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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: doc nit: remove unnecessary space https://review.opendev.org/702879 | 08:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Adopt js-openstack-lib into openstacksdk team https://review.opendev.org/701854 | 08:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stamatis Katsaounis proposed openstack/governance master: Add watcher dashboard charm repository https://review.opendev.org/703080 | 13:37 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:45 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:02 |
| ttx | FYI re: TC/UC merge, the UC met yesterday and voted in favor of merging. One concern they raised is how to maximize the chances that operators would get elected to the unified body. We might need to rebrand it (rather than calling it "the TC") to make it clearer that it's a new thing to which ops are very much welcome members. | 14:48 |
| ttx | I'll follow-up by posting a public thread on the topic next week | 14:48 |
| ttx | The two big challenges IMHO being merging the AUC and ATC criteria, and necessary bylaws changes. | 14:50 |
| ttx | so it's probably a long journey | 14:50 |
| jungleboyj | ttx: Thanks for following up. Sounds like a good plan though. Glad there is support for it. | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | I expected that we could say a few words at the next meeting | 15:26 |
| njohnston | ttx: I have been considering the question of operator representation. Do you think it would be a workable scheme to have dedicated seats for the operator community? | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | ttx: maybe the criteria don't have to merged, but just added? Not really sure if it's really a problem | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | the bylaws on the other hand, it's a completely different topic... But I expect this isn't really a TC thing, it's more an openstack board thing, on which the tc brings support, correct? | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | Of course at some point it would mean a dissolution of both tc and uc groups, and moving under a different thing | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | njohnston: I am not really in favor of "dedicated", as anyone could vote | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | by making dedicated, you know have to split the audience again | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | now* | 15:28 |
| ttx | yeah, dedicated seats would pursue the gap | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | if there was a "dedicated" section, where would I fit? I personally think I come from an operations background, and I am pretty sure I am not the only one on this TC with the same feeling :) | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | does that mean I am not a "dev" ? :p | 15:31 |
| ttx | We should ideally rebrand (from TC to steering committee) and make it clear that members with ops background are welcome | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | steering, leadership, whatever , but something very inclusive | 15:32 |
| ttx | yeah | 15:32 |
| ttx | But yes, the question of name recognition is definitely an issue | 15:33 |
| gmann | dedicated seats means kind of current situation except single name for the team. | 15:33 |
| ttx | We'd have to double down on campaigning | 15:33 |
| ttx | gmann: exactly | 15:33 |
| ttx | it would even be worse since you would have to put a number on the influence of each | 15:34 |
| fungi | i second the concern over dedicated seats. i worry it will deepen the divide in other ways since a candidate would have to "choose" whether they're a developer or an operator | 15:34 |
| ttx | or run for both categories :) | 15:35 |
| fungi | and then how do you decide which one they are when they win seats in both categories? | 15:35 |
| ttx | My hope is that at this point voters would see the benefit of members with an operations background | 15:35 |
| ttx | making this a non-problem | 15:35 |
| fungi | yeah, the dedicated seats proposal also runs counter to the message we've been trying to drive in the community that most of our developers are operators and most of our operators are developers and we should focus more on the overlap there than on who is one-but-not-the-other | 15:36 |
| gmann | *from TC to steering committee* is good idea to discuss. obviously it will need changes like by-law to TC mission etc but worth to do. I am concern with merging into TC (as name) and with UC's current missions + TC current missions. few of the UC missions/tasks should be move to some place . | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | as said, I think it's more a foundation/board thing to evaluate how hard would it be to adapt the bylaws. Though I think the TC should be involved and in sync to know what's possible/what's going on. | 15:44 |
| evrardjp | I guess it's not really a surprise there :p | 15:44 |
| fungi | the last bylaws update definitely made it easier for us to get the tc member policy (appendix #4) updated, but renaming the tc and changing the size of the uc would both touch parts of the bylaws which still require a vote of 10% of the active foundation membership | 15:46 |
| fungi | so, yes, this would be a lengthy process involving back-and-forth between osf legal counsel and lawyers for all the platinum and gold members and then after the board, platinum and gold members agree, scheduling an individual member vote at a time when we're likely to get sufficient turnout (so likely on the same ballot as the board member election) | 15:48 |
| fungi | if we scramble, then it might happen as soon as january 2021 | 15:49 |
| * gmann kill the py2 from everywhere is the easy life otherwise it is getting harder and harder :( .... | 16:04 | |
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| jroll | just put something in the base job where it dies immediately if py2 is installed :) | 16:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/governance master: Split OpenDev out of OpenStack Infra https://review.opendev.org/703134 | 17:35 |
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