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| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Ansible SIG https://review.opendev.org/676428 | 14:43 |
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| corvus | zaneb: in your email you said: "the Foundation implied that they would veto all of the names on the grounds that their China expert didn't feel that using the GR transliteration would be appropriate because of reasons." | 16:26 |
| corvus | zaneb: do you (or does anyone else) have a link to that discussion? i only know what transpired earlier in the thread | 16:27 |
| zaneb | no, I was not party to it either | 16:27 |
| corvus | is this just something that "everyone knows" but i don't? | 16:28 |
| zaneb | maybe? for small definitions of 'everyone'. I only barely caught wind of it | 16:29 |
| jroll | I wasn't aware of that, fwiw | 16:29 |
| jroll | but may have just purged it from memory by now | 16:29 |
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| zaneb | that's my interpretation based on second-hand information about why the region was expanded | 16:30 |
| zaneb | I'm sure mnaser can give a more accurate account | 16:31 |
| corvus | yeah, if there's some reason that the GR names were struck from the list other than it's just an "unusual" romanization, that would be a really good thing for people to know | 16:32 |
| zaneb | I mean, that was pretty much the reason AIUI, but it came from the foundation as well as from feedback on the list | 16:33 |
| fungi | zaneb: corvus: i believe that came second-hand via mnaser: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2019-07-01.log.html#t2019-07-01T19:33:16 | 16:34 |
| fungi | that's the only reference i'm aware of though | 16:35 |
| corvus | that is news to me. thanks | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | We had mixed feedback from native speakers about GR. At first the feedback was that it should be OK, but then later on there was stronger feedback that it would be very unusual to most Chinese. | 16:38 |
| corvus | yeah, unusual is different than "politically offensive" which is what's being implied here | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | I think part of the concern was preventing non-Chinese from voting for names that would make native Chinese unhappy and/or confused. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Well, to be fair, I did get the impression that some would consider it politically offensive. | 16:39 |
| corvus | smcginnis: true. in my mind, it's still an open question whether "local name in GR" vs "mongolian name" is more weird. | 16:39 |
| corvus | i'm not sure we'll ever get a satisfactory answer to that at this point, though i'm still very curious | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Yeah. At least one person stated Mongolian names would not be as weird, but it's all stange to me. | 16:40 |
| corvus | zaneb: while i have a minor quibble where you spoke for me in that email, i largely agree with you so i'm going to decline to reply. | 16:40 |
| fungi | granted, those are things which osf marketing/legal could also strike from the poll results afterward, optionally with input from the community identifying the issues (like happened with the m release) | 16:40 |
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| mnaser | i dont wanna throw anyone under the bus, but by no means anyone from the OSF was "this is a hard no" | 17:42 |
| mnaser | none of the OSF staff said "we're going to veto this and not do it", horace was providing cultural background and information to the rest of the community | 17:43 |
| mnaser | cc zaneb corvus ^ | 17:43 |
| mnaser | but by no means in that discussion i heard a "wow we would never ok this" | 17:43 |
| mnaser | i was just taking contextual knowledge from someone who's in china and helping pass that onto the tc | 17:44 |
| zaneb | mnaser: thanks for clarifying | 17:44 |
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| gmann | o/ | 22:45 |
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