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| zulijun | Hi, I have join | 19:01 |
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| mrhillsman | emagana want to # startmeeting uc ? | 19:02 |
| mrhillsman | channel is being logged but maybe more of an official thing using ^? | 19:02 |
| jproulx1 | Hi all | 19:03 |
| emagana | Do we need it mrhillsman? | 19:03 |
| emagana | I can start a new meeting but not sure if needed | 19:04 |
| jproulx1 | I don't think so, we won't be voting ... | 19:04 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone | 19:04 |
| emagana | So, the idea is to discuss the questions from the UC members on the proposal. And minimize the amount of effort need it to accept the Financial WG | 19:05 |
| jproulx1 | any one have link hand to the proposal? | 19:05 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L-BQai06BYvSKz-2gKYJijfIwVf-1mIDJf6DHb3OeME/edit | 19:05 |
| emagana | In my experience this time with UC. Anything can be adapted/updated over time. The proposal does not need to be perfect but have a clear goal and not overlapping with other WGs. | 19:06 |
| zulijun | shall I continue to go throught the key points of charter? or we go directly to the Q&A session? | 19:06 |
| mrhillsman | just updated permissions | 19:06 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: Did you create that one? I do not think we have permissions | 19:06 |
| mrhillsman | sorry | 19:06 |
| * jproulx1 doesn't have permissions to that doc as jonathan.proulx @ gmail.com | 19:06 | |
| emagana | Thanks! | 19:07 |
| mrhillsman | welcome | 19:07 |
| jproulx1 | there :) | 19:07 |
| emagana | I propose to go straight to Q&A. What do you ShillaSaebi jproulx1 mrhillsman prefer? | 19:07 |
| jproulx1 | +1 | 19:07 |
| zulijun | OK, your qeusitons please) | 19:08 |
| jproulx1 | my 1st question is membership, in general WG membership is open not requiring approval | 19:09 |
| emagana | So, my biggest concern is the structure of the WG. It feels that it will require a very large number of people. How many members do you have interested? Is it really needed such a large structure? | 19:09 |
| jproulx1 | ( mission, objective, and scope look good to me ) | 19:09 |
| emagana | jproulx1: +1 | 19:10 |
| jproulx1 | emagana: that's my 2nd question :) | 19:10 |
| emagana | zulijun: Could you cover those two questions. | 19:10 |
| emagana | ? | 19:10 |
| zulijun | sure, I am typing | 19:11 |
| zulijun | Regarding the 1st question. It is sure that membership is open to all. We only need approva l to open a new reasearch area to fill the gaps . | 19:14 |
| zulijun | as we mentioned in the charter "Expert Committee will be responsible for identifying the key technology focus areas and directions, approval to build or close a technology research teams and voting for new members to join or leave committee." | 19:15 |
| jproulx1 | It seems reasonable and expected the the group would collectively decide it's direction. "identifying the key technology focus areas and directions, approval to build or close a technology research teams". | 19:16 |
| zulijun | this is to keep WG effort on filling key tech gaps | 19:18 |
| jproulx1 | I'd like to see "membership is open to all interested community members" or something similar. In my experience it is unlikely people who do not have a legitimate relation to the FInancial industry and OpenStack would attend and cause any distraction | 19:18 |
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| jproulx1 | but having too much process to join may keep away valuable contributors | 19:19 |
| zulijun | Sure, we can add some wordings as you metioned. we will update it later | 19:19 |
| zulijun | jproulx1:agree with you | 19:20 |
| zulijun | any other feedback on questons #1 | 19:20 |
| zulijun | ? | 19:20 |
| mrhillsman | none from me | 19:22 |
| jproulx1 | that answers my concerns thank you. | 19:22 |
| emagana | I like the agreement on changing the wording.. Thanks zulijun | 19:22 |
| emagana | Let's move on on question #2. Structure and number of active members | 19:24 |
| zulijun | thanks，let me answer the question #2? | 19:24 |
| zulijun | Regarding quesion 2: how many members do you have interested? We have already communicated with more than 10 financial institution, some of which are quite positive, like Bank of Shanghai, Bank of china.In the future，china construction bank\HENGFENG BANK\China Merchants Bank\Chongqing Three Gorges Bank\China Industrial Bank. Most of them are banks and we are going approach more stock | 19:25 |
| zulijun | /insurerance companies later | 19:25 |
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| emagana | I believe that WGs should be able to self-organize in such a way that they are productive. I do not think UC should mandate that part. The reason behind my question/concern is that some WGs struggle to have enough people and some times a flat organization is more efficient | 19:28 |
| jproulx1 | For me the structure seems large for a new group and would require many people to start out. Typically WGs would start out with a simple structure - members who elect a chair and then add specialization as it becomes necessary. | 19:28 |
| emagana | correct! | 19:28 |
| emagana | We just want this WG to become a successful one. Our concerns and suggestions for you as chair. | 19:29 |
| jproulx1 | I wouldn't "object" to the structure described but I worry a little about being so specific before actual work starts. | 19:29 |
| emagana | +1 jproulx1 | 19:31 |
| emagana | any thoughts zulijun | 19:31 |
| emagana | ? | 19:31 |
| zulijun | sure, I am typing | 19:31 |
| zulijun | Regarding the question: Is it really needed such a large structure . We are sure that we can keep it simple at the beggining. Current structure is "chariman --> Expert commitee--> Coorination Team --> Cloud network team/CMP team/...." . If we simplify this to "Chairman --> Sub teams", is it OK? | 19:34 |
| emagana | It will be easier if you start with a simpler strcuture and as you start getting traction and members not just interested in the WG but also willing to do some work, then you can come back to your original strcuture. | 19:35 |
| emagana | Yes, basically we will feel better if you simplify the structure in the next version of the proposal. | 19:36 |
| jproulx1 | That would work for me. I do think the original structure is a good goal, just too much to start. | 19:37 |
| mrhillsman | i think you could keep your structure, so long as it is not a hinderance to your work getting started | 19:37 |
| jproulx1 | ^yes | 19:37 |
| emagana | ditto | 19:37 |
| zulijun | We will change it as your suggested | 19:38 |
| jproulx1 | I do not have any other comments beyond those two. | 19:38 |
| emagana | Unfortunately, I need to attend my next meeting. Feel free to continue the discussion. I have expressed my main concern. I will assume that zulijun will prepare a new version of the document with the feedback received and then we will proceed to voet it. | 19:38 |
| emagana | vote* | 19:39 |
| jproulx1 | thanks emagana sounds good | 19:39 |
| * AlanClark glad that emagana didn't swap the o and e | 19:39 | |
| jproulx1 | mrhillsman ShillaSaebi, anymore questions for zulijun? | 19:40 |
| jproulx1 | all mine are answered | 19:40 |
| emagana | Thank you all! And huge kudos zulijun for putting together this WG. We really need to cover the Financial Sector in the OpenStack Community. | 19:40 |
| zulijun | So when will you vote it? | 19:40 |
| mrhillsman | next monday | 19:40 |
| mrhillsman | nothing from me | 19:40 |
| AlanClark | thanks UC! | 19:41 |
| emagana | zulijun: As soon as you have a new version of the proposal with the suggestions, we will vote it. Potentially, next Monday. | 19:41 |
| jproulx1 | Thanks zulijun and everyone I think this is an important step and I know there's been a lot of work behind this | 19:42 |
| emagana | +1 | 19:43 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:43 |
| zulijun | Sorry that can we speed it up? | 19:43 |
| zulijun | We can change it tonight | 19:43 |
| zulijun | and I need your official vote to ask more bank to join in before Sydney summit. It will be a long approval process for then, I just want to kick-off the recruiting work ASAP | 19:45 |
| mrhillsman | we can continue to discuss the changes here | 19:45 |
| mrhillsman | this channel is always open | 19:45 |
| mrhillsman | personally i am ok with voting prior to monday but we need at least 3 current members to be available to vote | 19:46 |
| zulijun | can we vote via email? | 19:47 |
| zulijun | I can send the updated version via mail | 19:47 |
| zulijun | Just let me knwo your email address | 19:47 |
| jproulx1 | I'm not opposed but not sure how to call an 'exra ordinary' vote also I'm incommunicado for the rest of the week. | 19:47 |
| jproulx1 | mrhillsman: does this ultimately happen as a patch to the UC repo? if so we can vote through gerrit yes? | 19:49 |
| mrhillsman | last time we did not but i do not see an issue with voting via gerrit based on that yes it ultimately does happen as a patch | 19:49 |
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| jproulx1 | that seems transparent enough (even more than irc), but with just the two of us here can't promise that will be agreed to. | 19:51 |
| zulijun | How to update a doc patch on UC repo? | 19:51 |
| zulijun | anyone can help me? | 19:51 |
| jproulx1 | zulijun UC members would write the patch that adds you to the "official list" | 19:52 |
| mrhillsman | zulijun if you can just update the doc there on google | 19:52 |
| mrhillsman | i will write up the patch | 19:52 |
| zulijun | So once I updated google and send you a mail , hillsman? | 19:54 |
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| jproulx1 | then if we get 3 of 5 UC members to agree it becomes official. That sounds like a good plan to me. | 19:54 |
| mrhillsman | sure zulijun | 19:58 |
| zulijun | Is send doc to melvin.hillsman@rackspace.com, hillsman? | 19:59 |
| mrhillsman | mrhillsman@gmail.com | 20:02 |
| mrhillsman | zulijun ^ | 20:02 |
| zulijun | thanks | 20:02 |
| mrhillsman | you're welcome | 20:03 |
| zulijun | The meeting is close? | 20:03 |
| zulijun | thanks for everyone | 20:04 |
| mrhillsman | no meeting really :) | 20:04 |
| mrhillsman | but yes, we are done with the discussion for today | 20:04 |
| mrhillsman | feel free to ask any further questions here though | 20:05 |
| jproulx1 | yes thanks again zulijun I appreciate that Sydney is coming up fast, hopefully we can expedite this decision for you | 20:05 |
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| zulijun | jproulx1:yeah,thanks for your help. I plan to sydney. When I got the approvel for WG, I can apply for my visa that need a long process | 20:19 |
| zulijun | hillsman,thanks for your help | 20:20 |
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