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| dangtrinhnt | joadavis, thanks. I will put it in the etherpad | 04:51 |
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| dangtrinhnt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telemetry-train | 04:51 |
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| dangtrinhnt | 10m before meeting :) | 05:50 |
| hyang | Hi dangtrinhnt, this is Hang here, waiting for more people to join :) | 05:53 |
| dangtrinhnt | hyang hi, we still have time :) | 05:53 |
| zhurong_phone | hi all | 05:54 |
| shaoman | hi | 05:54 |
| dangtrinhnt | hi shaoman, before we start the meeting, you can have a look at this and put your name there #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telemetry-train | 05:54 |
| shaoman | k, i have added my name in the etherpad, thx | 05:58 |
| dangtrinhnt | Great. Thanks! 2 more minutes | 05:58 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, let's start the meeting | 06:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | #startmeeting | 06:00 |
| openstack | dangtrinhnt: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 06:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | #startmeeting Telemetry for Train | 06:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 9 06:00:26 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dangtrinhnt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Telemetry for Train)" | 06:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry_for_train' | 06:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | hi all | 06:00 |
| mrunge | good morning! | 06:00 |
| shaoman | hi | 06:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | so we have hyang, zhurong_phone, shaoman | 06:00 |
| zhurong_phone | hi all | 06:00 |
| hyang | hi there! | 06:01 |
| dangtrinhnt | joadavis, are you there? | 06:01 |
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| dangtrinhnt | witek hi | 06:01 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge cannot join | 06:01 |
| dangtrinhnt | lxkong is not here I guess | 06:01 |
| witek | hi dangtrinhnt | 06:01 |
| mrunge | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telemetry-train | 06:01 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: sorry? | 06:01 |
| dangtrinhnt | ah | 06:02 |
| dangtrinhnt | you are here, mrunge | 06:02 |
| mrunge | yes, I am | 06:02 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, great | 06:02 |
| dangtrinhnt | #topic Active contributors/cores | 06:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Active contributors/cores (Meeting topic: Telemetry for Train)" | 06:02 | |
| dangtrinhnt | anyone of you is the current core of Telemetry? | 06:03 |
| dangtrinhnt | zhurong_phone? | 06:03 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge? | 06:03 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: I am not, but I know who to ping | 06:04 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: the list is in gerrit | 06:04 |
| zhurong_phone | nup, I know 2 guys from China are cores, but they leaved | 06:04 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/107,members | 06:04 |
| mrunge | thank you witek | 06:04 |
| dangtrinhnt | Thanks. I'm expecting some existing core reviewers to join but seems like everyone gone. | 06:04 |
| mrunge | or in US timezone | 06:05 |
| zhurong_phone | almost gone | 06:05 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, no worries. It means that we have to setup a new team. | 06:05 |
| * mrunge taking notes | 06:06 | |
| dangtrinhnt | So, I assume everyone here will be active contributors | 06:06 |
| mrunge | -> etherpad, linked above | 06:06 |
| dangtrinhnt | Tanks mrunge. | 06:06 |
| dangtrinhnt | thanks | 06:06 |
| witek | dangtrinhnt: that's an optimistic approach :) | 06:07 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: yes! | 06:07 |
| dangtrinhnt | so, mrunge, witek, zhurong_phone, shaoman, lxkong, hyang I guess you guys somewhat have experience with Ceilometer/AODH | 06:07 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: somewhat, yes | 06:08 |
| witek | I would add joadavis to the list | 06:08 |
| dangtrinhnt | ah, my bad, joadavis too | 06:08 |
| hyang | yes, for me we have Ceilometer/Aodh/Gnocchi/Senlin running in production so I have experience in using but not much about contributing | 06:09 |
| dangtrinhnt | hyang, that's awesome as well. | 06:09 |
| zhurong_phone | yep, we are heavily user | 06:10 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok | 06:10 |
| shaoman | We now use ceilometer/aodh/panko | 06:11 |
| mrunge | so, interested folks are mostly users, no? | 06:12 |
| dangtrinhnt | Ok, It's good. After the meeting, I will try to update the plan for Train and we can officially update the cores. In the mean time, please share your experience with Telemetry via mailing list. | 06:12 |
| hyang | sounds good! | 06:13 |
| dangtrinhnt | I will make the process fast, 1 week maybe. To me, the criteria is experience with Telemetry projects and willing to contribute. | 06:13 |
| dangtrinhnt | Please raise your hand if you have any objection for that. | 06:14 |
| zhurong_phone | I maybe don't have many time on telemetry, but shaoman will be. | 06:14 |
| dangtrinhnt | Thanks mrunge for taking notes | 06:14 |
| zhurong_phone | agree | 06:14 |
| mrunge | I would argue, having experience does not necessarily qualify for code contributions, but let's see.... | 06:14 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge, make senses, that I think will need more discussion. | 06:15 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: you are the only core for now left? | 06:16 |
| dangtrinhnt | I'm just added | 06:16 |
| dangtrinhnt | unfortunately | 06:16 |
| mrunge | and nobody really has code contribution experience? | 06:17 |
| dangtrinhnt | with other projects but not with telemetry | 06:17 |
| mrunge | yes | 06:17 |
| dangtrinhnt | That's the problem we're trying to solve. | 06:17 |
| zhurong_phone | mrunge: I think we need more contributors, we can do it like the initial repo, first add the actives, and then quickly update | 06:17 |
| mrunge | uhm, no. you're trying to solve something difference, dangtrinhnt | 06:18 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: you're trying to keep projects alive | 06:18 |
| mrunge | that is different | 06:18 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge. Ah yes. | 06:18 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: ok, since you are the only core left (for now), mergeing a patch will only require one core +2? | 06:19 |
| mrunge | how about other reviews? | 06:19 |
| mrunge | .... this creates "rules" for merging code | 06:19 |
| dangtrinhnt | we need more reviewers of-course. I'm trying to find other experience developers. | 06:20 |
| dangtrinhnt | lxkong and people from zhurong_phone team may help | 06:20 |
| mrunge | we may have some time to review patches | 06:20 |
| mrunge | and also to put up patches | 06:21 |
| dangtrinhnt | Also, I would trying to communicate with the previous cores if I can | 06:21 |
| dangtrinhnt | sure | 06:21 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge, I don't think it is a problem since, I believe, all of us have experience in contributing to openstack projects. | 06:23 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: let's get started and fix processes when we see issues | 06:23 |
| dangtrinhnt | agree | 06:24 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, anything else? | 06:24 |
| mrunge | question: what does it take to get a patch merged? | 06:24 |
| mrunge | usual openstack projects: 2 cores +2/A | 06:24 |
| mrunge | with only one core left...? | 06:25 |
| dangtrinhnt | I will ask for more cores after this. | 06:25 |
| mrunge | ack | 06:25 |
| mrunge | next topic: Current state?.. | 06:26 |
| zhurong_phone | I think we need more cores and more fresh man | 06:26 |
| dangtrinhnt | to me, for now, the process could be: 1. Pass the CI, 2. The feature aligns with Telemetry roadmap, 3. well tested, | 06:26 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, let's move on the next topic | 06:26 |
| dangtrinhnt | #topic Current state of Telemetry | 06:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current state of Telemetry (Meeting topic: Telemetry for Train)" | 06:27 | |
| dangtrinhnt | So, now we have ceilometer, aodh, panko under OpenStack umbrella and seems like most stuff were moved to gnocchi | 06:28 |
| zhurong_phone | yes, exactly | 06:29 |
| mrunge | yes | 06:29 |
| dangtrinhnt | like the other day talk to lxkong and someone about cpu_utils has been removed and we have to calculate it in gnocchi | 06:30 |
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| dangtrinhnt | What do you think about that? what should we move forward with that? | 06:31 |
| sapd1 | yep | 06:31 |
| dangtrinhnt | sapd1 hi | 06:31 |
| hyang | afaik, aodh and panko are in maintenance mode currently? | 06:31 |
| mrunge | yes, that's my understanding, hyang | 06:31 |
| dangtrinhnt | I think so. | 06:31 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: what is the question, I did'nt really get you | 06:32 |
| zhurong_phone | afaik panko has deprecated in RHOP | 06:32 |
| mrunge | move forward with what? | 06:32 |
| dangtrinhnt | with the way telemetry has to depend on gnocchi, an external project. | 06:33 |
| zhurong_phone | I think we can't rollback | 06:33 |
| mrunge | yes, that is my understanding | 06:33 |
| mrunge | what is the alternative? | 06:33 |
| witek | we could think about alternative backends, like Monasca | 06:33 |
| mrunge | is monasca a backend? | 06:34 |
| hyang | dangtrinhnt: yes, I asked a similar question about cpu_util last week and lxkong replied me that he also got the same issue earlier. Currently after Ceilometer deprecated the transformer support, there is no clear way to get the cpu_util metric | 06:34 |
| witek | it can be, yes | 06:34 |
| mrunge | ... isn't the data store used by monasca the backend? | 06:34 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge, gnocchi is now a big problem too because Julien changed his jobs and not sure about its health | 06:34 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: I agree, yes. | 06:34 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: one alternative might be to move gnocchi back under openstack umbrella | 06:35 |
| dangtrinhnt | witek, I believe monasca use InfluxDB as storage backend | 06:35 |
| shaoman | yes, since ceilometer storage(mongodb) and api is removed, gnocchi must be used, and more things moved from ceilometer to gnocchi | 06:35 |
| mrunge | dangtrinhnt: yes, that's right | 06:35 |
| witek | dangtrinhnt: mrunge: Monasca officially supports InfluxDB and Cassandra as TSDB | 06:35 |
| mrunge | one possible alternative could be to store metrics in prometheus | 06:36 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, mrunge, witek, let's put them into a list and we will select which one will be the first to replace gnocchi if needed. | 06:37 |
| mrunge | how many contributors has monasca? | 06:37 |
| dangtrinhnt | not sure about that | 06:37 |
| mrunge | ... don't want to add another understaffed project as dependency | 06:37 |
| dangtrinhnt | agree | 06:37 |
| zhurong_phone | agree | 06:37 |
| dangtrinhnt | InflexDB seems like a strong project | 06:37 |
| witek | we have an active team of around 10 contributors | 06:37 |
| dangtrinhnt | prometheus is great too | 06:37 |
| sapd1 | If we use prometheus, we can use AlertManager too. | 06:38 |
| mrunge | oh, I didn't knew about that witek, that is great to hear | 06:38 |
| mrunge | yes, sapd1 | 06:38 |
| hyang | I think both Monasca and prometheus are pretty active | 06:38 |
| sapd1 | instead of aodh. | 06:38 |
| mrunge | there are gaps with prometheus, but let's see if that really hurts us | 06:38 |
| dangtrinhnt | so, what you're saying is we can possibly remove AODH? | 06:38 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge, sure. | 06:39 |
| mrunge | yes, that's right | 06:39 |
| mrunge | ... shrinking down would be great, imho | 06:39 |
| dangtrinhnt | Agree. I would suggest putting prometheus support as a feature for Train. | 06:39 |
| mrunge | ... re-scoping | 06:39 |
| dangtrinhnt | sure | 06:39 |
| sapd1 | Oops. So because multi-tenancy feature, We can't remove aodh. | 06:40 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, I would suggest talking about it in the team meeting. | 06:41 |
| dangtrinhnt | let's move on to the next topic | 06:41 |
| zhurong_phone | this is a really big change, I think we need a maillist to discuss more | 06:41 |
| shaoman | a lot of work has been done for different publishers, but do we need a offically backend and api? | 06:41 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, zhurong_phone | 06:41 |
| hyang | So maybe I miss something, but what's the difference between Ceilometer and Monasca-agent? If we keeps only Ceilometer in the Telemetry project and integrate with Monasca, why not just Monasca alone? | 06:42 |
| dangtrinhnt | hyang, that's a great question. | 06:42 |
| shaoman | yes, agree | 06:42 |
| joadavis | There are a few differences between ceilometer agent and monasca agent | 06:42 |
| witek | monasca-agent does not collect information from OpenStack notifications | 06:42 |
| joadavis | (and hi) | 06:42 |
| dangtrinhnt | It's a big question actually, let's talk about it in the mailing list. | 06:43 |
| dangtrinhnt | we only have 17m left | 06:43 |
| hyang | sure, I'm ok to move on | 06:43 |
| dangtrinhnt | let's move to the next topic | 06:43 |
| dangtrinhnt | #topic Existing bugs | 06:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Existing bugs (Meeting topic: Telemetry for Train)" | 06:43 | |
| dangtrinhnt | someone put this: ceilometer CI gate telemetry-dsvm-integration seems to be broken for older branches | 06:44 |
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| joadavis | I've noticed that over the last few commits | 06:45 |
| dangtrinhnt | I'm trying to fix that. Any ideas? anyone? | 06:45 |
| joadavis | I don't have enough knowledge to know what the hangup is, though I suspect older branches haven't been updated to match current Zuul requirements | 06:45 |
| mrunge | e.g this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/646055/ | 06:46 |
| mrunge | that was a recent change | 06:46 |
| dangtrinhnt | joadavis, it makes sense. | 06:46 |
| mrunge | the error was something with heat | 06:46 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, I will talk to the Heat and Infra team for help. | 06:47 |
| joadavis | another example - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/640223/ (which incidentally may need discussion before merging) | 06:47 |
| zhurong_phone | dangtrinhnt: I and shaoman will take a look too, our teme is heat/ceilometer | 06:47 |
| dangtrinhnt | thanks, zhurong_phone | 06:48 |
| mrunge | awesome, thank you zhurong_phone | 06:48 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, let's move on | 06:48 |
| dangtrinhnt | #topic TODOs for Train | 06:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TODOs for Train (Meeting topic: Telemetry for Train)" | 06:49 | |
| dangtrinhnt | 10 more minutes left | 06:49 |
| mrunge | it seems we need much more discussion | 06:50 |
| dangtrinhnt | yes | 06:50 |
| witek | is anyone attending the Summit and PTG in Denver? | 06:50 |
| mrunge | nope | 06:50 |
| dangtrinhnt | I would suggest we focus on setting up the team and the roadmap | 06:50 |
| joadavis | I will be there for Monasca related items | 06:50 |
| joadavis | +1 for roadmap | 06:51 |
| hyang | yes, I'll be in the PTG | 06:51 |
| dangtrinhnt | witek, unfortunately, my visa application has been rejected | 06:51 |
| zhurong_phone | I am appliying visa | 06:51 |
| hyang | dangtrinhnt: that's so sad to hear... | 06:51 |
| joadavis | I'm sorry you won't be there | 06:51 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, let have a quick look at this #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap | 06:52 |
| joadavis | I'd asked jd about the roadmap not too long ago, and he said there isn't one (I can dig that up in IRC logs if needed) | 06:52 |
| dangtrinhnt | we need to update it | 06:53 |
| mrunge | maybe collecting items in etherpad first? | 06:54 |
| mrunge | and then see what we can do in stein? | 06:54 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge, sure. | 06:54 |
| dangtrinhnt | Train you mean? | 06:54 |
| mrunge | yes, sure! | 06:55 |
| mrunge | and beyond | 06:55 |
| * mrunge needs a coffee, apparently | 06:55 | |
| dangtrinhnt | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telemetry-train-roadmap | 06:55 |
| dangtrinhnt | please put your ideas to the telemetry roadmap and we will discuss over mailing list | 06:56 |
| joadavis | a clear statement of intended use and architectures would be helpful too. That may come out of defining the roadmap | 06:56 |
| dangtrinhnt | something like a vision for Telemetry. +1 joadavis | 06:56 |
| mrunge | yes, that's a good idea | 06:57 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, 3m left. Anything else? | 06:57 |
| mrunge | next meeting? | 06:57 |
| mrunge | ... in one week? | 06:57 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, weekly I think is best | 06:57 |
| mrunge | or can we skip next week? | 06:58 |
| dangtrinhnt | Will send out and email asking for update the meeting time | 06:58 |
| mrunge | I'll be on vacation, and can't guarantee on network connectivity | 06:58 |
| witek | same for me | 06:59 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, no problem. We can figure that out, maybe in 2-3 weeks. | 06:59 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, time up | 06:59 |
| mrunge | thank you dangtrinhnt for organizing this meeting | 07:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | Thanks everyone for joining! Let's make Telemetry great again! :) | 07:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | #endmeeting | 07:00 |
| mrunge | oh oh oh | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "#openstack-telemetry is OpenStack Telemetry | http://wiki.openstack.org/Telemetry" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 9 07:00:18 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry_for_train/2019/telemetry_for_train.2019-04-09-06.00.html | 07:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry_for_train/2019/telemetry_for_train.2019-04-09-06.00.txt | 07:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry_for_train/2019/telemetry_for_train.2019-04-09-06.00.log.html | 07:00 |
| mrunge | no political statements, please | 07:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | :) | 07:00 |
| zhurong_phone | haha | 07:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | anyway, It | 07:00 |
| mrunge | seriously, jokes based on political statements often don't end well | 07:00 |
| mrunge | so, please don't. | 07:01 |
| hyang | Thanks dangtrinhnt and everyone, seems we'll get lots to discuss in mailing list | 07:01 |
| dangtrinhnt | It's great to see there is still many people here. | 07:01 |
| dangtrinhnt | mrunge :) have a great vacation | 07:01 |
| mrunge | thank you dangtrinhnt :) | 07:01 |
| joadavis | Some day we will have to share more stories about our observations of telemetry history. :) | 07:01 |
| mrunge | and witek, have a good vacation too :) | 07:02 |
| dangtrinhnt | haha. joadavis, true. | 07:03 |
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| joadavis | good night all | 07:06 |
| zhurong_phone | bey all | 07:07 |
| dangtrinhnt | bye all | 07:07 |
| hyang | ciao | 07:07 |
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