| gmann | clarkb: ack. different one. it will be schedule later based on interested members availability. | 00:39 |
|---|---|---|
| *** pojadhav|out is now known as pojadhav | 05:38 | |
| *** rpittau|afk is now known as rpittau | 07:10 | |
| opendevreview | Lajos Katona proposed openstack/governance master: Add tap-as-a-service to Neutron governed projects https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/802833 | 07:42 |
| opendevreview | Lajos Katona proposed openstack/governance master: Add tap-as-a-service to Neutron governed projects https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/802833 | 09:34 |
| *** diablo_rojo is now known as Guest2687 | 09:42 | |
| *** Guest2687 is now known as diablo_rojo | 13:35 | |
| jungleboyj | gmann: I will join the conference in 10 minutes or so. | 13:35 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, gmann join as soon as you can so we can go over some things before we start | 13:36 |
| diablo_rojo | dims and bob are already here | 13:36 |
| gmann | jungleboyj: diablo_rojo joining | 13:37 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Will do. Give me a few minutes. | 13:37 |
| *** pojadhav- is now known as pojadhav | 13:50 | |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: What are you in the UK for? | 13:58 |
| yoctozepto | tc-members: the time has come | 15:00 |
| yoctozepto | (for the meeting) | 15:00 |
| yoctozepto | #startmeeting tc | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Jul 29 15:00:20 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yoctozepto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:00 |
| spotz_ | Woot | 15:00 |
| yoctozepto | \o/ | 15:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| spotz_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | Wrapping up OpenInfra live event right now. | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | So, only partially here. | 15:00 |
| yoctozepto | jungleboyj: ++ | 15:00 |
| * yoctozepto listening | 15:00 | |
| * yoctozepto likes the discussion panels because then he can multitask | 15:01 | |
| yoctozepto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | ^ today's agenda | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | there were none | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Gate health check (dansmith/yoctozepto) | 15:02 |
| yoctozepto | I don't have much; I just got to experience the low reliability of Neutron | 15:02 |
| dansmith | nothing major to report | 15:02 |
| yoctozepto | Neutron CI* | 15:02 |
| dansmith | I've seen a number of rechecks by colleagues, but I didn't go look at what was breaking | 15:02 |
| yoctozepto | similarly here | 15:02 |
| dansmith | what about neutron ci? | 15:02 |
| yoctozepto | perhaps we need to ask for more cooperation | 15:03 |
| yoctozepto | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/801598 | 15:03 |
| yoctozepto | the recheck drama on that one | 15:03 |
| dansmith | oh? | 15:03 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, expand the comments | 15:03 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:04 |
| fungi | more generally, we did a gerrit upgrade a week ago onto a much larger server, and hopefully things are snappier now. also we have a project rename maintenance coming up at 15:00 utc which will include a brief gerrit outage | 15:04 |
| yoctozepto | rechecking for a week | 15:04 |
| yoctozepto | #chair gmann | 15:04 |
| opendevmeet | Current chairs: gmann yoctozepto | 15:04 |
| dansmith | yoctozepto: yikes | 15:04 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: yeah, gerrit is much snappier | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | dansmith: indeed | 15:05 |
| dansmith | okay well, anyway, I don't have anything specific to report on gate perf | 15:06 |
| yoctozepto | let's move on | 15:06 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Migration from 'Freenode' to 'OFTC' (gmann) | 15:06 |
| gmann | openstack blog is fixed now for freenode->oftc | 15:06 |
| gmann | few doc patches left to merge #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%2522oftc%2522+status:open | 15:06 |
| gmann | I think we are pretty much done on this and can close for tracking ? | 15:07 |
| spotz_ | I’ll check those out | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: hmm, I can't +2 on doc-tools | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | I thought the doc perms would give me that | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | but nah | 15:07 |
| gmann | that is separate than doc repos i think, same i tried :) | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | :-) | 15:07 |
| gmann | anyways that can be merged at their time | 15:07 |
| spotz_ | I can +2 | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | go for it | 15:08 |
| gmann | so we can remove this from agenda now | 15:08 |
| gmann | spotz_: thanks | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | let's remove | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | will gmann remove? | 15:08 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: or even +A directly as it is simple one | 15:08 |
| gmann | yeah, I will remove | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | and will gmann chair onwards? | 15:08 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: you do | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | I added you perms but as you wish :-) | 15:09 |
| * diablo_rojo shows up late | 15:09 | |
| yoctozepto | #topic PTG Planning | 15:09 |
| yoctozepto | and we have two subtopics in here | 15:09 |
| yoctozepto | TC Slots. | 15:09 |
| yoctozepto | https://ethercalc.openstack.org/8tum5yl1bx43 | 15:09 |
| yoctozepto | does it load well for you? | 15:09 |
| gmann | yeah work for me | 15:10 |
| yoctozepto | ok, the you'll know better | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | but I am pretty sure we got ourselves in on Monday | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | and Thursday | 15:11 |
| jungleboyj | Yep, it loads. | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | and Friday | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | the usual times | 15:11 |
| jungleboyj | Yes, that is when we are scheduled. | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | 13-17 UTC | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | ok, then everyone is aware by now :-) | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | I guess we can drop this subtopic | 15:12 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | remember we are meeting with PTLs / community leaders | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | on Monday | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | bring your best behaviour | 15:12 |
| gmann | +1. Monday 15-17 UTC | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | thanks | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | the next subtopic is | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | PTG Etherpad | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-ptg | 15:12 |
| yoctozepto | I see gmann has been working hard on topics already | 15:13 |
| yoctozepto | but everyone from the community is welcome to add their topics to that agenda | 15:13 |
| yoctozepto | we will decide on the order closer to the PTG | 15:13 |
| gmann | yeah, though we have time but any topic you think now can be added | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:14 |
| gmann | and final agenda we can prepare later | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | I at least added myself as an attendee ;-) | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | do that as well | 15:14 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | any thoughts on PTG agenda? | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | I know gmann has broadcasted it on the mailing list | 15:14 |
| belmoreira | are we going to have a live stream on the open infra live like last time? | 15:15 |
| yoctozepto | good question | 15:15 |
| yoctozepto | perhaps the Monday panel is best to be broadcast | 15:15 |
| belmoreira | we can try to have a community topic for that (in case we have it) | 15:15 |
| gmann | belmoreira: +1 | 15:16 |
| gmann | I think we can do that not sure PTL+ TC one is best as it is more of internal discussion? | 15:16 |
| gmann | but as belmoreira said any community topic is good to stream live | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | indeed | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | that could be community-enough | 15:17 |
| yoctozepto | but needs more details | 15:17 |
| spotz_ | Great idea | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | Seemed to work well last time. | 15:17 |
| yoctozepto | yup | 15:17 |
| gmann | let's have more topic in etherpad and then we can select one | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | so an action point on belmoreira to propose this on the mailing list? | 15:18 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | belmoreira: I hope you agree to drive the selection | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | The Open Infra Live episodes are always Thursdays | 15:19 |
| gmann | also added in etherpad in case we forget | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | So we probably won't be doing that again. | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | I'm not sure if they have the schedule for the episodes out that far yet. | 15:19 |
| yoctozepto | #action belmoreira to ask the community about live streaming of a part of TC PTG | 15:19 |
| spotz_ | I can reach out to Erin if you want | 15:19 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: we have thursday 14 UTC slot which can match with that | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | I was literally just talking to her about it. | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | We can do our own stream to YouTube probably | 15:20 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: spotz_ +1. if we can book slot and then later we can select topic | 15:20 |
| yoctozepto | ok, so we need to place our discussion in that timeslot basically | 15:20 |
| yoctozepto | gmann: ++ for etherpad note | 15:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | But it might just not be for the OIL episode. | 15:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | If they already have content planned. | 15:20 |
| belmoreira | I asked because last time my feeling was that it was very well received | 15:20 |
| yoctozepto | diablo_rojo_phone: all planned till October? ;-) | 15:20 |
| gmann | if no slot available i think youtube streaming is also fine | 15:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | The ptg week definitely just got mentioned on the call I was on to recap today's episode. | 15:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | But I can see if it is. | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | thanks diablo_rojo_phone | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 15:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | yoctozepto: yeah it was slow going to get the backlog made but it's been pretty full since then. | 15:21 |
| belmoreira | yoctozepto I can check the details with Erin and diablo_rojo_phone and if OK I will ask for suggestions in the mailing list | 15:22 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Sounds good. | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | belmoreira: great | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | I will undo the single action | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | and modify agenda instread | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | #undo | 15:22 |
| opendevmeet | Removing item from minutes: #action belmoreira to ask the community about live streaming of a part of TC PTG | 15:22 |
| yoctozepto | ok | 15:23 |
| yoctozepto | anything else on PTG today? | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | well, PTG in October but thoughts today perhaps? | 15:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | gmann: you are emailing to k8s steering? | 15:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | About the ptg? | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | good question | 15:24 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo_phone: yeah, after meeting I can do. keeping you in cc also | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | #action gmann to write to k8s steering team and cc diablo_rojo_phone | 15:25 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:25 |
| yoctozepto | ok, any others? shall we move forward now? | 15:25 |
| gmann | nothing from me | 15:26 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Board informal Brainstorming sessions about "community health and resource management" (gmann) | 15:26 |
| yoctozepto | and the attached question is: "Who all are interested to participate?" | 15:26 |
| gmann | yeah, i pinged yesterday also about this. so this is Board informal discussion . | 15:26 |
| dansmith | I don't need to be there, but if there's an invite/calendar entry, I'd lurk if I have time and am available | 15:27 |
| gmann | this topic is related to our help needed for ELK services and even little bit broader | 15:27 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | I can join | 15:28 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Depending on timing. | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | what is the schedule? | 15:28 |
| spotz_ | I should be there unless that’s the one on 8/3 | 15:28 |
| gmann | if you like to check your availability before schedule then let me know | 15:28 |
| jungleboyj | I would like to join. | 15:28 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/governance master: Retire js-openstack-lib https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/798540 | 15:28 |
| gmann | otherwise yes anyone can join once schedule | 15:28 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | I'm in the UK till the 20th of Aug | 15:28 |
| gmann | spotz_: not on 8/3 but later sometime | 15:28 |
| spotz_ | I should be there then | 15:28 |
| gmann | thanks | 15:29 |
| belmoreira | let us know when schedule. I'm also interested | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | ok, so we agree we need a concrete schedule | 15:29 |
| gmann | that is all on this. I will send the interested members list to Allison for scheduling the slot | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | ok, so I will keep this in the agenda | 15:29 |
| gmann | yeah, I will update the schedule once done | 15:30 |
| gmann | +1 | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | thanks | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | moving on | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Open Reviews | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:30 |
| clarkb | I wanted to call out https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/802833 | 15:31 |
| clarkb | the opendev team is planning to do this rename tomorrow at 15:00 UTC | 15:31 |
| gmann | yeah, anyone have any objection please add comment in review or ping here | 15:31 |
| clarkb | slaweq has acked the change on the depends-on | 15:31 |
| yoctozepto | ++ | 15:31 |
| clarkb | yup exactly. If you think this shouldn't be done for some reason we would really appreciate people speaking up now. We can always reschedule if there is big concern or objections. However, it seems that there aren't major issuse as much as a lapse in records keeping that wasn't caught until recently | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | I approved two nit changes w/ setup.cfg | 15:32 |
| gmann | clarkb: if no objection by an hr or so, I think then it will be ok to go ahead for renaming but I will merge it once slaweq can +1 on governance patch just to complete the process | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | clarkb: could you describe the lapse concern? | 15:32 |
| clarkb | yoctozepto: basically there should've been a governance change going along with the project-config change and rename request from the start so that we could get the ACKs well in advance | 15:33 |
| clarkb | historically ajaeger had done a lot of work to keep that happening properly. | 15:33 |
| yoctozepto | clarkb: ack, understood | 15:34 |
| clarkb | Without ajaeger I think it simply got missed until we started doing the in depth prep work for the rename | 15:34 |
| yoctozepto | thanks for explaining | 15:34 |
| gmann | I could have checked that but missed that change in project config side. | 15:34 |
| gmann | but I think we are good as governance patch is up and no objection (say here or in gerrit by an hr). | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | tc-members: please focus on reviewing https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/799927 | 15:35 |
| gmann | yeah, this need more votes to merge as this is formal-vote | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | and the others are either merging or blocked by deps | 15:36 |
| dansmith | I didn't +1 that because of the question around stream | 15:36 |
| dansmith | and I don't know anything about the non-python runtimes | 15:36 |
| gmann | yeah, especially need review on these two 802833 and 799927 | 15:36 |
| dansmith | but I can rubber-stamp it :) | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | dansmith: thanks | 15:37 |
| gmann | thanks, nodejs node is moved to 14 which is latest and supported | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | latest is 16 | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | but 14 is supported | 15:37 |
| gmann | ohk | 15:37 |
| * dansmith blows the smoke from his stamp | 15:37 | |
| gmann | usually horizon people jump in for nodejs bump | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | indeed, I did not want to force an update on them | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | ok | 15:38 |
| yoctozepto | if nothing else, we can wrap up | 15:38 |
| yoctozepto | waiting a minute and ending the meeting if no things to discuss | 15:38 |
| clarkb | just one last thing on that rename change. If someone does -1 it can you reach out to fungi and myself and probably gmann and yoctozepto ? | 15:39 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: setup.cfg: Replace dashes with underscores https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-sigs/+/791361 | 15:39 |
| clarkb | just so that we can understand the concern and decide if we are postponing | 15:39 |
| gmann | clarkb: +1 | 15:39 |
| yoctozepto | clarkb: +1 | 15:39 |
| yoctozepto | I can watch for 2 more hours, but I'm guessing there will be no objections ;-) | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | anyhow, wrapping up | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | thanks everyone for joining today | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | and see you next time | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Jul 29 15:40:49 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-07-29-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-07-29-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-07-29-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 15:41 |
| gmann | yoctozepto: thanks for chairing | 15:41 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance-website master: setup.cfg: Replace dashes with underscores https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance-website/+/791363 | 15:41 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Thank you! | 15:41 |
| fungi | not important to cover in the meeting, but just so folks are aware, opendev would like to stop managing debian-stretch node images/labels/mirrors (and the misnamed debian-stable nodeset which uses them): http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-July/023760.html | 15:41 |
| fungi | if you work on or know a project which uses these, please bring it up | 15:42 |
| spotz | gmann I lied I don't have _2 on those repos for the OFTC changes:( | 15:42 |
| fungi | so far there have been no replies on the ml | 15:42 |
| gmann | spotz: np. | 15:42 |
| gmann | fungi: thanks, ack. I am not aware of any project using that but if anyone ping, surly update you | 15:43 |
| fungi | openstack-ansible is the main one which comes to mind for me | 15:44 |
| gmann | k | 15:44 |
| fungi | if projects could move their debian jobs onto debian-buster or debian-bullseye labels, or drop the jobs if they're stretch-specific, that would be a huge help | 15:44 |
| *** rpittau is now known as rpittau|afk | 16:03 | |
| jrosser | it's not so staightforward for a deployment project to just move to the next OS release | 16:15 |
| fungi | jrosser: yep, i get that. are you still supporting debian stretch, and are users still relying on it (given it's well past eol)? | 16:22 |
| jrosser | given how old a release we're talking about i'd probably say we drop the jobs | 16:23 |
| fungi | but yeah, that's why i suggested to either move the jobs to newer releases or drop them | 16:26 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.2 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!