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| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/governance master: Retiring project os-acc: Step 5/5. https://review.opendev.org/682548 | 05:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/governance master: Retiring project os-acc. https://review.opendev.org/682548 | 05:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sundar Nadathur proposed openstack/governance master: Retiring project os-acc. https://review.opendev.org/682548 | 06:10 |
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| asettle | o/ | 08:21 |
| ricolin | o/ | 08:25 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 08:40 |
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| ttx | o/ | 09:00 |
| ttx | office hour starts | 09:01 |
| ttx | Re: leaderless projects, we now have a proposed appointment for all except 2. PowerVMStackers will likely be turned into a SIG after the Train release, and Designate is still debating who should go in. | 09:02 |
| ttx | Reminder that OSF will have a community newsletter out this week. If there is anything we should mention as far as openStack goes, please feed in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news as always | 09:03 |
| asettle | thanks ttx | 09:03 |
| ttx | Otherwise we need to discuss https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-TC-brainstorming this week | 09:03 |
| ttx | in time for filing sessions before deadline | 09:03 |
| ttx | (deadline is this Friday) | 09:04 |
| ttx | so please add your name to the various topics already proposed so that we see if there is enough interest / momentum to discuss them in Shanghai | 09:05 |
| evrardjp | ttx: could you clarify what you meant by OpenStack Stewardship in more than the two questions in the etherpad? | 09:08 |
| evrardjp | I am not sure to understand the same meaning as you | 09:08 |
| ttx | Could be titled "OpenStack Leadership" -- but I think our leaders are more stewards than leaders. They care for their constituents and give them what the environment they need to strive, rather than give them marching orders | 09:10 |
| ttx | evrardjp: does that clarify? | 09:12 |
| evrardjp | yup | 09:24 |
| evrardjp | thanks ttx | 09:25 |
| evrardjp | this office hour is more busy than usual, or is it me? :p | 09:25 |
| asettle | I guess it's relatively popping | 09:26 |
| asettle | In comparison | 09:26 |
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| asettle | ttx, would the pdf goal success be worth including in the newsletter? It's not complete for all projects, but would be nice to be like "we have a solution, and all teams can start building pdf's or if community members want to help...etc" | 09:32 |
| asettle | Thoughts? | 09:32 |
| ttx | asettle: yes, you can propose a quick paragraph on it. Not 100% sure it will be included this time (depends on how much else we have in the newsletter) but in all cases it would feed into Train release messaging | 09:33 |
| asettle | ttx, cool | 09:34 |
| asettle | Doing now | 09:34 |
| ttx | thanks! | 09:34 |
| evrardjp | asettle: ttx I know it could be a little controversial, but could putting company names be worth it in the OSF community newsletter? | 09:36 |
| evrardjp | I am wondering if saying companies x and y did that, maybe it will motivate others to do the same, to be on the newsletter too? | 09:37 |
| evrardjp | (tell me if I am crazy!) | 09:37 |
| asettle | evrardjp, like, thanks to "company" for stepping up and helping out a lot here? | 09:38 |
| asettle | Hm, controversial and potentially favouritism. But also, a driver. | 09:38 |
| ttx | evrardjp: it's a balance to strike between giving some credit back and make it appear company-hats first | 09:38 |
| evrardjp | ttx: correct. | 09:38 |
| ttx | Like when the Kubernetes Slack was all about company logos after your name | 09:39 |
| evrardjp | I would expect to that for both the leadership members and the pdf goal | 09:39 |
| asettle | Hmmm so, I think what evrardjp is getting at is that we drove this really hard internally. | 09:39 |
| ttx | So crediting a goal champion and citing their company is ok. | 09:39 |
| asettle | And it was really, really helpful. | 09:39 |
| asettle | ttx, dat be me | 09:39 |
| ttx | Listing all companies for all PTLs newly stepping up might be over the top | 09:39 |
| asettle | Drove the goal* really hard internally | 09:39 |
| evrardjp | ttx: I agree | 09:40 |
| evrardjp | I am not sure the newsletter need to have the name of every single member too | 09:40 |
| evrardjp | but I like it either way | 09:40 |
| asettle | evrardjp, specifically want to shout out on the PDF goal as they did a TONNE of work. | 09:40 |
| evrardjp | I just wanted to motivate :) | 09:40 |
| ttx | ack | 09:41 |
| evrardjp | I think I am saying those comments because I am not 100% sure to know the audience of the newsletter, and how it's read | 09:41 |
| evrardjp | ttx: are there statistics about that? | 09:41 |
| ttx | yes, let me see | 09:42 |
| ttx | 13,710 opens on average | 09:44 |
| ttx | 1,325 clicks on average | 09:44 |
| evrardjp | wow | 09:45 |
| ttx | it is sent to the membership, which is a large number of people | 09:45 |
| evrardjp | yeah I would expect with those numbers that we'll hit a lot of different profiles | 09:45 |
| ttx | yes, which is why it's a delicate balance | 09:46 |
| ttx | We need to give enough valuable information but keep it light and accessible | 09:46 |
| evrardjp | agreed | 09:47 |
| ttx | I'm all for giving details of sausage-making though, as long as we can make it understandable by all | 09:47 |
| evrardjp | that's kinda what I expected in terms of audience, though I didn't expect that large numbers. | 09:47 |
| ttx | (hence the "we hit feature freeze" style snippets | 09:47 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 09:47 |
| evrardjp | I think those are good | 09:47 |
| ttx | Even for me the newsletter is useful, sometimes I miss things in projects I'm not directly involved with | 09:48 |
| evrardjp | then it's already valuable :) | 09:49 |
| evrardjp | but I didn't suggest otherwise | 09:49 |
| evrardjp | I was just merely trying to see if we can spark more attractiveness for some marketing folks by putting company names. :) | 09:50 |
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| * jroll is back and declaring scrollback bankruptcy other than highlights | 11:00 | |
| jroll | morning :) | 11:00 |
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| evrardjp | morning jroll | 11:13 |
| mnaser | Another update.... https://twitter.com/CentOSProject/status/1173652996305170432?s=19 | 11:28 |
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| asettle | zaneb, I don't know what you quite mean here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681491/2/reference/projects.yaml | 12:23 |
| asettle | mnaser too | 12:23 |
| asettle | He wasn't appointed in stein, he was only appointed in ussuri. So. there's no list? | 12:24 |
| asettle | Have I misunderstood the purpose of that? | 12:24 |
| evrardjp | I think zaneb wanted to keep track of _all_ the instances when a project was appointed. | 12:25 |
| asettle | I mean, if you look on the left it says nobody soooo | 12:25 |
| asettle | ? | 12:25 |
| evrardjp | While other ppl might want to keep track of all the times since no need of an appointment | 12:25 |
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| evrardjp | well that's because election team had no candidates, so that kinda makes sense | 12:27 |
| evrardjp | then it makes sense to list when we appoint | 12:27 |
| evrardjp | the question is whether it's important to keep a full history or a history only until _not appointing_ | 12:28 |
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| asettle | evrardjp, yes but what I'm saying is it looked like an example placeholder, not something to update? | 12:39 |
| evrardjp | Yes but merging the placeholder on the left didn't update L3943 . The patch on the right did, and it would be something to not update. | 12:41 |
| asettle | Colour me confused | 12:43 |
| evrardjp | maybe I need a better translator:) | 12:43 |
| asettle | If it means just updating the patch with -stein then so be it | 12:43 |
| asettle | Don't care | 12:43 |
| asettle | But confused | 12:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Appointing Lucian Petrut as winstackers PTL https://review.opendev.org/681491 | 12:43 |
| evrardjp | ok let's assume we keep track of all appointments and vote on this :) | 12:45 |
| asettle | I just updated it it's fine | 12:45 |
| evrardjp | thanks for the update | 12:45 |
| evrardjp | yeah, I wasn't sure of our practices there. | 12:45 |
| evrardjp | folks, can you vote again on the patch above please ? ^ | 12:48 |
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| njohnston | +1 | 12:55 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 14:25 |
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| gmann | o/ | 15:25 |
| asettle | gmann, uh oh: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681491/ hahaha | 15:44 |
| asettle | I think you might want to just let that one go | 15:44 |
| gmann | asettle: :), I think i managed to no merge that. I will remove the -W | 15:44 |
| asettle | It's been up long enough for nobody to dispute it | 15:45 |
| gmann | it can but we can wait for more vote or deadline to merge. are we adding deadline for format-vote patches once minimum number of votes are in favor ? | 15:45 |
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| gmann | it should wait for next 3 days from today as today it reached the minimum number of positive votes | 15:49 |
| asettle | Sure | 15:52 |
| mnaser | gmann: i think you're fine to remove hte -w | 16:01 |
| gmann | mnaser: yeah, done | 16:02 |
| mnaser | zuul will not merge it because it double check if its +W before merging again and it already semes to have reported anyways | 16:02 |
| gmann | yeah. | 16:03 |
| zaneb | I gotta say it feels like a minefield with all these new buttons to avoid clicking | 16:04 |
| zaneb | ok 1 more button | 16:04 |
| asettle | tc-members - I appreciate appreciate some eyes on: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/679654/ it's a slight update to the pdf goal but it would be heplful to have it in before we fully address the goal as a success for train | 16:04 |
| asettle | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/679654/ | 16:04 |
| asettle | ... whyyyy did I post that twice | 16:04 |
| asettle | You get me thoooo | 16:05 |
| gmann | looks fine to me | 16:07 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: i have come up with some sorts of update for our community and also between us on the status of things we have worked on | 18:41 |
| mnaser | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-action-items-update-sep-2019 | 18:41 |
| mnaser | can i get an ok that it seems to mostly make sense before i email it out? | 18:42 |
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| gmann | mnaser: it is good to add the ML thread under '# Goal Selection for 'U'' and etherpad where we already have two proposal - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008277.html https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-u-series-goals | 18:46 |
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| gmann | mnaser: and second AI in '# Goal selection retrospective' is not done by this ?- https://review.opendev.org/#/c/667932/4 | 18:49 |
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| jroll | gmann: jungleboyj: cloudnull: njohnston: evrardjp: welcome (back) to the TC :) | 19:11 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 19:11 |
| njohnston | thank you jroll! | 19:11 |
| cloudnull | happy to be here :) | 19:11 |
| jroll | :D | 19:12 |
| gmann | thanks jroll | 19:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/governance master: Corret the IPv6 gerrit topic https://review.opendev.org/682737 | 20:15 |
| gmann | johnsom: ^^ | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Cool, thanks! | 20:16 |
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| jungleboyj | jroll: Thank you. | 20:46 |
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| mnaser | so on the topic of centos | 22:43 |
| mnaser | 7.7 is out today and 8 will be out on the 24th | 22:43 |
| mnaser | tc-members: also, please go ahead and review all the current changes, as a lot of the outgoing tc members votes were removed and we've got quite the queue of changes :) | 22:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: document house rules for approving election results https://review.opendev.org/681085 | 22:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Appoint Sundar Nadathur as Cyborg PTL https://review.opendev.org/680426 | 22:57 |
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