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| gmann | dansmith knikolla dmendiza[m] rosmaita to get RBAC feedback, I wrote the question in new etherpad and we can have feedback in central place (instead of collecting from many etherpad) and we can refer this etherpad in multiple place like nova+operator forum sessions, ops meetup or so - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/rbac-operator-feedback | 17:13 |
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| gmann | it is hard to explain the things in etherpad so i gave reference but please feel free to edit the question or any other feedback you think can be important for us to proceed on RBAC especially scope thing | 17:14 |
| gmann | tkajinam: ^^ | 17:16 |
| rosmaita | gmann: ack | 17:17 |
| gmann | I will send it on ML too as a central place to collect feedback not just ops meetup | 17:18 |
| dansmith | yeah, it's a really thorny thing to explain, | 17:19 |
| dansmith | and I worry about people not fully grokking it and giving an opinion that drives our plans... | 17:20 |
| gmann | humm that is good point | 17:20 |
| gmann | I see someone strikeout this topic from opsmeetup etherpad, not sure why may be spotz[m] knows https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ops-meetup-berlin-2022-planning#L74 | 17:21 |
| gmann | because no moderator for that? | 17:21 |
| gmann | dansmith: just in case do you know John Garbutt will be there or not? I think he is attending summit but not sure if he has bandwidth or plan for ops meetup | 17:23 |
| dansmith | gmann: yeah I dunno | 17:24 |
| dansmith | I also am not sure how up on things he is | 17:24 |
| gmann | yeah | 17:24 |
| rosmaita | gmann: dansmith: i don't know if this would be useful or not, but this is the doc that explains what was going to happen with 'scope' in cinder in Zed (if we decide to continue) ... might be useful for operators to see what this would mean for one of the REST APIs | 17:25 |
| rosmaita | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/835525 | 17:25 |
| rosmaita | (probably needs a recheck to regenerate the HTML doc, it's pretty unreadable in RST) | 17:25 |
| gmann | rosmaita: sure, please add it as cinder ref the etherpad. it will be helpful | 17:27 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: ack, although it describes it as something that is "gonna happen" which is maybe not the best way to read about it if we're asking "should we do this"... but agree it's probably the best thing we have in writing at the omoment | 17:27 |
| rosmaita | yeah, let me address some of Alan's comments and put up a new patch with the commit message making it clear that we don't know the status of this yet | 17:28 |
| dansmith | is mnaser going to be there? | 17:28 |
| dansmith | I know he previously said he didn't like/want the system scope split (which is a good data point btw), but maybe he could help be an ambassador there | 17:28 |
| gmann | In summit yes but not sure in ops meetup | 17:28 |
| gmann | +1 | 17:29 |
| rosmaita | gmann: low priority question for you, but for a cycle-with-intermediary release with trailing deliverable type, are we supposed to be running the openstack-python3-{release}-jobs template? | 17:39 |
| rosmaita | I'm talking about cinderlib, https://opendev.org/openstack/cinderlib/src/branch/master/.zuul.yaml | 17:39 |
| gmann | rosmaita: if that is branched yes we should as old branches are there to test/support old python versions. but when you will switch to new release template is after it is released and start the new release development cycle. Like you added comment in cinderlib to drop the py36 needs to wait for cinderlib to be released for yoga first. | 17:41 |
| rosmaita | it is branched ... should we be running the yoga template now (haven't released yoga yet) | 17:42 |
| gmann | yes we can use release specific template but when to switch to new release template is the key thing | 17:42 |
| rosmaita | we have to make some other changes when we switch over to zed development, i can add this to the list | 17:43 |
| gmann | rosmaita: you can or your are testing the same thing even explicitly mentioning the all jobs present in yoga template https://opendev.org/openstack/cinderlib/src/branch/master/.zuul.yaml#L8-L10 | 17:44 |
| rosmaita | oh good | 17:44 |
| gmann | but when you start zed cycle there then using template will be easy | 17:44 |
| rosmaita | should be we running requirements-check? that's what made me look at zuul.yaml today | 17:44 |
| gmann | easy to understand the things or add a note there why you are testing what all python version | 17:45 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i think using the template is way easier | 17:45 |
| gmann | rosmaita: ah, good point. it should run requirement check one | 17:45 |
| rosmaita | ok, i may add that one right now, and we can handle the template adjustment separately | 17:46 |
| rosmaita | or maybe i will just do it at the same time, will be easier to understand | 17:46 |
| gmann | yeah, hope requirement check pass and does not require much changes in version mentioned in requirements.txt file | 17:47 |
| rosmaita | :D | 17:47 |
| gmann | rosmaita: this might require change as importlib-metadata restriction for 'Python < 3.8' is removed in requirements repo https://opendev.org/openstack/cinderlib/src/branch/master/requirements.txt#L6 | 17:50 |
| gmann | but I think job result can tell it correctly | 17:51 |
| rosmaita | yes, i already have that posted: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinderlib/+/844981 | 17:51 |
| gmann | nice. | 17:51 |
| rosmaita | that's what made me realize we weren't running the requirements-check (i had to fix it for cinder this morning) | 17:51 |
| gmann | ok | 17:51 |
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| mnaser | dansmith: gmann: I’m here, can I help in a way? | 18:52 |
| dansmith | mnaser: are you going to the ops meetup? | 18:52 |
| mnaser | makes sense for | 18:53 |
| mnaser | Me to be there | 18:53 |
| dansmith | mnaser: do you have a few minutes today or tomorrow to do a video call to get you up to speed? | 18:53 |
| gmann | mnaser: its on friday, here are the details https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ops-meetup-berlin-2022-planning | 18:53 |
| mnaser | Well I’m there that Friday | 18:53 |
| gmann | k | 18:53 |
| mnaser | It says sold out hmmmmm | 18:54 |
| mnaser | who can I be nice for to get a ticket | 18:54 |
| mnaser | And I’m happy to get on a chat tomorrow to get up to speed and try and bring up necessary discussions if I can get tickets :) | 18:54 |
| gmann | spotz[m]: is right person | 18:54 |
| gmann | for ticket | 18:55 |
| gmann | oh, i did not know it is not free event. | 18:56 |
| mnaser | That’s fine. But it shows sold out | 18:57 |
| gmann | I am sure spotz[m] might have some extra ticket for you. | 18:57 |
| dansmith | sold out seems really odd to me ... | 18:58 |
| dansmith | mnaser: what time tomorrow? | 18:58 |
| mnaser | dansmith: anytime afternoon Berlin time should be okay for me, which I think is your morning | 18:58 |
| dansmith | yeah | 18:58 |
| dansmith | mnaser: is 1600 your time okay? that's 7am for me | 18:59 |
| dansmith | actually | 18:59 |
| dansmith | I have a conflict there.. I could skip, but.. what about 1630 or 1700? I know that's probably getting kinda late | 19:00 |
| mnaser | dansmith: I don’t mind later in my day tbh | 19:00 |
| dansmith | mnaser: okay well, 1700 would be good for me, but any time after that I can make work if you'd rather later | 19:01 |
| mnaser | Okay we can do 1700 — could you send me the invite ? | 19:02 |
| dansmith | yeo | 19:02 |
| dansmith | here's the link for anyone else reading the logs that wants to attend: meet.google.com/txv-nztx-nwu | 19:04 |
| fungi | gmann: dansmith: johnthetubaguy won't be making it, from what i understand, so unless there's some remote solution worked out i'd assume alternatives are needed | 19:09 |
| dansmith | fungi: he was just suggested as someone who might be there to be the mouthpiece, but I don't think he's up to date on the stuff anyway | 19:10 |
| dansmith | mnaser is a very good option, so we're set | 19:10 |
| gmann | +1, thanks mnaser | 19:16 |
| fungi | mnaser: from what i understand, you can probably slot into the ops gathering if you're good with no food ad no swag since that was most of the booking concern | 19:47 |
| rosmaita | gmann: dansmith: see what you think of the new commit message on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/835525 | 21:25 |
| gmann | rosmaita: +1, generated html is clear on what API is allowed for what users https://ae0bc68ccddae2d48fe6-eb0bc8c584c4b7f1435696f4fd53c9a4.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/835525/4/check/openstack-tox-docs/0830704/docs/configuration/block-storage/policy-personas.html | 22:09 |
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