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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Add evrardjp liaison preferences https://review.opendev.org/735499 | 05:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/governance master: Add ricolin liaison preference https://review.opendev.org/735506 | 06:31 |
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| ttx | AJaeger: would love to help but apparently can only vote +1 | 08:13 |
| AJaeger | thanks, ttx. | 08:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance-sigs master: Switch to newer openstackdocstheme version https://review.opendev.org/733314 | 09:17 |
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| gmann | mugsie: njohnston (cc tc-members): As we have completed the V cycle goal. I have moved the remaining goals ideas from V cycle etherpad (https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/YVR-v-series-goals) to backlogs etherpad (https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/community-goals) so that those can be re-reviewed for next cycle goals. | 18:06 |
| jungleboyj | gmann: ++ Thank you. | 18:07 |
| gmann | also we its time to start the goal for W cycle as per goal schedule: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/#goal-selection-schedule | 18:07 |
| fungi | speaking of completing things, has anyone given thought to volunteering as a presenter for the quarterly project update on the next osf "community meeting" conference call in a couple weeks? | 18:08 |
| gmann | as discussed in PTG, i will be taking break of goal selection things, its all yours now mugsie njohnston . | 18:08 |
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| gmann | fungi: june 25 and 26th right? | 18:11 |
| mugsie | gmann: thanks - and great job driving these so far | 18:11 |
| fungi | gmann: yep! | 18:11 |
| fungi | though for the second one we usually rely heavily on community members fluent in mandarin | 18:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Raise your hand if you're fluent in Mandarin? | 18:13 |
| gmann | i saw that in jbryce email but is there separate ML thread for those? i think most of us not aware of those, especially on preparing the material? | 18:13 |
| gmann | tc-members: as this is m-1 week, we need to complete the Tricircle retirement before that. To do so, this governance patch is dependency, please vote - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/734648/ | 18:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | gmann, I think the idea is to have something similar to last time: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1l05skj_BCfF8fgYWu4n0b1rQmbNhHp8sMeYcb-v-rdA/edit#slide=id.g82b6d187d5_0_516 | 18:34 |
| diablo_rojo | (apologies for it being in google) | 18:34 |
| fungi | but something could totally be drafted for it in an etherpad | 18:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah definitely. | 18:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I imagine aprice can handle getting it into a slide if you can provide an etherpad of some points to cover. | 18:35 |
| aprice | that is very true | 18:36 |
| gmann | +1 for etherpad. that is easy. | 18:37 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, does this mean you will volunteer for one of the meetings next week? | 18:40 |
| diablo_rojo | I can try to help gather things into an etherpad if you are willing to present. | 18:40 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: i am ok to present, waiting for mnaser if he is planning. | 18:41 |
| gmann | i have created etherpad to collect the content - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-updates-community-meeting | 18:42 |
| mnaser | i think i've taken my turn for the release one. i'll volunteer if no one else picks it up but i encourage someone to pick it up | 18:43 |
| gmann | mnaser: ok, I can present in first one. | 18:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Update joining-tc.rst to be general tc-guide.rst https://review.opendev.org/732983 | 18:45 |
| fungi | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-June/015458.html is a great example of why project repositories should be properly retired (even if retroactive). this user has stumbled across something the ironic team stopped maintaining and removed from openstack in 2016 but it's still sitting there in git with no indication it's abandonware | 18:45 |
| AJaeger | fungi: note that we do *not* remove docs from docs.o.o - that is the first link in the article | 18:46 |
| gmann | fungi: AJaeger humm, i think we should update doc also, saying it is RETIRED from this date/cycle | 18:47 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yep, but when the user went to check the repository (which they apparently did), they would hopefully have seen the notice. but you make a great point, we should probably be doing something to make that obvious for docs as well | 18:47 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, I will throw some things in there later today/tomorrow. | 18:47 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: thanks. | 18:47 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, do we want to say everything will be in by like.. Wed or Thursday so aprice can get the slide together Thur/Friday? | 18:48 |
| diablo_rojo | set a deadline | 18:48 |
| AJaeger | And here's a complete list of such repos that are retired but still in openstack namespace: dragonflow networking-l2gw networking-l2gw-tempest-plugin networking-onos openstack-ux python-dracclient solum-infra-guestagent transparency-policy | 18:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Update joining-tc.rst to be general tc-guide.rst https://review.opendev.org/732983 | 18:48 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: aprice btw what is time duration for openstack if any? | 18:48 |
| AJaeger | fungi: Sure, we should do something for the git repo! | 18:48 |
| AJaeger | fungi: But adding retired to docs? I would either remove the docs or leave as is. Everything else is too involved IMHO - not practical. Retiring is too complex already ;( | 18:49 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: by Tursday 18th ok for me. | 18:49 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yep, i'll admit i don't know how we'd easily do anything in between | 18:50 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, sounds good! | 18:50 |
| aprice | gmann: 3-5 minutes | 18:51 |
| gmann | aprice: ack. thanks | 18:51 |
| mnaser | gmann: please let me know if you need any help preparing :) | 18:52 |
| gmann | mnaser: sure. thanks | 18:52 |
| aprice | and ideally the slide would be the same for both meetings, so if we get someone to present at the other (or if you would like to gmann) then it can be doubled for that | 18:53 |
| gmann | AJaeger: fungi : doc are present with releases so removing ../latest/ as part of retirement make sense. | 18:53 |
| AJaeger | gmann: we remove the docs from the index page - but removing /latest is a good idea as well. | 18:54 |
| gmann | aprice: ok, so second one is towards asia TZ right? | 18:54 |
| fungi | oh, perhaps that's more automatable, though i'd need to look at the current redirects to see how that works in practice | 18:54 |
| aprice | gmann: correct - it's at 0200 UTC | 18:54 |
| AJaeger | fungi: we can just delete /python-dracclient/latest/ for example | 18:55 |
| gmann | aprice: ok, let's wait for rico as he is in that TZ or someone else want to present. | 18:55 |
| aprice | gmann: sounds good! | 18:55 |
| AJaeger | fungi: want a list of directories to delete? | 18:55 |
| aprice | thank you for helping, gmann! | 18:56 |
| gmann | AJaeger: +1 | 18:56 |
| gmann | aprice: np! | 18:56 |
| gmann | AJaeger: let's do for congress first as that is recent retired one in case users are not aware and checking doc... | 18:56 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: anyone fancy throwing a vote on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735506/ so we can merge it? | 19:04 |
| mugsie | mnaser: done | 19:04 |
| mnaser | mugsie: ty! :) | 19:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Done. | 19:05 |
| mugsie | mnaser: want me to run the random assignment script after that merges? | 19:05 |
| mnaser | mugsie: hm, i think we've probably given enough grace time by now. let's go for it, we can shuffle later if-need-be | 19:07 |
| mugsie | yeah, thats what i was thinking | 19:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: tools: fix check_review_status for new project-update https://review.opendev.org/735660 | 19:10 |
| mnaser | ^ tc-members: appreciate eyes on that one, just something to reflect the reality o things | 19:11 |
| mnaser | EmilienM: governance bits are ok for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733912/10 but seems like the change to retire the project is pending removal of test-openstack-release job, whenever you (or someone :) can get to it please! | 19:12 |
| AJaeger | fungi: nice: https://static.opendev.org/docs/os-cloud-config/latest/ | 19:14 |
| mnaser | gmann, ttx, smcginnis: is there logistical things which may help release/qa/etc life easier if we expedited https://review.opendev.org/#/c/734648/4 ? | 19:15 |
| mnaser | we have enough votes right now but we're pending the '7 day timeout'. i'd like to propose we merge it now to get moving and help gmann in finishing up tricircle | 19:15 |
| mnaser | aka is it worth getting a 2-3 day headstart | 19:16 |
| AJaeger | fungi, gmann, here's what could be removed if we delete /latest from retired repos - I went over all repos in legacy.yaml: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/urpGIncRoCLJxJp1Icny | 19:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add evrardjp liaison preferences https://review.opendev.org/735499 | 19:19 |
| gmann | mnaser: for qa we are ok but for release either we take exception for tricirlce deliverable not to be released for m-1 as it is going to be retire otherwise merge the governance patch 734648. | 19:19 |
| mugsie | if we just merge the governance patch, we can exclude it from the release, and deal with the repos after, right> | 19:21 |
| mugsie | ?* | 19:21 |
| gmann | AJaeger: fungi: thanks. If i am right, only opendev team can remove those doc right or doc SIG members also? and how about updating the project-guide doc for this doc removal step first and then cleanup? | 19:21 |
| AJaeger | gmann: only an admin can. | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add ricolin liaison preference https://review.opendev.org/735506 | 19:23 |
| gmann | mugsie: for release things, we need this to merge - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731566/ which again depends on 734648. | 19:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Retire swift-specs https://review.opendev.org/733901 | 19:23 |
| fungi | AJaeger: gmann: it's worth keeping in mind that those files are in afs, so we could create kerberos acls allowing specific docs curators to have write access to the file tree | 19:23 |
| fungi | for the openstack docs volume | 19:24 |
| mugsie | gmann: we swapped the dependancies - Needed-By: https://review.opendev.org/728902 | 19:24 |
| smcginnis | We can skip the tricircle release, but if we can get the docs updated to clean things up, that would be nice. | 19:24 |
| gmann | mugsie: i mean as parent patch inn governance repo | 19:24 |
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| mugsie | so we can merge the governance patch (if it is mergable / has quorum) | 19:24 |
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| mugsie | oh, lets not do that - the process can wait for the actual removal, for the indication of "we are removing it" we just need TC quorum | 19:25 |
| gmann | fungi: +1, or giving access to tc member doing retire work ? same way tc need access for merging the repo code removal/open review closees etc. | 19:25 |
| fungi | gmann: we'd want to work out a clear process for that if we go that way, since kerberos commands are a bit arcane for many users these days | 19:27 |
| fungi | and you'd also need to get the openafs client working on your system | 19:27 |
| gmann | mnaser: ttx updated the topic for this from 'formal-vote' to 'charter-change'. in case we miss the charter change required votes - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735361/1 | 19:28 |
| gmann | fungi: i see. i think its better to keep that on 'project rename' work? | 19:30 |
| fungi | gmann: AJaeger: what do you think about redirecting /latest to some common page for retired projects instead? | 19:31 |
| mnaser | mugsie: i think the flow is (merge change to allow removing all content) => (remove all content) => (remove tricircle project) | 19:32 |
| gmann | fungi: like to README ? | 19:32 |
| fungi | i suppose that could work | 19:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Assign TC Liasons for the Victoria Cycle https://review.opendev.org/735667 | 19:32 |
| mnaser | we have consensus on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/734648/ -- maybe we can land that so to maybe give gmann core on tricircle so they could merge the removal patches | 19:32 |
| gmann | ok, that is good idea and people can get history also (if they do or want) no removal things. | 19:32 |
| fungi | yeah, something like that... /python-dracclient/latest(|/.*) -> https://opendev.org/openstack/python-dracclient/.../README.rst or whatever | 19:33 |
| fungi | that would be doable in the docs site redirects list in git without having to manually fiddle with content in afs | 19:34 |
| gmann | mnaser: but we have not merges this yet to clear out the 3/7 days buffer thing - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735361/ | 19:34 |
| mnaser | gmann: i seriously can't find the note but as chair, we can fast track a change | 19:37 |
| mnaser | and as safety net: "As a safety net, if any member disagrees with any change that was fast-tracked under one of those house rules, that member can propose a revert of the change. Such revert should be directly approved by any TC member (who is not the proposer) and the change be discussed on the mailing list or on the re-proposed change in gerrit." | 19:37 |
| mnaser | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/house-rules.html#rolling-back-fast-tracked-changes | 19:37 |
| EmilienM | mnaser: thanks for the heads-up on paunch retirement, I'll take a look at thej obs | 19:41 |
| gmann | mnaser: ok. i agree now on landing 734648. | 19:42 |
| gmann | fungi: +1 | 19:42 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: redirect would work as well, and we can have that in openstack-manuals... | 20:21 |
| AJaeger | (as you said, sorry, should read first everything) | 20:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add more clarification on project retirement process https://review.opendev.org/734648 | 22:22 |
| mnaser | tc-members: i have fast-tracked the clarification on the project retirement, worked with infra to be added to core to merge the retirement patches that was added by gmann_afk -- so https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731566/4 is the only thing left :) | 22:29 |
| mnaser | also if anyone is around to review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735667/1 to land it | 22:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: tools: fix check_review_status for new project-update https://review.opendev.org/735660 | 22:43 |
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