Thursday, 2020-07-09

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openstackgerritHervĂ© Beraud proposed openstack/election master: update hacking version  https://review.opendev.org/74018108:11
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ttxevrardjp: fungi: gmann: could one of you review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/736213/ so that I don't self-approve it?09:04
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evrardjpsure09:24
evrardjpttx: I just commented, one nit, but one bigger question, to make sure the wording is clear. If you say it's fine, I merge it, I am happy with the current rest of the wording, and it's a good change already.09:37
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ttxevrardjp: commented back... TL;DR: I think we can merge as-is09:45
evrardjpsorry I missed your comment back, thanks for the ping : )09:45
evrardjplet's merge.09:46
ttxthanks!09:46
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/project-team-guide master: Update release management page  https://review.opendev.org/73621309:53
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mnaserfor those who are here - https://doodle.com/poll/q27t8pucq7b8xbme -- hint hint :)15:00
jungleboyjo/15:00
* jungleboyj did my homework. ;-)15:01
mnaserweee15:01
mnaseri got a response from the k8s steering committee15:01
mnaserthough i suspect if i post the link here it won't be visible again15:02
mnaserhttps://groups.google.com/a/kubernetes.io/d/msgid/steering/CAEs876gfTFCxbRS8jt4zyZBZJJLU95jA0eB7BsBnVZoVwAF0UQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer -- does this work?15:03
gmannyeah15:03
jungleboyjYep.15:03
njohnstonworks for me15:04
njohnstongotta love dims15:04
mnaserso given the reply was yesterday, ill wait for a little longer if we get a response, if not maybe try and chat on the sig-arch15:05
mnaseri also think setting up time to meet together could be productive, just to understand better each others governance, etc15:05
jungleboyj++15:06
gmannthat is awesome idea and starting these type of cross community discussions  are always win for everyone/15:06
mnaserif we do setup a discussion, is there anything we feel like might be a productive discussion to have?15:07
fungiyeah, that link works anonymously for me, you can also drop everything after the ? in the url15:10
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mnaserthoughts? :>15:23
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fungithe most interesting topic to me (reducing cross-community animosity) is probably a touchy subject and maybe not a good one for a first meeting15:27
jungleboyjWell, I  think starting by getting their input on whether we have the right components in the list makes sense.15:27
jungleboyjAlso, anything as far as cross community documentation that can be leveraged would also be good.15:28
mnaserjungleboyj: those are good for the sig-arch thing15:28
knikollayay dims :D15:28
mnaserfungi: that's a good point but yeah, probably not a day #1 :p15:28
jungleboyjfungi:  ++15:28
jungleboyjOpenStack comes in Guns Blazing.15:29
knikollaagree ++15:29
gmannor that goes better as we keep more and more disucssions/talk.15:29
fungimuch like the openstack tc, the kubernetes steering committee apparently doesn't make technical decisions for the project15:29
mnaseri wonder if there's benefit in understanding each others governance models15:29
jungleboyjmnaser:  ++15:30
jungleboyjI know that other parts of the community have been studying what they are doing and learning from it.15:30
knikolla++15:30
knikollaunderstanding the governance models and knowing which groups to engage with for what. also keeping a communication channel up so we can understand the challenges they are facing and we are facing.15:31
knikollawe are not so different.15:31
mnaseryeah, i mean, i'm sure we can learn things, and we've had a bunch of experience too15:33
mnaseri do think we might need to come up with an agenda to get people to spend some of their time15:33
gmann+1,  how they interact/connect with sig/team/contributors etc can be good to learn.15:34
smcginnisttx had set up a few cross-community meetings at past Kubecon and Dockercon events. They went really well.15:35
smcginnisMost folks were very great to talk with and very open.15:35
smcginnisI think getting more like that going is a good thing.15:35
gmannalso knowing their meeting model and how good/less good it is for them can be another things which are in process of improving.15:36
jungleboyjYeah.  That would be good.15:36
mnaserdoes anyone want to start drafting up an etherpad where we can put in some of those subjects that make sense?15:39
jungleboyjI could do that.15:39
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mnaserplease jungleboyj :) i think we have two 'agendas' -- one with sig-arch, and another with the steering committee15:40
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gmann+1 on keeping both separate15:40
jungleboyjOk.  Sig-Arch would be the more technical and the Steering the Community side?15:41
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mnaserjungleboyj: i.. think so?  perhaps i would say 'governance' instead of 'community'15:42
jungleboyjOkie dokie .  I guess this is part of what we need to learn.  :-)15:43
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jungleboyjhttps://etherpad.opendev.org/p/kubernetes-cross-community-topics15:56
jungleboyjStarted.  I can leave that for a little while if you guys want to add and send a ML post later today.15:57
gmannjungleboyj: thanks15:58
jungleboyjNP.16:02
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knikollathat was fast, thanks jungleboyj :)16:08
ttxsmcginnis: yes it was hard to get them any kind of sanctioned space in the official events, but I did run those unofficially16:08
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fungialmost as if the event organizers didn't want them finding out the openstack community consists of actual people (and pleasant conversationalists)16:44
jungleboyj:-)16:44
jungleboyjWe are the trolls under the bridge.16:44
smcginnisThe first event or two it seemed like a lot of anti-OS comments made by certain people. Less so each event.16:45
jungleboyjThat is good.16:46
smcginnisI think CERN getting up in Copenhagen and showing how they were using thousands of cores for OpenStack and Kubernetes helped a few people realize it was a better together thing rather than an us versus them.16:46
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smcginnisAnd recent change in leadership potentially could make that even better.16:47
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jungleboyjThat is good.  What was the leadership change?16:54
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fungiformer executive director of the cncf has been reassigned to lf's public health initiative16:56
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diablo_rojomugsie, evrardjp cloudnull when you get a sec, can you fill out the new office hour poll: https://doodle.com/poll/q27t8pucq7b8xbme18:10
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cloudnullsure18:19
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diablo_rojocloudnull, thank you!18:26
mnaserjungleboyj: btw are you able to update to the mailing list with a link to that etherpad?  i guess let's have it with a [tc] tag to try and get the tc's attention18:26
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jungleboyjmnaser:  Yep, I was planning to do that yet today.  :-)18:39
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Update goal selection docs to clarify the goal count  https://review.opendev.org/73915018:51
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