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| openstackgerrit | Jiao Pengju proposed openstack/election master: Add JiaoPengju candidacy for Karbor https://review.opendev.org/715685 | 01:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Masayuki Igawa proposed openstack/election master: Add Masayuki Igawa candidacy for Quality_Assurance https://review.opendev.org/716120 | 01:51 |
| gmann | \o/ | 01:52 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 02:04 |
| masayukig | gmann: heh, I forgot to add tags to the subjects of the mail :p | 02:07 |
| gmann | masayukig: that's fine. glad to see your candidacy. | 02:09 |
| masayukig | gmann: thanks | 02:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Trinh Nguyen proposed openstack/election master: Add Trinh Nguyen for Searchlight Victoria cycle PTL https://review.opendev.org/716121 | 02:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | gecong proposed openstack/election master: Add Cong Ge for Freezer Victoria cycle PTL https://review.opendev.org/716124 | 03:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/election master: Adding Michael Johnson candidacy for Octavia. https://review.opendev.org/716126 | 04:08 |
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| evrardjp | good morning | 07:54 |
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| ttx | hi | 08:30 |
| ttx | 5 candidates for 5 seats so far... | 08:32 |
| ttx | ricolin: last hours to submit your candidacy, if you wanted to run again | 08:32 |
| ricolin | ttx, will send out after multi-arch SIG meeting:) | 08:34 |
| ricolin | so consider 6 candidates | 08:34 |
| ricolin | :) | 08:34 |
| ttx | nice! I think it's good to have a vote, even if all candidates are great. Gives more legitimacy to those elected | 08:35 |
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| ricolin | regarding election, who ever fix https://review.opendev.org/#/c/715685 thank you! | 08:55 |
| ricolin | *whoever | 08:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/election master: Add Rico Lin candidancy for Victoria Heat PTL https://review.opendev.org/716218 | 09:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Belmiro Moreira proposed openstack/election master: Add Belmiro Moreira candidacy for TC https://review.opendev.org/716239 | 11:04 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 11:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jiao Pengju proposed openstack/election master: Add JiaoPengju candidacy for Karbor https://review.opendev.org/715685 | 14:04 |
| ttx | ricolin: did you want to run for TC election or just Heat? | 14:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Jiao Pengju proposed openstack/election master: Add JiaoPengju candidacy for Karbor https://review.opendev.org/715685 | 14:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/election master: Adding Pierre Riteau's candidacy for Blazar PTL in Victoria https://review.opendev.org/716307 | 14:08 |
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| ricolin | ttx working TC letter now:) | 14:08 |
| ttx | ricolin: cool :) | 14:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Douglas Mendizábal proposed openstack/election master: Adding Douglas Mendizábal candidacy for Barbican https://review.opendev.org/716316 | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/election master: Add Rico Lin for Victoria TC election https://review.opendev.org/716320 | 14:50 |
| mnaser | Need appointment : 30 | 14:50 |
| mnaser | as of 15 minutes ago | 14:50 |
| ricolin | ttx, ^^^:) | 14:50 |
| mnaser | tc-members: should we start reaching out to current PTLs? | 14:50 |
| mnaser | i'm going to (hope) that this is largely impacted by covid-19 and people not actively thinking about elections | 14:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/election master: Adding Balazs Gibizer candidacy for Nova PTL https://review.opendev.org/716323 | 14:51 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: That might not be a bad idea. | 14:51 |
| mnaser | well, that makes it 29 | 14:51 |
| fungi | so the way the charter currently reads, the tc has to decide what to do with leaderless teams after conclusion of the elections... why not have the new tc take the opportunity to decide on possible charter changes which make ptls optional, as discussed prior to the elections? | 14:54 |
| jungleboyj | mnaser: Covid-19 has to be having an impact. | 14:54 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:54 |
| openstackgerrit | YumengBao proposed openstack/election master: Add Yumeng Bao candidacy for Cyborg PTL https://review.opendev.org/716330 | 14:54 |
| ricolin | mnaser, I think we have two new patch for adding PTL candidacy | 14:54 |
| mnaser | fungi: i agree with that, but at least having a signal from teh current ptl of "i dont want to run again" is useful | 14:54 |
| ricolin | three | 14:54 |
| ricolin | so 27? | 14:54 |
| fungi | mnaser: absolutely. i'm not against reaching out to folks to nudge them | 14:55 |
| fungi | but if they don't resurface until after the election and want to be ptl, the tc can still appoint them | 14:55 |
| fungi | doesn't seem like an emergency situation, at any rate | 14:55 |
| mnaser | fungi: also, if anything, it confirms that our "plan" to make ptls optional isn't an 'unfair' result as of the current situation | 14:55 |
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| mnaser | s/plan/idea/ | 14:56 |
| fungi | yep | 14:56 |
| fungi | i mean, there's still a couple weeks between close of nominations and close of polls before the tc needs to take any explicit action one way or another | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | Do we have the py3 runtimes identified for victoria yet? | 15:02 |
| mnaser | smcginnis: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/runtimes/victoria.html :) | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Excellent! Thanks! | 15:03 |
| mnaser | smcginnis: no problem, i'm hoping to add Debian into there... | 15:04 |
| mnaser | there's a lot of support from zigo in building packages, and OSA has support for deploying it too | 15:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Goutham Pacha Ravi candidacy for Manila PTL https://review.opendev.org/716107 | 15:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Matthew Thode candidacy for Requirements https://review.opendev.org/716333 | 15:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Balazs Gibizer candidacy for Nova PTL https://review.opendev.org/716323 | 15:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Yumeng Bao candidacy for Cyborg PTL https://review.opendev.org/716330 | 15:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Rico Lin for Victoria TC election https://review.opendev.org/716320 | 15:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Pierre Riteau's candidacy for Blazar PTL in Victoria https://review.opendev.org/716307 | 15:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Trinh Nguyen for Searchlight Victoria cycle PTL https://review.opendev.org/716121 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Belmiro Moreira candidacy for TC https://review.opendev.org/716239 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Rico Lin candidancy for Victoria Heat PTL https://review.opendev.org/716218 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Adding Michael Johnson candidacy for Octavia. https://review.opendev.org/716126 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Cong Ge for Freezer Victoria cycle PTL https://review.opendev.org/716124 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Masayuki Igawa candidacy for Quality_Assurance https://review.opendev.org/716120 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add JiaoPengju candidacy for Karbor https://review.opendev.org/715685 | 15:48 |
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| gmann | no PTL Nomination projects is 18 now (if i counted correctly.) | 15:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | James Page proposed openstack/election master: charms: Add James Page for PTL https://review.opendev.org/716351 | 15:58 |
| gmann | 17.. | 15:58 |
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| ianychoi | gmann, now 19 (Adjutant Barbican Cloudkitty Congress Designate I18n Infrastructure Loci Magnum Masakari OpenStack_Charms Oslo Packaging_Rpm Placement Rally Swift Tacker Tricircle Zaqar) but 18 thanks to ^ | 15:59 |
| gmann | ianychoi: barbican is there https://review.opendev.org/#/c/716316/ | 16:00 |
| timburke | yeah yeah, i'm getting to it for swift ;-) | 16:00 |
| gmann | \o/ | 16:00 |
| ianychoi | aha yep - hope that membership is validated soon | 16:00 |
| gmann | ianychoi: charm just proposed. | 16:01 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 16:01 |
| gmann | I think congress will be PTL-less as eric already communicated to me and my employer also does not plan to add new resource for congress ( as congress developer moved to new company) | 16:02 |
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| ricolin | asking flwang about Magnum part, but I assume he can only reply near the deadline | 16:15 |
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| gmann | 15 now.. | 17:10 |
| njohnston | loving how lively the TC election is looking to be :-) | 17:15 |
| gmann | indeed | 17:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/election master: Adding Tim Burke candidacy for Swift https://review.opendev.org/716379 | 18:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Feilong Wang proposed openstack/election master: Add Feilong Wang candidancy for Magnum PTL https://review.opendev.org/716402 | 19:19 |
| mnaser | hmm | 19:23 |
| mnaser | with gnocchi being unmaintained | 19:23 |
| mnaser | is using ceilometer even possible at this point? | 19:23 |
| fungi | gnocchi is presumably still usable at the moment | 19:24 |
| fungi | as long as there aren't any show-stopping bugs in it nobody's fixing | 19:24 |
| mnaser | fungi: it seems that the domain was expired at some point and it's pointing somewhere else now, and the ci is currently broken for it | 19:25 |
| fungi | neat | 19:26 |
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| fungi | i thought the source code was still on github, whether the broken ci is a problem probably depends on what the issue with the ci is | 19:27 |
| mordred | I believe the people who took it elsewhere have then themselves since moved on to new projects | 19:29 |
| fungi | just to put things in perspective though, i expect if you were to audit the 600+ transitive in our constraints file, a significant percentage of them probably count as "unmaintained" | 19:29 |
| mnaser | see discussion on https://github.com/gnocchixyz/gnocchi/issues/1049 | 19:29 |
| mnaser | right, but i'd argue that ceilometer might be pretty useless without it | 19:29 |
| fungi | is openstack useless with all the other unmaintained dependencies you aren't aware are unmaintained? | 19:30 |
| fungi | gnocchi is likely one of many | 19:30 |
| fungi | it just happens to have been brought to our attention | 19:30 |
| mnaser | if $some_lib wasn't maintained, no. but if libvirt wasn't maintained, that's a little bit more problematic | 19:30 |
| mordred | sigh | 19:30 |
| mnaser | i see gnocchi similar to libvirt | 19:30 |
| mnaser | i'm trying to solve the "metering and billing" problem by leveraging as much existing tooling right now because that's what has ended up on my plate | 19:31 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: https://www.stackhpc.com/tag/cloudkitty.html - "no gnocchi" solution | 19:35 |
| mnaser | yoctozepto: that's interesting though i was _really_ hoping to avoid a notification/rabbit based solution | 19:39 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: sure, but not much one can do without any gnocchi caretakers now | 19:40 |
| mnaser | yoctozepto: valid | 19:40 |
| fungi | don't want to fall down the rabbitmq hole? ;) | 19:40 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: I long for the days where rmq is no longer required/recommended | 19:41 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: all this 'erlang reliability in telco' does not really hold itself | 19:41 |
| clarkb | wasn't there discussion of readopting gnocchi on the mailing list thread about this a while back? | 19:41 |
| yoctozepto | clarkb: there was | 19:41 |
| yoctozepto | but died with natural death | 19:42 |
| mnaser | fungi: absolutely don't want to touch rabbitmq :( | 19:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/election master: Adding Tim Burke candidacy for Swift https://review.opendev.org/716379 | 19:45 |
| fungi | i think the real question is whether the ceilo maintainers are going to support continued use of ceilometer, given that the mongodb backend isn't a suitable official alternative for legal reasons | 19:45 |
| fungi | or is there another solution it supports? | 19:46 |
| fungi | er, continued use of gnocchi i meant | 19:46 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: does 'legal' apply at this level of dependency? | 19:46 |
| yoctozepto | it's bad for many other reasons though | 19:46 |
| fungi | yoctozepto: i think if you can't use ceilometer without running a non-open-source database service it's not something the tc would consider openstack | 19:49 |
| yoctozepto | fungi: fair point; well, it also seems possible to use ceilo with monasca as in the link I posted | 19:50 |
| fungi | we already had that discussion years ago when a project was proposed to create a service which was a front-end to managing akamai and cloudfront | 19:50 |
| mnaser | i'm pretty sure at this point that was abandoned | 19:52 |
| mnaser | because looking at the git history of ceilometer | 19:52 |
| mnaser | there's no mentions | 19:52 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: of what? | 19:52 |
| mnaser | yoctozepto: of the whole "bring back mongo" in ceilometer | 19:53 |
| yoctozepto | mnaser: ah, this | 19:53 |
| yoctozepto | well, if you look at ceilo closely, then there is not much happening at all https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:master | 19:54 |
| * yoctozepto waving good night | 19:56 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Radosław Piliszek candidacy for TC election https://review.opendev.org/716363 | 20:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Candidacy for Designate Victoria cycle (nicolasbock) https://review.opendev.org/716371 | 20:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Add Feilong Wang candidancy for Magnum PTL https://review.opendev.org/716402 | 20:13 |
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