| opendevreview | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack/governance master: Move yaql to Heat's governance https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903992 | 14:52 |
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| opendevreview | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack/governance master: Move yaql to Heat's governance https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903992 | 14:54 |
| JayF | tc-members: meeting in ~50 minutes, last one of the year \o/ | 17:10 |
| JayF | #startmeeting tc | 18:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Dec 19 18:00:19 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JayF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 18:00 |
| JayF | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 18:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 18:00 |
| slaweq | o/ | 18:00 |
| JayF | Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct. | 18:00 |
| JayF | Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee. | 18:00 |
| JayF | #info Three noted absences: dansmith, spotz, jamespage | 18:01 |
| frickler | \o | 18:01 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:01 |
| JayF | that makes the six of us | 18:01 |
| JayF | There are no due action items; going to skip that topic. | 18:01 |
| JayF | #topic Gate Health Check | 18:02 |
| JayF | Any observations on the gate? | 18:02 |
| gmann | i have not observed any frequent failure this week. | 18:02 |
| JayF | It's been looking better than usual to me; which I think is to be expected during this time of year. | 18:02 |
| gmann | yeah, less traffic | 18:02 |
| slaweq | me neighter | 18:02 |
| slaweq | all looks good IMO | 18:02 |
| fungi | we had a few incidents over the weekend... an automatically upgraded haproxy minor release included a regression that took the opendev.org site (gitea/git) and zuul dashboard offline. also a regression in the zuul timer trigger resulted in lots of extra periodic job runs until we emergency fixed it | 18:02 |
| JayF | Sorry you all had to lose part of your weekend; thanks for getting it back to a happy place. | 18:03 |
| fungi | yeah, i was just glad we got everything straightened out by the time activity picked back up for monday | 18:04 |
| JayF | Thanks for that for sure. I'm going to move on if there's nothing else? | 18:04 |
| JayF | #topic Leaderless Projects | 18:05 |
| JayF | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2024.1-leaderless | 18:05 |
| gmann | one thing, how we want to go for ec2-api, PTL appointment proposal is up and marking it inactive alos #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903163 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902625 | 18:05 |
| gmann | both can be done also but we should decide either way | 18:06 |
| gmann | PTL appointment make sense to me and no negative vote there | 18:06 |
| JayF | Absolutely, please, lets get votes on these, either positive or negative. It's especially awkward with the inactive proposal as it's stacked on a passing vote item. | 18:07 |
| JayF | It's hard to tell explicit abstentions from inattention. | 18:07 |
| JayF | Thanks for taking care of this gmann, we've made a lot of progress. | 18:07 |
| JayF | Going to move on if there are no other comments. | 18:08 |
| gmann | np! | 18:08 |
| JayF | #topic Implementation of Unmaintained branch statuses | 18:08 |
| JayF | rosmaita: any updates from last week? I'd presume not? | 18:08 |
| rosmaita | nope | 18:08 |
| fungi | my change to update the security site merged | 18:08 |
| JayF | Can you link that fungi? | 18:08 |
| JayF | I'm honestly not 100% sure what exactly you're referencing | 18:09 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/901137 Update stable branch terminology for unmaintained | 18:09 |
| fungi | fairly minor | 18:09 |
| JayF | Useful though, thank you! | 18:09 |
| JayF | #topic TC Charter updates & Openinfra Bylaw Changes | 18:10 |
| JayF | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903236/ | 18:10 |
| JayF | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903239/ | 18:10 |
| gmann | i replied to frickler comment on #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903236 | 18:10 |
| JayF | It's important we vote on these and either approve or reject them in a timely fashion. | 18:10 |
| JayF | I'm going to note, I'm not sure we emailed the list specifically about this charter change | 18:11 |
| gmann | yeah, other tc-members also can reply and add you point so that we can move fast in charter change and then resolution | 18:11 |
| JayF | I'm not seeing it in my search, unless someone can confirm we did it, I'm going to take an action to send that email | 18:11 |
| JayF | so it's eligible to land next week | 18:11 |
| JayF | #action JayF to send email publicizing charter changes | 18:11 |
| gmann | I usually used to mentioned those in my weekly summary email but no separate email | 18:12 |
| gmann | but a separate email is also ok | 18:12 |
| gmann | but I would like to ask what is tc plan, do we want to wait till holidays end or we cna do before | 18:12 |
| fungi | it's not often the tc is asked to approve bylaws changes, so can't hurt to call it out in a dedicated announcement | 18:12 |
| JayF | frickler: you are here, many of the TC members are here, are there concerns we want to try to work out here and now? | 18:13 |
| JayF | fungi: I prefer separate emails for these things generally, I think it's easy to ignore recurring stuff | 18:13 |
| gmann | remmeber there is hard deadline but it make sense to do soon for foundation staff to get bylaws change in effect | 18:13 |
| frickler | well I'm still not fine with approving the diversity wordings | 18:13 |
| frickler | IMO in the current state, we could as well drop the whole thing | 18:13 |
| gmann | frickler: any other suggestion you have for having some way to handle the diversity thing if that happen? | 18:14 |
| JayF | frickler: I had similar concerns to yours, brought them up in the syncronous session we had with OIF representatives and lawyer, and basically got the impression that the existing language and tenor of the board made the existing diversity language essentially toothless as it is. | 18:14 |
| gmann | my suggestion is to improve our diversity requirement over time and we can merge the current version which is coming from bylaws chnage discussion | 18:15 |
| JayF | frickler: I am fairly certain if we had a situation, with bylaws and charter as they are now, where diversity rule was threatened, that rule would be changed/waived by the board in the same way you are concerned it could be waived by the TC in the new charter :/ | 18:15 |
| gmann | as it will be in charter, tc has always time to improve/revise it. | 18:16 |
| frickler | as a compromise just deleting the second sentence could work for now I guess | 18:16 |
| rosmaita | gmann: ++ it doesn't leave us any worse off than we are now, and it will be easier for the TC to make revisions with it in the charter instead of the bylaws | 18:16 |
| gmann | yeah | 18:17 |
| JayF | AIUI, any changes to that text has to be vetted by the counsel for foundation, yes? | 18:17 |
| frickler | or if all other members agree to the current text, I'll leave it at my minority -1 | 18:17 |
| frickler | s/all/majority of/ | 18:17 |
| fungi | at least changes to the charter don't need approval of the foundation board of directors and vetting by legal counsel | 18:18 |
| JayF | frickler: I think that's a likely endpoint, based on the conversation in the sync meeting. I am onboard with any efforts you want to make to help add more teeth to a diversity requirement. I do not know how to structure such a requirement. | 18:18 |
| gmann | frickler: you can start a separate review for that either remove it completly or other idea to improve it | 18:19 |
| fungi | that's something we could ask for help from foundation counsel on | 18:19 |
| gmann | that is the whole idea of moving things to charter so that TC has easy way to update/improve those | 18:19 |
| fungi | but would be better done as an iterative measure with limited scope | 18:19 |
| rosmaita | just for the record, i'm opposed to eliminating that second sentence (about waiving the diversity requirement) | 18:20 |
| JayF | rosmaita: ++ I am as well *for purposes of this initial change*. I am open to further changes in diversity language in a separate change. | 18:20 |
| gmann | that is why it will be easy to propose the new review for improvements otherwise we will go back and forth in current change | 18:20 |
| gmann | JayF: rosmaita: ++ | 18:21 |
| slaweq | gmann++ | 18:21 |
| JayF | Any further discussion on this topic? | 18:23 |
| JayF | #topic 2024.1 TC Tracker | 18:24 |
| JayF | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2024.1-tracker | 18:24 |
| JayF | Any updates on TC Tracker items over the last week? | 18:25 |
| JayF | I suspect the answer is no with folks busy for the holidays, going to give a minute or so for anyone to pipe up before moving on. | 18:25 |
| gmann | no updates from me | 18:26 |
| JayF | #topic Open Discussion and Reviews | 18:26 |
| JayF | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/status:open+repo:openstack/governance | 18:26 |
| JayF | Please take a look at governance changes, we have a few we've called out specifically but they aren't the only ones. | 18:26 |
| JayF | Anything for open discussion? | 18:26 |
| frickler | regarding zuul config errors there seem to be new ones created time and again, so I've given up on those, too | 18:26 |
| frickler | most of them by changes to zuul itself | 18:27 |
| JayF | frickler: Bugs around ironic branches getting recrated contributed to that too, rpittau is working on a better solution for that. | 18:27 |
| JayF | (basically actually making release automation understand/handle retirement of our bugfix branches) | 18:27 |
| frickler | yeah, stale stable branches not getting cleaned up is another issue contributing there | 18:28 |
| fungi | zuul has made it possible to separate errors from deprecation warnings now, but yes its expectations do evolve over time | 18:28 |
| frickler | also please review https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/903498 | 18:29 |
| frickler | to fix links to release pages | 18:30 |
| gmann | frickler: I was good on that, just want to know the plan. commented there | 18:30 |
| JayF | yeah, I looked over it, +2, if you are good with it, +2A it gmann and it's landed | 18:30 |
| JayF | frickler: feel free to ping me on these anytime, fwiw | 18:31 |
| gmann | maybe elodilles can confirm if release team is planning to fix page link from 2024.2 onwards | 18:31 |
| JayF | Just noting | 18:32 |
| JayF | #info Next meeting Jan 9 2024. | 18:32 |
| JayF | Have a good holiday everyone, either get rested up or find a quiet corner to hide and get stuff done in while everyone else is gone ;) | 18:32 |
| JayF | Anything else? | 18:32 |
| slaweq | have a good holiday :) | 18:33 |
| frickler | JayF: does https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903992?usp=dashboard need a special topic set? | 18:33 |
| slaweq | and see You all next year! | 18:33 |
| rosmaita | yes, i'd like to discuss the strategy for the ec2api PTL and make-inactive patches | 18:33 |
| rosmaita | sounds like JayF is in favor of both making the project inactive *and* appointing a PTL | 18:33 |
| JayF | rosmaita: There is nothing saying both can't land. An inactive project can have a PTL. | 18:33 |
| JayF | In fact, an inactive project getting a PTL is a great step to getting activity. | 18:34 |
| gmann | frickler: its project-update, done | 18:34 |
| JayF | frickler: gmann: I still have to go to the topic glossary everytime to figure out the right one; ty gmann :) | 18:35 |
| gmann | but we can wait for murano PTL +1 but seems they are not replying | 18:35 |
| frickler | as mentioned earlier, IMO murano should also be marked inactive | 18:35 |
| gmann | I agree | 18:35 |
| rosmaita | looks like https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903259 is ready to merge | 18:36 |
| JayF | rosmaita: IMO the best possible outcome is we nominate a PTL for ec2-api, they fix the gate and get marked re-active super fast. Second-best is they fix the gate and are marked re-active by D-cycle. Either way, if the gate is broken and they aren't landing patches; it shouldn't be in "C" | 18:36 |
| slaweq | +1 to what JayF said | 18:37 |
| JayF | rosmaita: I'll run the check-review-status and land things right after this meeting | 18:37 |
| gmann | ++ | 18:37 |
| JayF | Anything else on this topic, or additional topics? | 18:41 |
| JayF | Last call before I close up the meeting? | 18:43 |
| rosmaita | nothing from me, happy holidays to anyone celebrating | 18:44 |
| JayF | Have a good holiday all o/ | 18:44 |
| JayF | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Dec 19 18:44:46 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:44 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-12-19-18.00.html | 18:44 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-12-19-18.00.txt | 18:44 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2023/tc.2023-12-19-18.00.log.html | 18:44 |
| gmann | happy holiday everyone | 18:44 |
| slaweq | o/ | 18:45 |
| JayF | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903243 needs one more | 18:48 |
| JayF | I'm going to hold "Move yaql to Heat governance" for one week, to give the PTL of the departing project some window to see an email and respond. It has sufficient votes but has only been open a few hours. If this creates a hardship, someone ping me and I can land it. | 18:49 |
| gmann | make sense | 18:49 |
| JayF | actually I think 903243 is good to land, I misread the votes | 18:49 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Mark ec2-api project inactive https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902625 | 18:56 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Mark senlin project inactive https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/902626 | 18:56 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint Andrey Pavlov as PTL of Ec2Api https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903163 | 19:05 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Deprecate cinderlib https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903259 | 19:05 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Move CHAIR.rst as official reference document https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/903243 | 19:05 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Fix release links for numeric series https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/903498 | 19:16 |
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