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| ttx | tc-members: Next OSF community newsletter will be released this week, with a spotlight on OpenStack Train release. If there is anything else you'd like to see mentioned in it, please fill https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news | 12:22 |
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| jroll | I've lost, and am having a hard time finding, our review dashboard. does anyone have a link handy? | 15:04 |
| gmann | jroll: this one - | 15:05 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/#/dashboard/?title=Technical+Committee+Inbox&foreach=project%3Aopenstack%2Fgovernance+is%3Aopen&My+proposals=owner%3Aself&Formal+Vote+Items+I+have+not+voted+on+yet=topic%3Aformal%2Dvote+NOT+%28+label%3ARollCall%2DVote%2B1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollCall%2DVote%2D1%2Cself+%29&Has+at+Least+One+Objection=%28+label%3ARollCall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+%29&Quickies=%28+topi | 15:05 |
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| gmann | ohh | 15:05 |
| fungi | jroll: it's conveniently included in the new tc member doc | 15:05 |
| fungi | so once https://review.opendev.org/683432 merges it'll be documented in there | 15:06 |
| gmann | http://tiny.cc/wj5hez | 15:06 |
| jroll | gmann: fungi: thanks :) | 15:06 |
| fungi | it links via a url shortener service: http://bit.ly/os-tc-dashboard | 15:06 |
| fungi | (in the proposed document) | 15:07 |
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| zaneb | jroll: also http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2018-June/001507.html | 17:48 |
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| gmann | tc-members: I prepared the etherpad for the plan of dropping python 2 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/drop-python2-support | 21:10 |
| gmann | let me know or edit if I have missed any point. This will be used to collect the key points and schedule which will discuss on 24th TC office hour. | 21:11 |
| gmann | I will circulate this etherpad to openstack-discuss ML tomorrow. | 21:12 |
| fungi | i added a note in there to discuss the implications for ffu | 21:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Add affiliations and country to structured data https://review.opendev.org/688576 | 21:37 |
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| dhellmann | gmann : did you see the email thread from stephenfin about starting to do this in nova? | 22:01 |
| gmann | dhellmann: yeah. that is aligned to phase-1 proposed in above etherpad. each project need to coordinate like stephenfin started for nova | 22:02 |
| dhellmann | gmann : if a client library drops support for 2 then any consumers of that library will immediately drop support as well. I think you're going to want to treat all of the libraries the same way. | 22:02 |
| dhellmann | (that's in reference to line 32) | 22:03 |
| gmann | dhellmann: for library, it will be good if all consumer drop the support first so that we can avoid breaking any of the consumer who are planing to drop step by step or we can say if all consumer do not plan to drop at the same time. | 22:06 |
| clarkb | gmann: it might be good for projects to give a small reason for supporting python2 in that list of projects that want python2, this way we ensure we aren't missing obvious gaps (and can maybe identify paths to migrating forward) | 22:06 |
| gmann | clarkb: +1 | 22:06 |
| clarkb | also why can't we do upstream testing of python2 to python3 if people want to test that upstream? | 22:07 |
| dhellmann | gmann : yes, I agree. I read "Python clients can start dropping the py2 support in the same way listed above" as meaning that client libraries can drop support for 2 along with services. Maybe you meant python-openstackclient and not things like python-novaclient? | 22:07 |
| clarkb | nothing prevents you from writing a zuul job to do that | 22:07 |
| clarkb | (I don't like the message being "you must do this as third party ci if you want to test this) | 22:07 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : I think the conclusion we came to was that someone could do that work, but no one signed up, so we weren't going to promise that it would be done | 22:07 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: thats fine, but the etherpad says you must do this as third party if you want to test it | 22:07 |
| dhellmann | at least that's how I remember it when mriedem originally brought it up? | 22:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, yeah, we should clarify that | 22:07 |
| clarkb | we often push things to third party ci that don't need to be | 22:08 |
| gmann | dhellmann: yeah i will clarify the client lib and openstackcleint | 22:09 |
| gmann | clarkb: dhellmann yeah if anyone interested to write that job then fine but we did not find any volunteer till now so i think we should just say clear no to that. But i will add that as option if we find any volunteer. | 22:10 |
| clarkb | gmann: also left a note that I don't think we need to update DEVSTACK_GATE_USE_PYTHON3 as it should already respect devstack's per branch default | 22:11 |
| clarkb | only jobs that want to override the default will need to set that | 22:11 |
| gmann | clarkb: oh it is, then it will be easy. | 22:12 |
| clarkb | ya it defaults to "" in d-g and we only set the localrc value if it is not empty string | 22:13 |
| clarkb | so it should fall through and use devstack's per branch default for whatever branch is running | 22:13 |
| gmann | yeah - https://github.com/openstack/devstack-gate/blob/401e7535c6c29f9ba814058610ef6cefc952678b/devstack-vm-gate.sh#L328 | 22:14 |
| gmann | thanks | 22:15 |
| clarkb | semi related, we've got centos 8 images near being ready (they are bootable and able to run jobs but there are some bugs in configuring the mirror for it) | 22:17 |
| clarkb | centos 8 is another viable python3.6 platform for testing | 22:18 |
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| clarkb | though now that bionic has 10 years of support there may be little need to want to switch (mostly thinking about stable branch longevity) | 22:18 |
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| fungi | i think as soon as the distros listed in the pti for a corresponding release reach eol, then extended maintenance of those branches likely ceases as well | 22:21 |
| fungi | i wouldn't want to try switching a bunch of jobs for a 4-year-old branch from one distro to another | 22:21 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya I was more thinking for U and going forward | 22:21 |
| clarkb | U could be tested for 10 years (in theory) | 22:21 |
| clarkb | give or take a few weeks | 22:21 |
| fungi | yep | 22:21 |
| fungi | as long as we end up with extensive testing on it | 22:22 |
| fungi | it's unclear to me how well the present devstack+tempest and grenade jobs work on centos | 22:22 |
| gmann | clarkb: dhellmann thanks for feedback, I have updated the etherpad for those points | 22:24 |
| dhellmann | gmann : thanks for pushing this migration to the next stage | 22:25 |
| gmann | fungi: we have only 'devstack-platform-centos-7' job on devstack - devstack-platform-centos-7 | 22:25 |
| clarkb | gmann: ya centos-8 isn't quite ready for use yet due to mirror setup problems but it is close | 22:26 |
| clarkb | I just wanted to point out that it is close and can also run python3.6 jobs (and gives us 10 years of support) | 22:26 |
| clarkb | bionic gives us ~8.5 at this point which is probably more than enough though | 22:26 |
| gmann | fungi: tosky was trying the another one on cinder-tempest-plugin - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/685048/ | 22:27 |
| gmann | clarkb: +1. | 22:27 |
| fungi | neat! | 22:27 |
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| gmann | dhellmann: thank you for all your hard work to make py3 support happen. I am just pushing things so that it finish the last steps in the same planned way as you all did for py3 support. | 22:30 |
| dhellmann | it has been a group effort the whole way :-) | 22:31 |
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| gmann | +100 | 22:33 |
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