Tuesday, 2019-11-26

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openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Add goal for project specific PTL and contributor guides  https://review.opendev.org/69173701:13
openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Add goal for project specific PTL and contributor guides  https://review.opendev.org/69173701:18
openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Add goal for project specific PTL and contributor guides  https://review.opendev.org/69173701:31
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ttxReminder that most FOSDEM devrooms have their CFP deadline this week, if you want to go and see evrardjp in his natural environment09:05
ttxI submitted three talks, so hopefully I should be there :)09:05
evrardjp:)09:06
evrardjpthat's good news!09:06
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mugsieoh, I should do that10:51
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Provide short description for cryptic team names  https://review.opendev.org/69517410:53
mugsiettx: have you put something into the Community DevRoom?10:57
ttxno.10:58
ttxI'm in Containers, Continuous Integration and Main tracks10:58
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mugsiefeels like something we should do ... evrardjp - up for a talk for https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002893.html ?11:56
mugsiealso - is supporting https://savedotorg.org/ something we should (or can look at) supporting as a community?12:17
mugsieor should I be chucking this on the Board meeting on the 10th?12:17
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Provide short description for cryptic team names  https://review.opendev.org/69517412:57
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evrardjpmugsie: wow13:42
evrardjpI didn't know this13:42
evrardjpmugsie: you should indeed13:42
evrardjpmugsie: for the community devroom it's a good idea. Though I am not too fond of being presenter there alone, I think I should probably attend those sessions.13:45
evrardjpIf there is someone that want to do this, I would happily tag along13:46
evrardjpanyway, I strongly encourage people to be presenter there :)13:48
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mugsiethinking back, I think I saw diablo_rojo_phon talking about doing one on twitter - we should make sure we don't overlap :)14:26
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cloudnullo/14:50
evrardjpmugsie: I pinged her already, let's see what she intends to do14:52
evrardjpCan anyone tell zaneb that his bouncer seem dead?15:01
evrardjpirc bouncer I mean15:01
* mugsie was wondering if evrardjp was talking about me, rico or bnemec15:03
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evrardjphave you merged?15:05
evrardjpor is my brain farting. Cause I had to contact all of you for different reasons, if you merge into one person, I could just dump my ideas and question into a single thread, and see what happens15:06
bnemeclol15:06
evrardjp:)15:07
bnemecHe's showing offline on slack too, so it may not just be his bouncer.15:09
diablo_rojo_phonmugsie: evrardjp I have not submitted anything yet, but am happy to help15:35
diablo_rojo_phonWhile I don't enjoy talking....I'm growing numb to it lol.15:36
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mugsiei think there is a couple of talks in that room we could do - the gerrit + zuul pitch (for open source dev tooling), leasons learned in growing openstack, and I am sure others15:58
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ttxmugsie: fungi is planning on attending too and was looking up the CFP16:02
ttxMy dance card is full so I'd rather not file more. I'd be in trouble if they accepted all 3 of my proposals :)16:02
mugsiecool - if he is interested in doing the zuul + gerrit pitch, he is infitely more quallified than I am :D16:02
fungisounded like ttx was already proposing a zuul session in the ci track?16:04
fungibut sure, you can never have too much zuul ;)16:04
ttxAnd Matthieu was doing a Zuul one too16:05
fungioh, mhu would give a great zuul talk, yeah16:05
ttxIt's worth noting that devrooms are opaque to each other, so we can have zuul all over16:05
mugsieyeah - it was the "Bringing free software to the GitHub generation" section of the community devroom that cought my eye16:06
fungii was also noodling on doing systems administration as code (covering open systems operation via code review and continuous deployment), and vulnerability management in an open software collaboration (rehash of a talk i have at oscon a while back)16:06
mugsie++ would (try) and attend both :)16:07
mugsies/and/to/16:07
fungithey could be terrible, depending on how much belgian wine i end up drinking the night before16:08
* fungi jokes of course, belgium has no wine ;)16:08
mugsiephew16:08
mugsieit is nearly as bad as french wine16:08
* mugsie ducks to avoid the bottles he assumes are about to be thrown16:09
* evrardjp smiles a lot while reading this backlog16:09
mugsiebut ... delerium is a bad idea on friday night - especially on an empty stomach16:09
jrollfungi: gueuze is more like wine than beer anyway :)16:10
evrardjpjroll: I thought you were a friend16:11
* evrardjp removes jroll from friendlist16:11
fungijroll: that doesn't sound like a glowing endorsement16:11
jrollhrm, maybe I should rephrase16:12
evrardjphahaha16:12
evrardjpfungi: did you try anything like the "Abbayse de Saint Bon-Chien" from switzerland?16:13
evrardjpAbbaye*16:13
fungino, sounds frightening16:13
jrollI have no rephrasing, but let's just say gueuze is the best of all beers16:13
jrolls/is/can be/16:13
fungievrardjp: is that a beverage you're expected to survive?16:13
evrardjpfungi: yeah it's not that alcoholic -- I think around 11 degrees16:14
mugsiehttps://untappd.com/b/brasserie-des-franches-montagnes-bfm-abbaye-de-saint-bon-chien/24195716:14
mugsielooks interesting16:14
evrardjpit is very good16:14
evrardjpit's a different kind of sour -- I like it because it's closer to the wine you were talking about! :p16:15
jrollyum, that sounds great16:15
evrardjpGlad I did a good PSA16:15
mugsiethe danger in BRU is the dellirum - it drinks like water, costs 2e for a glass, but is 9% or something mad16:15
fungiinteresting. my unqualified palate so far has experienced swiss, german and italian wines which all taste like syrup16:16
evrardjpfungi: straw wine/yellow wine?16:16
* jroll is surprised evrardjp isn't giving a PSA about cantillon, drie fontenein, etc :)16:16
evrardjphaha that's really Brussels :)16:17
evrardjpif I start talking belgian beers, it's gonna last forever, and mugsie will not agree anyway16:17
evrardjphahaha16:17
jrollhehe16:17
jrollI usually can't yell over mugsie, but in this case I would do it16:18
evrardjpThough I agree on the delirium analysis of his16:18
evrardjpyou can just sed -i s/delirium beer/many belgian beers/16:18
evrardjp:)16:18
evrardjpanyway, one more reason to come to FOSDEM!16:18
jrollheh, I prefer belgian table beers, still delicious but less dangerous :)16:19
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fungiahh, yes, so we also get the delirium tremens here in the states, i agree it's dangerville16:20
ttxevrardjp: are you saying that Switzerland makes the best beers?16:30
evrardjpttx: yeah, and belgium only makes stella. Basically.16:58
evrardjphaha16:58
mugsieI didn't want to say anything .... butyeah16:58
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evrardjpjroll: Piedboeuf?16:59
jrollevrardjp: I don't know it, I was thinking like 4% ABV saisons and the like17:02
evrardjpyeah that sounds like the in strong range of the table beers17:02
jrolllower is good too :)17:03
evrardjpI didn't drink that for ages!17:03
evrardjpreminds me the canteen at school17:03
evrardjp:)17:03
openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Provide short description for cryptic team names  https://review.opendev.org/69517417:18
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evrardjpmugsie: diablo_rojo_phon should we prepare something on the "Lessons learned on growing OpenStack" ? We should start by having a good name and abstract, then we can iterate :p17:24
fungi"open source adulthood: what we learned about growing up"17:27
evrardjpthat sounds awesome17:27
evrardjphttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/learnings-from-openstack-community-talk for those interested17:28
evrardjp(this is a brainstorm etherpad)17:28
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zaneblet's see if my network connection is more stable today...20:10
zanebevrardjp: I don't use an IRC bouncer fwiw20:12
zanebis that one of those things people do in the cloud?20:16
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openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed openstack/governance master: Document the chair's prerogative to continue debate  https://review.opendev.org/69617820:39
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fungizaneb: i think "irc bouncer" is something people assume when they are somewhere that persistent internet connections are not usual22:37
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fungii don't have a stable internet connection, but i have access to a cloud provider who does, so i just run my irc client there and attach to/detach from it as needed22:37
zanebto me IRC is for synchronous communication22:40
zanebif I'm not online, you won't be having a synchronous conversation with me22:40
zanebmaybe I'll check scrollback, maybe I won't22:40
fungii'm not even sure i'm having synchronous conversation with you now22:40
zanebthe people who designed Slack do not understand this and that is why I hate it with a burning passion22:41
fungii'm sure we can come up with more reasons for you to have slack if you have a few moments22:42
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fungibut probably best to just leave it at nominal levels of hate22:42
zanebtrue, I have many other complaints about it22:42
zanebbut anyway, I don't run a bouncer so as to keep IRC not-Slack22:43
zanebif my laptop weren't tied to a stable internet connection 90% of the time I could see myself making a different choice though22:44
fungiyeah, i basically live in a tmux session on a cloud server and keep all my irc, mutt, gertty, et cetera state there, then opportunistically multi-attach to it via mosh from lots of client systems22:50
fungiso in my case it's not that i may or may not have a computer connected, it's that i may or may not be at the keyboard of a connected computer at any given time22:51
smcginnisThat's what has worked best for me.22:51
fungiyep, at this point in time i have four client systems connected to and possibly displaying this session. but in a moment i'm going to walk away from this keyboard and possibly not look at any of them for the next hour22:53
fungifeel free to "ping" me all you like, i won't know until the next time i decide to saddle up to a terminal and reauthorise my input/output peripherals22:53
smcginnisThe Sun Ray should make a comeback. :D22:54
fungii spent days trying to work out how to get a working os onto a sunray22:56
fungithose things were very squarely designed to only work with sunos/solaris terminal servers22:56
fungimany beers ago i took a job with a data center startup who acquired one facility out of bankruptcy which had a storeroom full of sunrays still in boxes22:57
fungiand all their solaris terminal server licenses were expired22:58
fungithose things were basically ballast22:58
smcginnisYeah, at that point.22:59
fungithe built-in smartcard readers were an interesting feature though22:59
smcginnisRemember when Target sent these out to everyone that had a Target card? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Target-Smart-Card-Reader-GCR432-USB-Brand-New-/12259958623723:04
smcginnisNever did use the thing.23:04
fungii never intentionally gave target enough information on me to qualify for a target card, but that's a fun bit of history23:05
smcginnisWay too ahead of the time and (I think) not very well thought out.23:06
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fungii love that amazon is suggesting (for me at least) that it's similar to their sponsored ad for a llama table lamp23:07
smcginnisMe too. I think I would much rather have the llama lamp than the card reader, to be fair. :D23:07
fungithe sheer randomness that comes from opening every hyperlink in an anonymous cookie-free tab container23:08
fungi"you must be new to the internet... here, have a llama lamp"23:08
smcginnisHah23:09
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