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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/election master: Include Leaderless projects in the PTL series results https://review.opendev.org/718317 | 06:26 |
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| evrardjp | mnaser: do you intend to propose a community goal for migrating all the projects to building their containers, based on your PoC ? | 07:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/election master: Fix missing option on README https://review.opendev.org/718386 | 10:50 |
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| evrardjp | ttx: Pete was okay for a regrouping of LOCI/OSH at first sight. I will be proposing a regroupment of the projects, see how folks are happy in the community. | 11:08 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 12:23 |
| ttx | evrardjp: ++ | 12:30 |
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| gmann | o/ | 14:04 |
| mnaser | evrardjp: i think that's a good idea | 14:07 |
| mnaser | how ok are we with a project saying they are shipping features which don't work with uwsgi. | 14:10 |
| fungi | if memory serves, glance said that for the longest time | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | Glance was required because of a technical issue. I wouldn't think we would want any others not using our "standard" uwsgi deployment method unless there is a similar strong reason they can't. | 14:36 |
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| mnaser | because we have users who want to use the interop image import and we pretty much just cant do it without having to go back to running old eventlet ;\ | 15:04 |
| mnaser | and to me that feels like we have to take a few steps back to accomplish a 'feature' | 15:06 |
| cloudnull | mnaser +1 ^ | 15:32 |
| cloudnull | just as a note, TripelO does not deploy any services with uwsgi. | 15:34 |
| cloudnull | it wasn't available in Cent7 and we've not looked into it for Cent8 | 15:34 |
| fungi | out of curiosity, which project is adding a new feature which won't worth with uwsgi? | 15:34 |
| mnaser | fungi: since pike, the "interop image import" is listed as "non-functional when using uwsgi": | 16:13 |
| fungi | mnaser: oh, you were actually talking about glance? | 16:16 |
| mnaser | fungi: yeah, they have a big red warning on their deployment page too | 16:16 |
| fungi | i just raised glance as an example of a project which has historically claimed a feature wouldn't work with uwsgi | 16:16 |
| mnaser | https://docs.openstack.org/glance/latest/admin/apache-httpd.html | 16:16 |
| fungi | i figured you were referring to something new | 16:16 |
| fungi | yeah, i find it unfortunate that a feature glance added years ago turned out to be incompatible with the later goal for uwsgi deployment support, but the question is how to deal with that. remove glance? remove the feature? convince somebody it's worth their time to redesign and make it work? | 16:18 |
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| mnaser | IMHO: remove the feature or make ti work | 16:28 |
| fungi | right, who is going to make it work though? | 16:30 |
| fungi | or are you saying if there's nobody to make it work then we can at least find somebody to remove the feature? | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | Cuz who needs to import images. | 16:31 |
| clarkb | eh I think user functionality trumps ops needs in this case | 16:33 |
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| clarkb | it provides important functioanlity for end users. Ops can manage to run a service without uwsgi | 16:33 |
| clarkb | then work to close the ops gap, but removing an important end user feature because of deployment concerns seems to have priorities backwards | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | Very. Another case of users taking a hit for the sake of architectural purity. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | If someone wants to look at doing something about it, fixing the uwsgi bug is the right thing to do, not crippling the service. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | https://github.com/unbit/uwsgi/issues/1540 | 16:35 |
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| abhishekk | apart from this, I guess reloading configuration is also not supported | 16:38 |
| mnaser | _honestly_ though, who is actually using the "interop image import" feature | 16:40 |
| mnaser | and afaik, the issue stems from the fact that we need to start another service for glance to make that feature work | 16:40 |
| mnaser | because of taskflow-y things | 16:40 |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uwsgi-issues | 16:40 |
| mnaser | and uwsgi not being ok with running a process/thread that does things which are _not_ api/http | 16:41 |
| abhishekk | This is old one, but I am not sure most of the problems are addressed or not | 16:41 |
| mnaser | as an operator, it's taken me this long of running clouds to have someone finally today bring it up, most people are just uploading | 16:42 |
| mnaser | and also there is a all sorts of kinda-terrifying things you can do | 16:42 |
| mnaser | with something like a web-download import of an image | 16:42 |
| mnaser | web-download image src http://127.0.0.1:1234 | 16:43 |
| mnaser | (let's be honest, show of hands, who's _actually_ used that feature) | 16:45 |
| clarkb | mnaser: fwiw I think that particular featuer is why the existing direct upload wasn't extended when thinking of the future there | 16:45 |
| clarkb | basically people demand that | 16:45 |
| clarkb | I don't remembe who they were and we definitely don't use it | 16:46 |
| fungi | mnaser: also apparently you can specify multiple urls for the same image | 17:17 |
| fungi | and they're just assumed to be identical | 17:17 |
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| mordred | clarkb, fungi, mnaser: fwiw - one of the main users calling for web-download was heat | 21:05 |
| mordred | because piping an image through heat didn't seem like a good idea to people | 21:05 |
| clarkb | ah | 21:05 |
| mordred | that said - I mean, we certainly don't use that feature | 21:05 |
| mordred | I don't think anyone has added support to sdk for using it yet for similar reason to what mnaser was saying - nobody has requested it | 21:06 |
| fungi | is it covered by an interop guideline capability at all, i wonder? | 21:08 |
| mnaser | relatively certain that it is not | 21:08 |
| mordred | I do not believe we've gotten "ability to upload images into cloud" as a thing people agree users shoudl be able to do | 21:08 |
| mordred | much less any specific mechanism for doing so | 21:08 |
| fungi | oh, right, the reason being hpcloud has decided not to implement user-controlled images ;) | 21:09 |
| mordred | because - in a fit of *wut* - you can apparently put metadata into an image that can cause the images to do things some cloud providers aren't comfortable with | 21:09 |
| mordred | let's not address the fact that that concept is completely bonkers | 21:09 |
| mordred | fungi: amazingly enough, it's not hpcloud in this case. | 21:10 |
| mnaser | i'm seriously worried about the implication of web-download being enabled by default now | 21:10 |
| mordred | there is a reason it was removed from v1 | 21:12 |
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| fungi | mnaser: with your openstackansible ptl hat on, you may or may not care to try to work out a dco statement from the author of https://github.com/openstack/ansible-hardening/pull/9 so you can git am it into gerrit | 21:47 |
| fungi | just figured i'd bring the attempted contribution to your attention | 21:47 |
| mnaser | fungi: oh neat, thank you | 22:03 |
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| mnaser | also, another thing about glance: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1552583 | 22:56 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1552583 in openstack-tripleo-heat-templates "[Glance] Interoperable image import should be disabled by default on 3 node HA setup" [Urgent,Closed: errata] - Assigned to pdeore | 22:56 |
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| mnaser | that image import doesnt work other than in a single node. | 22:56 |
| fungi | mnaser: and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OSSN/OSSN-0065 looks like it's still applicable too (or at least bug 1549483 doesn't claim to be fixed yet) | 23:12 |
| openstack | bug 1549483 in Glance "Normal user can replace active image data if show_multiple_locations has been set to true" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1549483 | 23:12 |
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