 6 months? Yes, No, Abstain | 18:23 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: All in favor of VW as UC vice-chair for at least the next 6 months? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 18:23 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:23 |
| mrhillsman | #vote Yes | 18:23 |
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| leong | #vote Yes | 18:23 |
| VW | #vote yes | 18:23 |
| spotz | #vote yes | 18:23 |
| mrhillsman | #endvote | 18:24 |
| openstack | Voted on "All in favor of VW as UC vice-chair for at least the next 6 months?" Results are | 18:24 |
| openstack | Yes (4): spotz, VW, leong, mrhillsman | 18:24 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 18:24 |
| mrhillsman | done hehe | 18:24 |
| VW | lol | 18:24 |
| spotz | Easy Peasy! | 18:24 |
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| leong | that was quick.. | 18:24 |
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| VW | #action mrhillsman VW add details to UC charter for vice chair | 18:24 |
| VW | cool - housekeeping out of the way let's get some updates on the user survey | 18:24 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman report result of UC chair/vice-chair voting to board | 18:24 |
| leong | btw mrhillsman , can we remove "undefined" and just leave blank for the rest? :) | 18:24 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:24 |
| leong | i mean on the goverannce page | 18:25 |
| mrhillsman | sure thing | 18:25 |
| mrhillsman | got you | 18:25 |
| VW | #topic User Survey | 18:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Survey (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:25 | |
| aprice | hi everyone - I wanted to provide updates and gather input on the 2018 direction. | 18:25 |
| VW | we will now turn floor over to the fabulous, but jet lagged aprice :) | 18:25 |
| aprice | in Sydney, we introduced the idea of moving to an annual report for several reasons. We were not seeing much change in the 6 month versions, and it was also a large lift both from the Foundation staff as well as the UC. Now that we have the dashboard at openstack.org/analytics, we proposed moving to a single report a year. | 18:26 |
| aprice | The timeline we have discussed is a 12 month timeframe of mid August through mid August the following year (365 days). The report will then come out 6-8 weeks later, in September / October with help from the UC as well as a Survey team. | 18:27 |
| leong | #link OpenStack Survey Report https://www.openstack.org/analytics | 18:27 |
| aprice | So, when we publish a report in September of 2018 it will cover data collected mid August 2017 to mid August 2018. We would then do heavy promotion at the end of the cycle, which in this case will be early April through mid August like we have done in previous years. This would allow us to leverage the OpenStack Summit (April or May) as well as June & July OpenStack Days as promotion opportunities while promoting | 18:28 |
| aprice | it year round at other events. | 18:28 |
| aprice | is there any feedback around the move to go to an annual report or the proposed timeline? | 18:29 |
| leong | aprice: is the "data collection" a year-round? | 18:29 |
| aprice | leong: yes | 18:29 |
| leong | got it | 18:29 |
| spotz | aprice I think it sounds like a good plan, with the reminders/touchpoints to get folks to submit | 18:29 |
| aprice | and the dashboard at https://www.openstack.org/analytics will update throughout the year | 18:29 |
| aprice | yeah and I really want to work closer with the UC and Board on communicating the importance of the survey as a feedback channel. | 18:30 |
| aprice | We share a lot of the project specific feedback and adoption metrics with PTLs | 18:30 |
| VW | so, in theory one operator could update the survey multiple times if upgardes are done, new services leveraged, large growth, etc | 18:30 |
| jamesmcarthur | VW: correct | 18:31 |
| aprice | correct | 18:31 |
| aprice | and we would communicate the cut off date for a particular period | 18:31 |
| VW | I could also see a point where - if we get really good at all the other stuff we talked about last week - we might even keep space for specific feedback on key themes the UC is driving towards forum sessions/software changes | 18:32 |
| spotz | If I rmember in Barcelona there was someone near registration encouraging/bribing folks to do the survey which is probably something tht should continue to be utilized | 18:32 |
| VW | but that's just me thinking ahead a bit | 18:32 |
| mrhillsman | i was thinking the same | 18:32 |
| aprice | VW: ++ | 18:32 |
| jamesmcarthur | VW: that's a good thought | 18:32 |
| mrhillsman | in general with it being open for such an extended period of time, it does not feel like such a task twice a year | 18:33 |
| aprice | spotz: we have done that in previous years and I think that's something we can definitely revisit | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | and the additional communication/touch points can help drive home the benefit; along with the other stuff as VW mentioned | 18:33 |
| aprice | mrhillsman: exactly. we received a lot of feedback last year from very engaged users that they felt like they just took the survey and then we were asking them to take it again | 18:33 |
| VW | yeah - since Vacouver will be in that "hard push" window you talked about | 18:33 |
| aprice | and I think that if we communicate the benefit of taking it and making it an annual process, it will be easier to show them the value of taking it. | 18:34 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:34 |
| jamesmcarthur | ++ | 18:34 |
| VW | agreed | 18:34 |
| spotz | ++ | 18:34 |
| leong | aprice: instead of asking the question "do a survey again", we should as "what the differences compare to previous deployment last year" | 18:34 |
| VW | aprice - what makes more sense to you. The communication of all this from yourself for via the UC? | 18:34 |
| aprice | leong: we typically segment the communication and if someone has an existing deployment, we just ask that they update it. | 18:35 |
| aprice | but that is often seem as time consuming and repetitive. | 18:35 |
| aprice | VW: we typically have the communication come from the Foundation, but I love the idea of having it come from you. We would still manage teh communications / promotion | 18:36 |
| spotz | aprice - is it possible for someone to bring up their last responses? I can't remember | 18:36 |
| VW | should be | 18:36 |
| aprice | but I think that getting all of your names in front of the members - especially around this - would be a big win. | 18:36 |
| jamesmcarthur | spotz: yes, we pull in certain pieces of data from the previous survey and pre-populate | 18:36 |
| VW | you should have a deployment/deployments assigned to you | 18:36 |
| leong | spotz: i remember it does | 18:36 |
| jamesmcarthur | deployments are one of those things | 18:37 |
| jamesmcarthur | However, there is a tradeoff b/c people tend to not update if they don't have to | 18:37 |
| VW | agreed aprice - some sort of joint statement with the change in tempo, the reasoning and the dashboard makes sense | 18:37 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:37 |
| aprice | The Foundation will continue to promote it, but I think that we could put the comms coming from you and ideally have the UC doing a joint session in Berlin around the results | 18:37 |
| jamesmcarthur | So sometimes for critical pieces, we don't pre-populate it so they will fill it out with new data | 18:37 |
| spotz | ok so cool, so we just make it clear if you've done it before you can whip through and just update any changes | 18:37 |
| spotz | except critical:) | 18:37 |
| mrhillsman | i like the joint/UC comms because of the discussion around visibility and getting more involved | 18:37 |
| aprice | ++ | 18:38 |
| leong | i agree to aprice that UC can help to communicate with operators | 18:38 |
| VW | what's the target for getting an announcement out | 18:38 |
| aprice | so we are working through some proposed changes, but ideally, we would be opening it in early April, so in a month or so | 18:38 |
| VW | cool | 18:39 |
| leong | is there anything that we can do for this week Ops midcycle at Tokyo wrt to user survey? | 18:39 |
| VW | so, we probably need to keep this on the agenda the rest of the month | 18:39 |
| aprice | I can help draft a note, because I also think that some of the other changes are based on operator feedback / usage | 18:39 |
| aprice | leong: Anne Bertucio from the Foundation is doing a Foundation / UC update | 18:39 |
| mrhillsman | leong i think we are ok since Anne ^ | 18:39 |
| leong | great | 18:39 |
| aprice | and she has included a slide about the proposed survey changes. p | 18:40 |
| spotz | aprice Did Anne make it?:) | 18:40 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 18:40 |
| aprice | spotz: she is en route now | 18:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | leong: one message we're trying to convey to operators: get involved, sign up for mailing lists, take the user survey :) | 18:40 |
| spotz | aprice: Nice! | 18:40 |
| aprice | she will land on the first day of the event, but it looks like she will make it :) | 18:40 |
| aprice | jamesmcarthur: ++ | 18:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | operators and end-users | 18:40 |
| mrhillsman | ++ :) | 18:40 |
| VW | which reminds me | 18:41 |
| leong | jamesmcarthur: let me know if you need helps to convey the message to regional areas especially PRC... | 18:41 |
| spotz | I'm hoping to make the meetup in Austin this week if anything needs to be communicated | 18:41 |
| jamesmcarthur | leong: thank you! we absolutely will | 18:41 |
| VW | #action VW email Tokyo organizers that Anne was delayed and they might want to have a plan B schedule | 18:41 |
| leong | jamesmcarthur: even you need translation :) | 18:41 |
| aprice | leong: that would be great | 18:41 |
| jamesmcarthur | thanks! | 18:41 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 18:41 |
| jamesmcarthur | spotz: let me know when the Austin meetup is. I might be able to make it as well. | 18:42 |
| aprice | leong: we can move this offline, but one of the pieces we want to make sure we get right is the Net Promoter Score question for the PRC | 18:42 |
| leong | aprice: ok.. ping me offline | 18:42 |
| aprice | We heard that there was confusion last time and want to make sure it is communicated correctly. | 18:42 |
| aprice | perfect | 18:42 |
| spotz | jamesmcarthur: I'll forward you the email, but Thursday night at Rackspace | 18:42 |
| aprice | as for the other changes in the survey | 18:42 |
| aprice | we are trying to make as small of changes as possible so that we can continue to do YoY analysis | 18:43 |
| spotz | Good plan | 18:43 |
| mrhillsman | yeah | 18:43 |
| aprice | one of the things we are adding this year is edge computing & CI/CD as they are gaining momentum as well as reflect the focus from the openstack foundation | 18:43 |
| leong | time check 15 mins left | 18:44 |
| aprice | The Foundation staff is reviewing some of the proposed changes but once I get signoff from them, I will circulate with you all. | 18:44 |
| leong | aprice: +++ for the addition of Edge and CI/CD | 18:44 |
| aprice | My last point for the survey | 18:44 |
| aprice | I want to make sure that you all have the opportunity to weigh in along the way as we make progress with this cycle. | 18:45 |
| aprice | I like the idea of keeping it on the meeting agenda for the next few weeks. | 18:45 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:45 |
| aprice | the next big piece will be getting everyone's eyes on the survey ahead of launch | 18:45 |
| spotz | ++ | 18:45 |
| aprice | we will have a survey volunteer team again - spotz & mrhillsman are veterans :) | 18:46 |
| spotz | hehe | 18:46 |
| mrhillsman | 0.0 | 18:46 |
| aprice | and then through the analysis as well. with it being only an annual report, we hope that it's easier on you all as well :) | 18:46 |
| VW | Ok - making real time edits to the wiki | 18:46 |
| VW | user survey is on the agenda for the next two weeks | 18:46 |
| aprice | VW: thanks! | 18:47 |
| aprice | that's all from me | 18:47 |
| VW | cool | 18:47 |
| VW | #topic Homework for PTG output | 18:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Homework for PTG output (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:47 | |
| VW | mrhillsman: you want to drive this one? | 18:47 |
| mrhillsman | sure | 18:48 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/UC-Rocky-PTG | 18:48 |
| mrhillsman | this is the etherpad for ptg - surely you all have seen | 18:48 |
| mrhillsman | since we are short on time | 18:48 |
| mrhillsman | i think it best we basically review the items there | 18:48 |
| mrhillsman | and discuss the first next week | 18:48 |
| mrhillsman | and start discussion next week in terms of voting | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | if anything needs to be voted on | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | but we should start taking actions asap | 18:49 |
| VW | agreed | 18:49 |
| leong | mrhillsman: i have provided a few comments over there... i agree to let team review and discuss further next weke | 18:49 |
| VW | do we want to be realistic and try and have discussion and voting (if necessary) around official positions/actions each week for one of the major topics? | 18:50 |
| VW | versus trying to rush through the whole doc next week? | 18:51 |
| jamesmcarthur | that seems sensible. If you can knock out more than one, great... | 18:51 |
| VW | if so, I can tweak the agendas | 18:51 |
| mrhillsman | yep, i think that is good approach | 18:51 |
| VW | let's see how long the first one takes | 18:51 |
| VW | if we get good, we can always increase the pace | 18:51 |
| jamesmcarthur | I do wonder if some of these topics wouldn't be better discussed on a recorded Zoom. | 18:52 |
| mrhillsman | I also wondered if some face time would help | 18:52 |
| mrhillsman | So how about we start with - which one do we want to discuss next week | 18:53 |
| mrhillsman | We can start there and then maybe understand our pace and adjust accordingly? | 18:53 |
| jamesmcarthur | ++ | 18:54 |
| spotz | Yeah I think we can just comment on the ether and then in the meetings go as far as we can get | 18:54 |
| mrhillsman | Also we do not have to be limited to meetings; i think this will ultimately slow us down | 18:54 |
| mrhillsman | I probably have more time than most since all I do is OpenStack all day | 18:54 |
| mrhillsman | But we should take advantage of this irc and email :) | 18:55 |
| spotz | mrhillsman: **PHHBBTTSS** | 18:55 |
| mrhillsman | did you just cuss me | 18:55 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 18:55 |
| spotz | I'm usually about though you might have to ping to get me to look | 18:55 |
| spotz | pphhbtts are not cussing:) | 18:56 |
| mrhillsman | So we have 5 minutes, is one of those more pressing to anyone than the others? | 18:56 |
| mrhillsman | they are in no specific order | 18:56 |
| VW | Ok - see if these changes account for all of the above - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs | 18:56 |
| mrhillsman | ++ since ops midcycle is this week | 18:56 |
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| VW | yeah - we are actually piloting some of the stuff we are intending to formalize next week | 18:57 |
| VW | but that's OK | 18:57 |
| mrhillsman | and ties into our "be more aggressive about feedback" theme | 18:57 |
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| VW | real-time feedback and all... | 18:57 |
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| spotz | I think we definitely need to see where SIGs belong before we discuss AUC statuses | 18:58 |
| mrhillsman | bah, we should have probably voted on the governance suggestion | 18:58 |
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| mrhillsman | can we discuss shortly after time up here in a second? | 18:59 |
| spotz | yeah | 18:59 |
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| jamesmcarthur | sure | 18:59 |
| VW | yeah - and then if we need a formal vote, we'll add it to next week | 18:59 |
| mrhillsman | ok cool | 18:59 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:59 |
| VW | although it's crowded | 18:59 |
| VW | ok - sounds like we are about out of time for this rodeo | 19:00 |
| leong_ | or should we look at the Committee Doc and Goal first? | 19:00 |
| VW | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 5 19:00:19 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-03-05-18.03.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-03-05-18.03.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-03-05-18.03.log.html | 19:00 |
| VW | ok mrhillsman - what did we miss? | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | ok cool | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | so basically we settled on the idea of having the tc and uc chair for now with the foundation being the point of escalation | 19:01 |
| VW | ah yes - that | 19:02 |
| mrhillsman | right now SIGs do not have a stringent governance model; but that is not say we want/should keep it that way | 19:02 |
| VW | next week is getting pretty crowded, so we can re-arrage and put SIGs first | 19:02 |
| mrhillsman | since thierry and me are the culprits who pushed for SIGs, we have been discussing how to address concerns re governance | 19:02 |
| VW | do the vote at the top of that topic as the right next step | 19:03 |
| VW | and then kick off deeper discussion | 19:03 |
| VW | if you think this is time sensitive | 19:03 |
| mrhillsman | so basically the idea is operate as you have been, if there are any issues - only two leads for a SIG and they disagree - bring to meta SIG (we think this should be renamed) and if UC and TC chair cannot resolve - escalate to Foundation | 19:04 |
| mrhillsman | between now and Vancouver, maybe even Berlin, we need to figure out all the things so we can properly create resolutions under UC and TC governance repos/pages | 19:05 |
| leong_ | that's cover one aspect in terms of issue resolution.. but haven't covered the governance? | 19:05 |
| jamesmcarthur | leong_ i would consider it joint review, but SIGs don't technically fall under governance of either | 19:06 |
| leong_ | for references.. k8s sig governance: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/sig-governance.md | 19:06 |
| jamesmcarthur | the idea being that it allows both devs and operators to work together without feeling like the group is controlled by one or the other | 19:07 |
| mrhillsman | Yeah, we are reading through that and #link https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/governance.md#sigs | 19:07 |
| VW | ok - sounds like we'll move the SIG piece to the front of the line | 19:07 |
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| mrhillsman | so yeah, we need to figure out how much governance is needed, and more than likely it is going to change over time | 19:08 |
| leong_ | last point in the k8s sig governance "Represent the SIG for the PM group - see PM SIG representatives." Are we addressing this? | 19:08 |
| leong_ | and do we have a SIG creation procedure which is supported by both UC/TC? | 19:09 |
| mrhillsman | it is not a 1:1 mapping unfortunately, we have to decide what we need | 19:09 |
| mrhillsman | right | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | so two things | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | 1. for the time do we agree that UC and TC chair with Foundation as point of escalation is sufficient governance rather than no governance | 19:10 |
| leong_ | agreed for the point of escalation | 19:11 |
| mrhillsman | 2. thierry and i are reading through those items there and will create an etherpad for both tc and uc feedback towards official resolutions | 19:11 |
| mrhillsman | which we should (tc/uc) address all concerns/confusion re SIGs | 19:12 |
| mrhillsman | right now we have #link https://governance.openstack.org/sigs/ | 19:12 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://governance.openstack.org/sigs/#process-to-create-a-sig | 19:12 |
| spotz | I think that's a good escalation path that doesn't lean towards dev or ops | 19:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | ++ | 19:13 |
| mrhillsman | and please, everyone is welcome to read through the k8s model and any other relevant stuff in the wild | 19:13 |
| VW | Ok - updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs | 19:13 |
| mrhillsman | ty sir | 19:14 |
| mrhillsman | so that is the gist | 19:14 |
| mrhillsman | we are 15 minutes over | 19:14 |
| VW | we can make the above proposal an official position with a vote next week | 19:14 |
| VW | and go from there | 19:14 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 19:14 |
| jamesmcarthur | thanks all!! | 19:14 |
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| spotz | ++ | 19:15 |
| mrhillsman | hehe, he left quick | 19:15 |
| VW | in the meantime, I think there is enough unofficial agreement here to give you latitude to cover any issues in the next week mrhillsman ;) | 19:15 |
| spotz | mrhillsman: He's dropped a few times:( | 19:15 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok | 19:15 |
| mrhillsman | sounds good VW | 19:15 |
| mrhillsman | i will confirm with thierry where we stand | 19:15 |
| VW | cool | 19:16 |
| mrhillsman | and have the beginnings of something next week | 19:16 |
| mrhillsman | this was healthy :) | 19:16 |
| mrhillsman | thanks everyone | 19:16 |
| aprice | great meeting! | 19:16 |
| mrhillsman | i'll be in channel of course as usual if needed | 19:16 |
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| spotz | Cool, thanks everyone! | 19:17 |
| leong_ | have a good day | 19:17 |
| VW | take care, all | 19:17 |
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| aprice | thanks everyone! | 19:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Melvin Hillsman (mrhillsman) proposed openstack/governance-uc master: Update roles https://review.openstack.org/549869 | 21:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Melvin Hillsman (mrhillsman) proposed openstack/governance-uc master: Remove Initial Committee section https://review.openstack.org/549873 | 21:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-uc master: Remove Initial Committee section https://review.openstack.org/549873 | 21:43 |
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