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| gmann | tc-members, ttx RE on cinder driver: NEC driver team is working to migrate the driver on py3 and soon will update PTL and community ML on that. | 01:49 |
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| gmann | smcginnis: ^^ | 01:49 |
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| asettle | tc-members - email sent out regarding the legacy client CLI and OSC goal https://review.opendev.org/639376 | 08:49 |
| asettle | Please keep an eye out :) hopefully nothing ~bad~ will happen from it | 08:49 |
| asettle | Hopefully Artem responds, otherwise I'll abandon by the end of the week. | 08:50 |
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| evrardjp | o/ | 09:02 |
| evrardjp | gmann: awesome news | 09:03 |
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| ricolin | o/ | 09:13 |
| asettle | o// | 09:21 |
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| asettle | ricolin, I added some comments here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/668093/12 | 11:31 |
| asettle | evrardjp, and I were discussing the inclusion of docs as a SIG | 11:31 |
| asettle | I don't meant to push your patch back further, but it turned out we had two very different definitions of a SIG | 11:31 |
| evrardjp | I didn't do it! | 11:31 |
| asettle | And the comparison didn't make that much clearer. Perhaps it's a discussion we need to have | 11:31 |
| asettle | You did mate, yuo did | 11:31 |
| evrardjp | hahaha | 11:32 |
| ricolin | asettle, thx, will update it today:) | 11:32 |
| evrardjp | I was told that's what I have to say when feeling guilty | 11:32 |
| asettle | Thanks ricolin :) let me know if you have any questions. evrardjp and I debated for the better part of an hour :p | 11:32 |
| evrardjp | hahaha | 11:32 |
| evrardjp | glad we had the convo to clarify things though | 11:32 |
| asettle | agreed :D | 11:33 |
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| mnaser | 👋 | 12:07 |
| asettle | Hola | 12:10 |
| mnaser | does anyone know what's going on with the uc? | 12:11 |
| mnaser | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2019-August/002864.html -- elections mentioned that they close for nominations by "August 16, 05:59 UTC" | 12:12 |
| mnaser | there seems to be only 1 candidate only -- http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2019-August/thread.html#2864 | 12:12 |
| asettle | Ho dear, I did not know | 12:12 |
| mnaser | and i think we needed 2 candidates | 12:13 |
| mnaser | i dont see anything here -- https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/governance-uc+is:open | 12:13 |
| mnaser | https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/uc-election-aug2019.html | 12:15 |
| mnaser | seems like 2 spots were open | 12:15 |
| asettle | Have you reached out to Ed, mnaser ? | 12:18 |
| mnaser | i have not yet, just wondering if i missed the memo :) | 12:19 |
| asettle | if a memo went out, I missed it too | 12:19 |
| asettle | Worth checking in | 12:19 |
| mnaser | maybe ianychoi can also give feedback, dont see ed on irc right now | 12:19 |
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| asettle | smcginnis, "is the library good code" well in all my tech writing experience, I'd say it's the best code. The most bestest code ever | 12:55 |
| smcginnis | asettle: Haha! ;) | 12:55 |
| smcginnis | I've always liked that question. "Um, sure, looks good" | 12:56 |
| asettle | smcginnis, other than flat out listing the questions, do you have an example format of how you'd ilke the commit message to look? | 12:56 |
| smcginnis | Ones in the past have listed the questions. So question on one line, answer below, repeat... | 12:56 |
| asettle | Fair. I'll go by that then :) | 12:57 |
| smcginnis | Sorry, bit of a hassle I know, but then it captures all the information needed and is good if we ever need to look back to figure something out. | 12:57 |
| asettle | No, totally understandable :) i'll fix it after my meeting | 12:57 |
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| fungi | mnaser: at one point (maybe a year ago?) there was talk of uc candidates running on a platform of shutting down the user committee since it can't come up with a clear definition of what it should do, doesn't hold most of its scheduled meetings, et cetera | 13:50 |
| fungi | that wound up not happening, but i don't think the situation with it has gotten any better | 13:51 |
| fungi | the main complication is that it's mentioned in the foundation bylaws, so it still needs to exist in some form (or we need yet another bylaws change), but it can become vestigial | 13:52 |
| fungi | i don't blame the current or past uc members for this situation, i don't think there was ever much direction provided to them from any side | 13:53 |
| fungi | i see this as an opportunity to ask the uc members and community at large what future they envision for it | 13:54 |
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| asettle | What about a UC SIG, fungi ? | 14:05 |
| asettle | Has that been suggested before? | 14:05 |
| fungi | well, we'd have to redefine what sigs are | 14:14 |
| fungi | right now the uc has shared governance of sigs (along with the tc) | 14:14 |
| fungi | if the uc were effectively dissolved we'd have to redefine sig governance anyway i guess | 14:14 |
| asettle | Interestingly, evrardjp and I were discussing that this morning. I've commented on Rico's post regarding the definitions because I think the water is still a bit muddy, esp with the inclusion of docs | 14:15 |
| asettle | If we could change that to potentially include a function similar to the UC | 14:15 |
| asettle | I almost think that would make more sense | 14:15 |
| fungi | it could. certainly worth a discussion | 14:16 |
| asettle | I'm all about those email discussions lately | 14:17 |
| * asettle fires up the emailatron | 14:17 | |
| asettle | Okay seriously before I dive in, should we start this conversation on email first or perhaps with Ed and Amy? | 14:17 |
| fungi | i would first figure out if the uc election is really dead in the water | 14:18 |
| fungi | yes | 14:18 |
| asettle | Hmm alright, mnaser - I'm happy to take that over if you haven't already emailed or setup conversations | 14:18 |
| fungi | but also if folks do actually want to commit to running for uc seats on a platform of winding down the uc, this could be a good idea to suggest it | 14:18 |
| fungi | er, a good time to suggest it | 14:18 |
| asettle | Okay, sounds reasonable | 14:19 |
| mnaser | asettle: all yours if you'd like :) | 14:22 |
| asettle | mnaser, swell | 14:24 |
| asettle | Public? Or best if I just email Ed first? Do we have a protocol for things like this? | 14:24 |
| asettle | smcginnis, updated with answers: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677433/ does that format work? | 14:58 |
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| mnaser | asettle: maybe reach out to ed and ian privately first (as the two officials) and see what happens | 15:18 |
| asettle | ... man you have timing | 15:18 |
| asettle | I literally jsut emailed asking how it went publicly | 15:18 |
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| mnaser | i mean i don't think it makes a big of a difference :p | 15:19 |
| asettle | Not hugely. I had a poke around to see if I could find evidence of any other candidates, but I was unable to | 15:19 |
| asettle | So hopefully we'll get an idea from them what the status is and where they're sitting and perhaps we can start discussions on the future of the UC | 15:19 |
| asettle | I think it's a great idea to keep it in some fashion | 15:19 |
| ianychoi | mnaser, there were only one nomination and UC decided to open a special election to recruit more UC(s) on yesterday UC meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2019/uc.2019-08-19-15.04.log.html#l-70 | 15:49 |
| mnaser | eh | 15:51 |
| mnaser | it would have been nice to have some involvement of the community in that, or some ML post to explain what is about to happen | 15:52 |
| mnaser | i would have personally had comments to say about that | 15:52 |
| fungi | also, this may be heretical, but should we care? aside from joint jurisdiction over sigs, is there anything we directly rely on the uc for? if there's not even enough interest from the community to staff the elected seats on the uc then trying to convince people to be on it seems likely to result in staffing it with people who aren't really that vested in having it do things anyway | 15:52 |
| mnaser | well, i would have proposed to scale it down to 3 members | 15:52 |
| ianychoi | The un-decided things at the moment is to determine when such a new election starts (just the perspective as an election official) | 15:53 |
| ianychoi | mnaser, really good point - I would like to share now what happens on UC... :) Would it be fine, although it seems that it is a little bit late? | 15:54 |
| fungi | i mean, if it just becomes a nascent vestigial body because it's mandated in the bylaws but isn't actually tasked with any responsibilities, then i don't see the harm in just letting it be whatever it's going to be | 15:54 |
| gmann | yeah, from TC perspective we need SIG co-owner from UC otherwise it will change the TC roles. Other than that i am also not sure what TC can do in that ? | 15:56 |
| gmann | hope BoD aware/notice the current situation. ianychoi ? | 15:56 |
| ianychoi | I am not sure how TC and UC cooperate together, but anyone including TC can ask what the situation of UC is :) | 15:57 |
| ianychoi | gmann, oh I didn't think about BoD - I will discuss with Ed | 15:58 |
| gmann | yeah that is true. I was thinking of BoD from fungi mention of bylaws which is imp. | 15:59 |
| fungi | from a sig perspective, we really just (currently) need one uc liaison to co-chair the meta-sig, but that can certainly be adjusted if there's not enough of a uc left to provide a co-chair for it | 16:00 |
| gmann | in that case where the governance (complete governance ) of SIG goes? under TC only ? | 16:01 |
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| fungi | there are probably other options, but i don't personally feel like exploring them unless we discover that it's necessary | 16:08 |
| asettle | ^ aye that | 16:11 |
| asettle | ianychoi, I sent a public email regarding the UC update | 16:11 |
| asettle | Perhaps you can respond to that so we can track the updates | 16:11 |
| ianychoi | asettle, oh I was writing like https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-election-email-election-status-aug-2019 but you are much faster.. :) | 16:11 |
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| ianychoi | asettle, thank you :) | 16:11 |
| asettle | ianychoi, oh I mean, I sent an email requesting an update! | 16:11 |
| asettle | Sorry, not that quick! | 16:12 |
| asettle | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008616.html | 16:12 |
| asettle | thsi one | 16:12 |
| ianychoi | asettle, aha I have time to update the status :) yep reading :) | 16:12 |
| asettle | Thank you, very short email. Just might be good to track in one place :) | 16:12 |
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| ianychoi | asettle, thanks a lot too, for your kind review on my draft writing :) I have just shared via http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008617.html | 16:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Guilherme Steinmuller Pimentel proposed openstack/governance master: Add os_murano project https://review.opendev.org/677541 | 18:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Use promote for publishing https://review.opendev.org/677545 | 18:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: I18n Extra-ATCs for Train https://review.opendev.org/674049 | 18:56 |
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