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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Defining popup teams https://review.opendev.org/661356 | 09:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Adding Image Encryption as a popup team https://review.opendev.org/661983 | 09:12 |
| asettle | o/ | 09:38 |
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| lbragstad | just double checking, but the meeting is in an hour and 45 minutes, right? | 12:16 |
| asettle | Fuck | 12:17 |
| asettle | I mean | 12:17 |
| asettle | Uh | 12:17 |
| asettle | Yes | 12:17 |
| asettle | I wrote the damn email | 12:17 |
| asettle | Yes. In an hour and 45 minutes | 12:18 |
| * asettle head desk | 12:18 | |
| lbragstad | sweet - just making sure my calendar was right | 12:23 |
| lbragstad | thanks asettle ;) | 12:23 |
| jroll | lol | 12:27 |
| jroll | thanks for the reminder :) | 12:27 |
| asettle | Might just do a casual ping aye | 12:32 |
| asettle | tc-members - don't forget the team meeting in 1 hour and 30 minutes from now. That's 1400 UTC for those playing along at home. | 12:33 |
| asettle | Your host will be me, a benevolent dictator of meetings | 12:33 |
| asettle | We shall be running through the agenda as a recap of all the things. | 12:34 |
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| asettle | tc-members half an hour thank ye | 13:32 |
| gmann | o/ thanks for reminder asettle. | 13:33 |
| asettle | I'm all about the reminder life | 13:34 |
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| mugsie | asettle: https://youtu.be/9jK-NcRmVcw?t=117 | 13:35 |
| asettle | Never not a jam | 13:35 |
| asettle | Also I should point out for everyone that the last time I hosted an IRC meeting was like, 2018 so this might be um... fun | 13:35 |
| smcginnis | Not much has changed. ;) | 13:36 |
| asettle | Just some classic hashes and startmeetings and other good stuff then fab fab | 13:36 |
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| smcginnis | asettle: I thought I would be around for the meeting, but just found out I have a conflict. I will follow up on any questions if needed, but I think the zaqar issue I raised is looking a lot better than it was Monday. | 13:52 |
| asettle | Okay neato | 13:52 |
| * asettle uses toilet paper roll as a megaphone: tc-members 5 minutes please | 13:55 | |
| * dhellmann lines up outside the door to the conference room | 13:55 | |
| evrardjp | :) | 13:55 |
| asettle | Grab your tea, grab your cuppa joe, line up, line up | 13:56 |
| asettle | Smoke now or you'll really want to once the meeting is done with me | 13:57 |
| * fungi has fluidic caffeine in hand | 13:57 | |
| asettle | Good to define what state the caffeine is in | 13:57 |
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| fungi | non-gaseous | 13:57 |
| * asettle nods knowingly | 13:57 | |
| * lbragstad throws a couple extra strong americanos in a beer helmet | 13:57 | |
| asettle | I get that | 13:57 |
| asettle | Smart man, lbragstad | 13:57 |
| asettle | We'll be doing a classic Alex Goes Really Fast Through Agenda Items Meeting | 13:58 |
| asettle | It's a style | 13:58 |
| lbragstad | caffeinating without hands... | 13:58 |
| fungi | ooh, i need a coffee helmet too. great idea | 13:58 |
| asettle | Honestly it's genius | 13:58 |
| fungi | or just an iv drip | 13:58 |
| asettle | Whatever works for you | 13:59 |
| asettle | Not everyone likes needles, really | 13:59 |
| fungi | and... you're on | 14:00 |
| asettle | #startmeeting tc | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 6 14:00:05 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 14:00 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 14:00 |
| jroll | \o | 14:00 |
| asettle | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 14:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 14:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| asettle | Rolling the call... | 14:00 |
| ricolin | \o/ | 14:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 14:00 |
| mnaser | o/ | 14:00 |
| asettle | Will give a minute before jumping right into it | 14:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 14:00 |
| * fungi rollcalls like a mouseketeer | 14:00 | |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| zaneb | o/ | 14:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 14:01 |
| asettle | Entirely inappropriate but I do love a good gif-fuelled meeting. Let it be known that I am very welcoming of reaction gifs in my hosted meetings. | 14:01 |
| asettle | Alright! | 14:01 |
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| asettle | #topic Changes to the health check process | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Changes to the health check process (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:02 | |
| asettle | The suggestion was to remove the formality of "health checks" and focus on TC members being liaisons to projects in an effort to help manage a project's health (if required). | 14:02 |
| asettle | We need to assign TC members to teams on the project team page. fungi offered to update the wiki, and asettle offered to update the ML on this change once the wiki was updated. | 14:02 |
| asettle | For everyone's memory to be jogged... | 14:02 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-train-ptg | 14:02 |
| asettle | Line 62 were our action items assigned from the PTG | 14:02 |
| fungi | yep, was mostly waiting for the recap to make sure before forging ahead on that task | 14:02 |
| * asettle nods | 14:02 | |
| asettle | In summary: we're moving away from the rigidity of the "health checks" for each project, and going to focus on "liaising" with different teams | 14:03 |
| TheJulia | Seems reasonable | 14:03 |
| fungi | didn't we also discuss moving the roster of liaisons out of the wiki? | 14:03 |
| asettle | The suggestion was that each TC member is assigned a group of projects. Minimum effort required would be an introductory email, and the wiki to keep track of tehse assignments | 14:03 |
| mugsie | fungi: we did | 14:03 |
| asettle | fungi, yes but in favor of ^^ | 14:03 |
| asettle | The SIGs are to be included in the team health checks | 14:03 |
| evrardjp | fungi: we did indeed | 14:04 |
| fungi | just making sure | 14:04 |
| asettle | Governance docs to be updated - mnaser (but this to be done after we've announced and formalised) | 14:04 |
| mugsie | I have a patch somewhere I wrote on the plane for that, will get ti uploaded. | 14:04 |
| asettle | Thanks mugsie | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | it looks like we need an action item to move that list of liaisons | 14:04 |
| gmann | hope liaisons things work which was not so successful till now for example- horizontal projects like QA | 14:04 |
| mugsie | the issue I had was getting the info attached to sigs, as they are not defined in our repo, but i can start with projects to begin with | 14:04 |
| asettle | mugsie, that would be helpful | 14:05 |
| asettle | Do we want to assign action items in this meeting or continue to ref the etherpad? | 14:05 |
| fungi | right, aiui, the wiki article will go to just being at most a few brief sentences and a breadcrumb trail leading to the liaisons info on the governance site | 14:05 |
| mugsie | fungi: ++ | 14:05 |
| * asettle nods | 14:05 | |
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| mugsie | asettle: I think in the etherpad is best (to keep it consistant) | 14:05 |
| asettle | Does anyone have any concerns about being "assigned" projects to introduce yourself and informally liase with? | 14:05 |
| asettle | mugsie, cool sounds good to me | 14:05 |
| mnaser | i vote for setting up action items during this | 14:05 |
| fungi | no concerns here | 14:06 |
| asettle | mnaser, you're the boss | 14:06 |
| asettle | #action fungi to update wiki | 14:06 |
| gmann | yeah action item are more useful and clear | 14:06 |
| asettle | #action asettle to update community via openstack-discuss | 14:06 |
| mnaser | it's just easier to consume for all of us afterwards (or at least i think :]) | 14:06 |
| fungi | from a standpoint of simplicity of implementation, liaisons can presumably be added to the projects.yaml and then rendered from that | 14:06 |
| mugsie | fungi: that was my plan | 14:06 |
| asettle | #action mugsie to update his patch | 14:07 |
| fungi | awesome | 14:07 |
| asettle | I like that idea, fungi | 14:07 |
| mugsie | I think thats what i wrote, but it is on my open source laptop :) | 14:07 |
| fungi | wasn't my idea, i don't think. or if it was it came up diring the ptg anyway | 14:07 |
| asettle | Who wants to/has time to randomly assign individuals to projects in the projects.yaml file? | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | mugsie : are you updating tools/assign_liaisons.py or are we dropping that? | 14:07 |
| mugsie | dhellmann: I had not considered that | 14:07 |
| mugsie | i seems like a godo thing to update | 14:08 |
| mugsie | good* | 14:08 |
| fungi | i wonder if it needs much/any updating | 14:08 |
| mnaser | it probably just needs to update and do yaml changes to projects.yaml | 14:08 |
| fungi | i suppose it could be improved to generate a patch to the projects.yaml with randomly-assigned liaisons | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | well, it spits out wiki formatted text today to be pasted into the wiki. it doesn't modify projects.yaml | 14:08 |
| mugsie | just to write out the info in the yaml file possibly? But thats a CR issue for later :) | 14:08 |
| mnaser | i can pick that up. | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | probably not a top priority, either way | 14:08 |
| asettle | #action mnaser to update yaml file with liaisons | 14:08 |
| asettle | Brilliant okay | 14:09 |
| asettle | ANy further questions or actions for this topic? | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | I think that last action isn't right. | 14:09 |
| asettle | Oh, there's a lot going on here | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | mnaser said he would update the tool, but mugsie is already updating the yaml | 14:09 |
| asettle | Ah my bad | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 14:09 |
| asettle | How does one erase an action? | 14:09 |
| fungi | you can #undo an #action | 14:09 |
| asettle | OH neat | 14:09 |
| fungi | just #undo on a line by itself | 14:09 |
| asettle | #undo #action mnaser to update yaml file with liaisons | 14:10 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action mnaser to update yaml file with liaisons | 14:10 |
| asettle | #action mugsie update yaml file with liaisons | 14:10 |
| asettle | #action mnaser to update the tool | 14:10 |
| asettle | Okay, sorry folks | 14:10 |
| fungi | i think it ignores everything after the #undo regardless, but that works ;) | 14:10 |
| fungi | just undoes whatever the last command was | 14:10 |
| asettle | Oh | 14:10 |
| asettle | Well now it's definitely undo | 14:10 |
| asettle | undone* | 14:10 |
| asettle | So, win win | 14:11 |
| asettle | Right! | 14:11 |
| asettle | Anything else? | 14:11 |
| asettle | No rest for the wicked here people | 14:11 |
| fungi | keep it movin' | 14:11 |
| asettle | #topic Evolution of the help-most-needed list | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Evolution of the help-most-needed list (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:11 | |
| asettle | this was discussed and decided to become an uncapped list, adding docs surrounding annual re-submission for items. We will go through the action items on this list (line 84 of the etherpad). Business cases requiring updates. | 14:11 |
| zaneb | #link https://review.opendev.org/657447 | 14:12 |
| asettle | gmann, provided an update the other day, thanks gmann | 14:12 |
| asettle | zaneb, be doing a thang | 14:12 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006890.html | 14:12 |
| asettle | Look at us | 14:12 |
| zaneb | review above is to change the name and format | 14:12 |
| asettle | ttx, update on the survey changes? | 14:12 |
| lbragstad | there are a couple of reviews left that are looking for reviews | 14:12 |
| asettle | evrardjp, ping for this discussion | 14:12 |
| zaneb | evrardjp and I had a discussion yesterday on how to move forward | 14:12 |
| lbragstad | s/reviews/patches/ | 14:12 |
| asettle | zaneb, TL;DR please for the purpose of the meeting :) | 14:13 |
| gmann | zaneb: +1 thanks for that. | 14:13 |
| zaneb | his suggestion was to copy the existing ones into a 2018 directory | 14:13 |
| gmann | i think we should keep old list till we fill items in new structure. | 14:13 |
| ttx | err | 14:13 |
| zaneb | also we have an etherpad to start working on massaging them into the new format | 14:13 |
| gmann | zaneb: and with same url right ? | 14:13 |
| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2019-upstream-investment-opportunities-refactor | 14:13 |
| asettle | Individuals have stepped up to refactor. Anything require volunteers still, zaneb ? | 14:14 |
| mugsie | we should - myself and wendar have already talked to Oregan State University about this, and I would prefer not to delete the content as we are talking to them | 14:14 |
| zaneb | gmann: no. only the 2019 stuff will be linked directly from the page (until next year) | 14:14 |
| ttx | asettle: which survey changes ? | 14:14 |
| asettle | ttx, action item on the etherpad for this topic on line 86: Suggest adding questions in user survey (ttx) | 14:14 |
| gmann | ok, but till we fill new items, old link will keep pointing to old list ? | 14:14 |
| ttx | We discussed adding TC questions and iirc came up with a shortlist | 14:14 |
| zaneb | yeah, also we don't plan to merge that review until we have content to go up | 14:15 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: did you drive that TC questions in survey effort? | 14:15 |
| asettle | ttx, anything further on that one? | 14:15 |
| ttx | ISTR you did | 14:15 |
| zaneb | still need volunteers to rework the existing text from that etherpad into investment opportunities instead of begging for help :) | 14:15 |
| ttx | (I did suggest it, they said of course, and we did come up with questions) | 14:15 |
| mugsie | I think "what projects do you contribute to" and a "what is stopping you contributing" were two (just a lot better worded) | 14:15 |
| fungi | that sounds right | 14:16 |
| lbragstad | zaneb so - expanding the value section, right? | 14:16 |
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| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-user-survey-2019 | 14:16 |
| fungi | aha | 14:16 |
| asettle | ttx, gracias | 14:16 |
| fungi | so are those in a state we can get them in front of osf staff maintaining the survey? | 14:16 |
| ttx | not taking any credit for teh questions as someone else [tm] drove that :) | 14:17 |
| asettle | zaneb, we probably need someone who is more business minded than our techy selves for that. That was half the problem in the first place. | 14:17 |
| zaneb | lbragstad: more just putting it front and centre. there's a template: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657447/3/reference/upstream-investment-opportunities/template | 14:17 |
| AlanClark | zaneb - if you point me to the etherpad with some simple instructions and timeframe (deadline) I'm happy to help with the text | 14:17 |
| evrardjp | AlanClark: good to hear :) | 14:17 |
| fungi | woo, a great volunteer. thanks AlanClark! | 14:17 |
| zaneb | AlanClark: thanks! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2019-upstream-investment-opportunities-refactor | 14:17 |
| asettle | #action AlanClark to help update investment opportunities document in etherpad. | 14:17 |
| lbragstad | thanks AlanClark | 14:18 |
| asettle | #action zaneb to liaise with AlanClark and provide appropriate deadline | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes, the question was added to the survey | 14:18 |
| gmann | AlanClark: thanks. really very helpful | 14:18 |
| asettle | Okay, anything further on this item? | 14:18 |
| asettle | lbragstad, zaneb evrardjp ? | 14:18 |
| zaneb | nope | 14:18 |
| * lbragstad doesn't have anything | 14:18 | |
| asettle | Smashing | 14:18 |
| lbragstad | i like how this is shaping up | 14:18 |
| asettle | ONWARDS | 14:18 |
| evrardjp | nope | 14:18 |
| gmann | nothing from me | 14:18 |
| asettle | #topic Goal selection is changing | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Goal selection is changing (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:18 | |
| asettle | The way goals are being selected for the upcoming release will change. For Train, we will work on socialising the idea of proposing goals that are OpenStack-wide, but not tech-heavy. The new goal selection process splits the goals into "goal" and "implementation". Further details at the meeting. See line 101 of the etherpad for action items. | 14:19 |
| mugsie | I have not moved on this yet - I need to transcribe my notes into a patch | 14:19 |
| asettle | Thank you mugsie | 14:19 |
| asettle | For those who were not in the room, any questions on why/what is happening here before we dive into action items? | 14:19 |
| asettle | Specifically looking at jroll and TheJulia | 14:20 |
| asettle | and gmann | 14:20 |
| gmann | not much idea on details. but waiting for mugsie patch to get into details and discussion | 14:20 |
| asettle | Good plan, stan | 14:20 |
| fungi | what was the sequence we came up with for approving these? | 14:20 |
| asettle | mugsie, do you have an estimation on when you'd be able to update? | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | I don't remember why we said new goals would not be "tech heavy" can someone remind me of that? | 14:21 |
| asettle | dhellmann, oh that was me | 14:21 |
| * zaneb doesn't remember that either | 14:21 | |
| TheJulia | asettle: Nothing from my end, the notes made sense to me | 14:21 |
| jroll | I don't see the problem we're solving written on the etherpad, so it's hard to understand what we're trying to accomplish by changing the process | 14:21 |
| asettle | Socialising goals so that individuals realise ANYONE can propose a goal (AKA PDF goal)_ | 14:21 |
| zaneb | also Train is like fully underway... | 14:21 |
| asettle | It was about socialisation of the goal process | 14:21 |
| asettle | I wrote it badly in the agenda, sorry. I was in a rush | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | ah, so proposals do not need to have all of the implementation details? | 14:22 |
| mugsie | zaneb: I thought this was for post train? | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | that bit does seem familiar, as a way to have goal ideas collected earlier | 14:22 |
| lbragstad | we received feedback from people saying they were surprised that the goal wasn't super focused on writing code | 14:22 |
| mugsie | dhellmann: yeah, for the first stage (thats what I have in my notes anyway) | 14:22 |
| zaneb | mugsie: that would make more sense | 14:22 |
| zaneb | :) | 14:22 |
| asettle | dhellmann, of sorts, yes. And also that a goal can *be* anything, as long as it applies across the whole community | 14:22 |
| fungi | i'm assuming the plan is still not to approve the goal part before there's any implementation written (even if we approve it assuming we'll discover that the implementation needs further refinement on the ground) | 14:22 |
| asettle | lbragstad, yes thank you | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | asettle : ok, thanks for clarifying | 14:22 |
| mugsie | fungi: yeah, thats what I understood | 14:22 |
| asettle | #action asettle to clarify "tech-heavy" in the agenda. | 14:23 |
| fungi | okay, seems i remembered correctly then | 14:23 |
| fungi | the etherpad was vague on the process change | 14:23 |
| asettle | jroll - it was a retrospective, less of a problem. We talked about the fact we had very limited goal proposals, and we had to push really hard for those. | 14:23 |
| TheJulia | It seems like themes versus highly specific things | 14:23 |
| asettle | This was a discussion around the process, and how we could improve it. | 14:23 |
| gmann | it will be good we can write details on etherpad and then take those on gerrit ? | 14:23 |
| asettle | I like that idea, gmann - mugsie would this be okay? | 14:24 |
| fungi | jroll: if i haven't completely imagined it, the idea was this would allow us to apply different sorts of review rules to the goal text vs the implementation plan | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | it would be good for someone to prune the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals etherpad, too, since we've done some of those things | 14:24 |
| gmann | also i remember from joint leadership meeting discussion that AlanClark or someone from BoD mentioned about helping on those goal ideas ? how we can accommodate that process? | 14:24 |
| asettle | Any takers? | 14:24 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals | 14:24 |
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| lbragstad | o/ | 14:25 |
| zaneb | gmann: there was a thread on the foundation list about that | 14:25 |
| lbragstad | i can take a stab at it | 14:25 |
| asettle | #action lbragstad to prune the community-goals etherpad | 14:25 |
| mugsie | I saw that the BoD were interested in suggesting some goals on the foundation list | 14:25 |
| gmann | zaneb: ohk, thanks will check | 14:25 |
| asettle | thank you | 14:25 |
| jroll | fungi: thanks, that makes some amount of sense. seems like a lot of work for a review rules optimization, but I guess folks seem eager to do it so /shrug | 14:25 |
| fungi | yeah, goal suggestions welcome from everyone in the community, including board members ;) | 14:25 |
| asettle | Aye | 14:26 |
| asettle | Right - any further action items here or questions? | 14:26 |
| ttx | nope | 14:26 |
| fungi | jroll: the hope is that it reduces the actual work of iterating on goal implementation plans | 14:26 |
| AlanClark | gmann - I am interested in having the board participate on the goal ideas. | 14:26 |
| jroll | okay | 14:26 |
| fungi | i'm good | 14:26 |
| jroll | thanks fungi | 14:26 |
| gmann | AlanClark: +1. | 14:27 |
| asettle | AlanClark, that's great to hear. Let's talk about that after this meeting and ensure the board is aware of how the ycan do that. The process is open to them now. | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation-board/2019-May/000501.html foundation-board thread on proposing themese | 14:27 |
| asettle | Okay, let's skidads - we're only halfway through | 14:27 |
| asettle | #link https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6wrBG9xOvMrVsp3i/giphy.gif | 14:27 |
| asettle | #topic Pop-up teams | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pop-up teams (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:28 | |
| asettle | Officially recognised and implemented into governance thanks to ttx. | 14:28 |
| ttx | well not approved yet | 14:28 |
| asettle | Everyone please review | 14:28 |
| asettle | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661356/ | 14:28 |
| asettle | And I'm missing the link handy to the other one, sorry ttx | 14:28 |
| ttx | just posted a fix for your suggestions asettle | 14:28 |
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| asettle | ttx, yes I saw :) thanks for doin that. I'll review again shortly. | 14:28 |
| ttx | the other one is linked from the first one | 14:28 |
| asettle | Neat. Any questions on the pop-up teams? | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | #link adding image encryption as a popup team https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661983/2 | 14:29 |
| asettle | Thanks for those patches, ttx | 14:29 |
| asettle | Gracias, dhellmann | 14:29 |
| asettle | #link https://media.giphy.com/media/90UFDHjEA9RwQ/giphy.gif | 14:29 |
| evrardjp | haha | 14:30 |
| asettle | #topic SIG governance | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SIG governance (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:30 | |
| asettle | ricolin ? | 14:30 |
| asettle | ricolin and I are in the process of defining what SIG governance looks like. 137 in the etherpad for action items | 14:30 |
| asettle | Clarify that it's okay to disband/part of life cycle + evaluating SIGs over time (ricolin) | 14:31 |
| asettle | Liaisons for SIGs from the TC (ricolin, asettle) | 14:31 |
| asettle | Reach out to OSF/UC to increase content/question in user survey (ricolin, asettle) | 14:31 |
| ricolin | The upgrade sig is gone, and doc SIG might be on the way | 14:31 |
| ricolin | asettle, give me a sec | 14:31 |
| asettle | ricolin, np | 14:31 |
| ricolin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/explain-team-formate-differentiate | 14:32 |
| ricolin | So I'm wondering if this looks like right format for that action | 14:32 |
| asettle | I still need to review more (I'm yellow) | 14:32 |
| asettle | #action asettle to review ricolin's etherpad for SIG items | 14:33 |
| ricolin | I try to separate those as Long/short term Mission oriented or Require deliverable service | 14:33 |
| ricolin | to explain goals, popup, SIG and project | 14:33 |
| fungi | i'm interested in having a discussion after the meeting on where things like the technical election officials and vulnerability management team fall into the growing taxonomy of group structures we have | 14:34 |
| ricolin | If that sounds like right, I can push it up for review | 14:34 |
| fungi | (doesn't have to be immediately after the meeting, just when folks who are also interested in this topic have time) | 14:34 |
| asettle | ricolin, maybe tc-members should review the etherpad first | 14:34 |
| ttx | also I wanted to list all of out social constructs on a single diagram, like what the Kubernetes community does to explain SIGs, committees and workgroups they have | 14:35 |
| asettle | #action tc-members to review goal, popup, and SIG project etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/explain-team-formate-differentiate | 14:35 |
| asettle | ttx, that's a good suggestion | 14:35 |
| ttx | I found that useful | 14:35 |
| asettle | Could you share a link, ttx ? | 14:35 |
| ricolin | ttx +1 | 14:35 |
| ttx | was on slides... let me see | 14:35 |
| asettle | Thank you ttx | 14:35 |
| ricolin | ttx I think that's what's short from my etherpad docs | 14:36 |
| asettle | Anything further ricolin ? Sorry to cut short, but we need to move fast. Lots to cover :) | 14:36 |
| asettle | #link https://media.giphy.com/media/EhIrNwoxFXt84/giphy.gif | 14:36 |
| ttx | will link if I find it | 14:36 |
| ricolin | asettle, fine for now | 14:36 |
| asettle | Thank you both :) | 14:36 |
| asettle | #topic Python 3 check in | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python 3 check in (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:36 | |
| asettle | mugsie, this was on your plate again. Also, discussion about checking in with Swift and seeing where they were at | 14:37 |
| asettle | See lines 146 of the etherpad for action items | 14:37 |
| mugsie | yes - the -train jobs seem to have been proposed across the projects | 14:37 |
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| mugsie | I need to sync with dhellmann or release-team to find the code for the proposal bot :) | 14:38 |
| * ttx screencaps | 14:38 | |
| zaneb | btw this action is captured in the Train goal | 14:38 |
| zaneb | #link https://review.opendev.org/657908 | 14:38 |
| zaneb | which we have a champion for and is ready to approve | 14:39 |
| asettle | Fabulous | 14:39 |
| asettle | Swift? | 14:39 |
| mugsie | we had it marked as the liason | 14:39 |
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| asettle | #action mugsie to sync with dhellmann or release-team to find the code for the proposal bot | 14:39 |
| asettle | mugsie, we sure did | 14:39 |
| ttx | #link https://imgur.com/a/ke3t6eC | 14:39 |
| asettle | tc-members - who was the swift liaison? | 14:39 |
| mnaser | let me grab that | 14:39 |
| zaneb | hmm, I might be one of them :) | 14:40 |
| asettle | ttx, excellent | 14:40 |
| asettle | mnaser, okay thank you | 14:40 |
| asettle | #action mnaser to sync up with swift team on python3 migration update | 14:40 |
| mnaser | (the list was not updated due to discussed earlier, but cdent and zaneb) | 14:40 |
| * asettle nods okay | 14:40 | |
| asettle | zaneb, sync up with mnaser? | 14:40 |
| ricolin | ttx thx | 14:40 |
| zaneb | can do | 14:40 |
| mnaser | thanks zaneb. | 14:40 |
| asettle | We are over halfway team! | 14:40 |
| asettle | #link https://media.giphy.com/media/ujvW8qiDfbCJRnIHPq/giphy.gif | 14:40 |
| asettle | #topic Leaderless projects | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Leaderless projects (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:41 | |
| asettle | Summary: it's a concern | 14:41 |
| asettle | Action items were on line 185 of the etherpad. Suggestions include reworking the documentation around the current role of the PTL and providing tips on how to "be a better PTL" and offering shadowing and mentoring for potential candidates. This all needs to be socialised further. | 14:41 |
| fungi | we've had one recently go missing after being assigned outside normal electoral process, right? | 14:41 |
| asettle | We had a number of interested parties on this item. Including jungleboyj , timburke_ , me apparently, ttx and ricolin | 14:41 |
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| asettle | fungi, we have indeed | 14:42 |
| zaneb | fungi: was this Zaqar? | 14:42 |
| ttx | I was interested in helping better document PTL expectations | 14:42 |
| asettle | Ben Nemec also shared his PTL tips and tricks | 14:42 |
| TheJulia | I think this also lines up with kind of preventing burnout in the community. PTL is very much a role that essentially puts people on a train to burnout | 14:42 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-ptl-tips-and-tricks | 14:42 |
| ttx | since the current content in the projectteam guide is a bit overwhelming | 14:42 |
| fungi | zaneb: yes, not sure the action items we established for this would necessarily have solved that case | 14:43 |
| asettle | ttx, that it is | 14:43 |
| ttx | with an eye toward encouraging delegation | 14:43 |
| gmann | is this to improve the existing doc or new doc/process ?- https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ptl.html | 14:43 |
| asettle | #link https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ptl.html | 14:43 |
| ttx | I'd improve existing content | 14:43 |
| asettle | Improve | 14:43 |
| ricolin | ttx we definitely need to update the guideline, so +1 | 14:43 |
| gmann | ok | 14:43 |
| asettle | We want to encourage people to take on the role, but we need to make sure it isn't too much for people | 14:43 |
| asettle | ttx, ricolin - let's sync up sometime and review the PTL section. Cool? | 14:43 |
| asettle | Anyone else want to volunteer to help? | 14:44 |
| ricolin | asettle, yes | 14:44 |
| gmann | i like to idea to circulate this doc to elected PTL(new or old) | 14:44 |
| zaneb | fungi: fwiw we found reviewers to approve the patch to get their gate working again | 14:44 |
| asettle | gmann, I believe this has been something we've been trying to do. Definitely was brought up that people didn't know it existed. | 14:44 |
| asettle | #action asettle ttx ricolin to sync up and review the PTL section of the project teams guide to improve the PTL experience | 14:44 |
| fungi | zaneb: thanks, that's a relief | 14:45 |
| asettle | gmann, we also talked about offering better peer mentorship | 14:45 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:45 |
| asettle | Groovy dudes | 14:45 |
| asettle | #link https://media.giphy.com/media/cdNSp4L5vCU7aQrYnV/giphy.gif | 14:45 |
| asettle | Anything else on this topic? | 14:45 |
| evrardjp | nothing | 14:46 |
| asettle | Coolio hoolio | 14:46 |
| asettle | SO CLOSE | 14:46 |
| asettle | #topic Kickstarting innovation in Openstack | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kickstarting innovation in Openstack (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:46 | |
| asettle | zaneb, proposed a zany (har har har) suggestion regarding a new multi-tenant cloud with ironic/neutron/optionally cinder/keytstone/octavia (vision will be completed with k8s on top of OpenStack). Suggestion was for new whitepaper written by zaneb and mnaser. | 14:46 |
| asettle | How's that going along, fellas? | 14:47 |
| zaneb | I am still working on this | 14:47 |
| asettle | Any updates to share with your fans? | 14:47 |
| zaneb | mostly talking to networking experts to make sure that we propose something that isn't actually insane | 14:47 |
| mugsie | #link http://replygif.net/i/1021.gif (for the pun) | 14:47 |
| mnaser | i have not sync'd up with zaneb on that but i've done some (personal) work on trying something like that | 14:47 |
| evrardjp | zaneb: that phrase doesn't work | 14:47 |
| zaneb | tl;dr networking is hard | 14:47 |
| asettle | mugsie, excuse you I clearly thought long and hard about that one | 14:47 |
| mugsie | zaneb: yes, yes it is | 14:47 |
| asettle | zaneb, mate preach | 14:48 |
| johnsom | lol, zaneb let me know if I can answer anything with Octavia | 14:48 |
| asettle | johnsom, dude do you have an octavia ping setup? | 14:48 |
| evrardjp | johnsom: I thought you wanted to answer everything with it? :p | 14:48 |
| asettle | So hilariously eerie when people just APPEAR | 14:48 |
| zaneb | it's been on the back burner, but I need to sink some proper time into it again | 14:48 |
| mugsie | asettle: yes, he does | 14:48 |
| asettle | #link https://media.giphy.com/media/PIYYhi1eoZHSE/giphy.gif | 14:49 |
| asettle | yahuh | 14:49 |
| asettle | Okay | 14:49 |
| johnsom | Many folks lurk watching over the TC. lol | 14:49 |
| evrardjp | thanks zaneb. That will be a very interesting read :D | 14:49 |
| asettle | zaneb, anythi ngelse? | 14:49 |
| zaneb | I imagine johnsom has his IRC client set up to ping him whenever anyone says "networking is hard" | 14:49 |
| asettle | johnsom, I hope they're all enjoying my gifs | 14:49 |
| ttx | johnsom: come for the TC, stay for the GIFs | 14:49 |
| evrardjp | zaneb: I hope it's not "octavia" as his ping | 14:49 |
| fungi | this seems a lot like a "constellation" (even though i know we basically stopped trying to artificially generate some) | 14:49 |
| asettle | That's cause my gif game strong! | 14:49 |
| * asettle flexes | 14:49 | |
| mugsie | fungi: a little bit, yeah | 14:49 |
| ricolin | lol | 14:49 |
| johnsom | ttx Totally accurate | 14:49 |
| asettle | Okay but seirously zaneb we goo? | 14:49 |
| ttx | so many GIFs... I feel younger already | 14:49 |
| asettle | good* | 14:50 |
| ricolin | the gif better be there ever since! | 14:50 |
| fungi | so many gifs it's like being back on compuserv | 14:50 |
| evrardjp | asettle: you now have "peer pressure" | 14:50 |
| asettle | evrardjp, mate I can HANDLE IT | 14:50 |
| evrardjp | roll for initiative! | 14:50 |
| zaneb | yes, let's move on because there's not much to report yet because I am lazy | 14:50 |
| asettle | Okay let's rock 'n' roll homies | 14:50 |
| asettle | #topic Deleting all the things! | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deleting all the things! (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:50 | |
| asettle | #link https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/14634311.jpg | 14:50 |
| asettle | ^^ obviously have to add | 14:50 |
| asettle | mugsie, or as I like to call you in my head, muggles - update us! | 14:51 |
| ttx | that guy looks a bit like mugsie indeed | 14:51 |
| asettle | See line 234 for action items | 14:51 |
| evrardjp | better with the fire meme | 14:51 |
| asettle | In summary: Should we be deleting things? Yes we should! (with caveats) | 14:51 |
| mugsie | I tried writing this up, but couldn't get something I liked, and it fell of the burner | 14:51 |
| mugsie | off* | 14:51 |
| ttx | mugsie: as long as you did not delete it... | 14:51 |
| asettle | I have noticed that a lot of the AIs here are mugsie - perhaps we could be sharing the load here? | 14:51 |
| evrardjp | ttx: haha. | 14:52 |
| zaneb | mugsie: that sounds messy | 14:52 |
| asettle | Does anyone else feel like they could pick up the action item for deleting unmaintained things? | 14:52 |
| mugsie | it was. there was words all over the office | 14:52 |
| asettle | Don't everyone offer at once hey | 14:52 |
| mugsie | its ok, it was my hobby horse | 14:53 |
| asettle | Alright, ping if you need assistance mugsie | 14:53 |
| evrardjp | I thought we didn't really have to write that up. "It's okay to delete stuff" | 14:53 |
| mnaser | i think the action is probably to socialize deleting things, rather than doing it ourselves D: | 14:53 |
| asettle | #link https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IF4QM5XYI6tF3G/giphy.gif | 14:53 |
| evrardjp | mnaser: probably | 14:53 |
| mugsie | we need to make it clearer, and fix the tags to allow it be better | 14:53 |
| asettle | Who wants to write that email? | 14:53 |
| fungi | evrardjp: more about encouraging folks to delete things which are an unnecessary maintenance burden | 14:53 |
| evrardjp | mugsie: oh that was the action item? Change the tags? | 14:53 |
| evrardjp | fungi: that's what I meant, sorry for my poor english again | 14:54 |
| asettle | GUYS 5 MINUTES | 14:54 |
| asettle | TALK AFTER | 14:54 |
| asettle | MUGSIE FINE | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | asettle is in shouting mode. :) | 14:54 |
| evrardjp | well if it's not to talk about this, couldn't this be an email? | 14:54 |
| evrardjp | :p | 14:54 |
| mugsie | evrardjp: yes | 14:54 |
| mugsie | :P | 14:54 |
| evrardjp | ok let's move on | 14:54 |
| asettle | #topic Forum session planning | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum session planning (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:55 | |
| asettle | In summary - weeeeee kinda forgot a few things | 14:55 |
| asettle | #link #topic Forum session planning | 14:55 |
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| asettle | this one was done rather hastily and we missed a few things (such as a goals session). See action items on line 243 of the PTG etherpad | 14:55 |
| ttx | shoudl we plan to regroup by train-2 milestone? | 14:55 |
| asettle | ttx, for forum session planning? | 14:55 |
| ttx | yes | 14:55 |
| asettle | That seems reasonable | 14:55 |
| asettle | Any objections? | 14:56 |
| evrardjp | sounds good | 14:56 |
| ttx | sounds like te right moment to start talking about it | 14:56 |
| zaneb | +1 | 14:56 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:56 |
| zaneb | right now is a bit early | 14:56 |
| ttx | I mean le right moment | 14:56 |
| fungi | makes sense, yes | 14:56 |
| asettle | #action tc-members to regroup by train-2 milestone for Shanghai forum session planning | 14:56 |
| asettle | Fab | 14:56 |
| ttx | damn now we went too fast | 14:56 |
| asettle | ONWARDS | 14:56 |
| asettle | #topic Socialising successbot and thanksbot. | 14:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Socialising successbot and thanksbot. (Meeting topic: tc)" | 14:56 | |
| asettle | In summary: do it. Let's do it | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | we should make sure someone actually schedules that regrouping | 14:56 |
| asettle | Get do it | 14:56 |
| asettle | YEAH YEAH | 14:56 |
| evrardjp | #thanks asettle for reviving thanksbot | 14:57 |
| openstackstatus | evrardjp: Added your thanks to Thanks page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Thanks) | 14:57 |
| ttx | #success asettle managed to fit all the TC agenda in one hour | 14:57 |
| openstackstatus | ttx: Added success to Success page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Successes) | 14:57 |
| asettle | YES | 14:57 |
| asettle | \o/ | 14:57 |
| asettle | dhellmann, good call. You're up! | 14:57 |
| evrardjp | ttx: I like your style | 14:57 |
| zaneb | #thanks asettle for running this epic marathon meeting and wrapping it up on time | 14:57 |
| openstackstatus | zaneb: Added your thanks to Thanks page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Thanks) | 14:57 |
| asettle | Aw thanks fronds <3 | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | asettle : I won't be there, so it should be someone else :-/ | 14:57 |
| asettle | Oh yeah | 14:57 |
| asettle | ttx, ? | 14:57 |
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| ttx | ...sure | 14:57 |
| ricolin | #thanks asettle for the GIFs | 14:58 |
| asettle | #action ttx to schedule said milestone 2 forum meeting with tc-members | 14:58 |
| openstackstatus | ricolin: Added your thanks to Thanks page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Thanks) | 14:58 |
| asettle | omg | 14:58 |
| ttx | not sure where to schedule it tho | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | could be the chair, too, it's just to make sure we schedule the discussion | 14:58 |
| asettle | THANKS EVERYONE | 14:58 |
| lbragstad | thanks all | 14:58 |
| fungi | also if someone is interested in extending it further, adding a #til or #tip feature should be quite simple (idea stolen from teh debian community which has a "til" irc channel for such things) | 14:58 |
| asettle | You have 2 minutes to say what you need to say | 14:58 |
| mnaser | i can get an action item to schedule something by m-2 | 14:58 |
| jroll | thanks asettle, I'm impressed with the on topicness of this meeting | 14:59 |
| TheJulia | thanks! | 14:59 |
| * jroll votes asettle to host all meetings going forward | 14:59 | |
| evrardjp | fungi: I like this | 14:59 |
| ttx | asettle: ideally we'd resurface it at the August TC meeting | 14:59 |
| mugsie | asettle: http://replygif.net/i/595.gif | 14:59 |
| fungi | mnaser: i think ttx akready got actioned | 14:59 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I second the motion | 14:59 |
| asettle | I think mnaser might feel a bit pushed aside, hey jroll ? :P | 14:59 |
| ttx | any chance you can write that done wherever you take notes for agendas? | 14:59 |
| asettle | mugsie, that is excellent | 14:59 |
| mnaser | oh okay, seems fair | 14:59 |
| jroll | well then, I vote for asettle to give out meeting hosting lessons :P | 14:59 |
| asettle | ttx, hm? | 14:59 |
| asettle | jroll, happy to! | 14:59 |
| ttx | mnaser, asettle: we need to make sure it's added to the August TC meeting agenda | 15:00 |
| fungi | it's all about cracking the whip | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | asettle: sounds you just enrolled for that | 15:00 |
| asettle | It's all about gif game, needing to pee and still drinking your tea | 15:00 |
| asettle | A fine balance, if you will | 15:00 |
| ttx | asettle, mnaser: (the forum prep topic) | 15:00 |
| asettle | #action asettle and mnaser to sort August TC meeting agennda | 15:00 |
| mnaser | ttx: i think we'll use the last agenda as basis so we can carry that forward | 15:00 |
| asettle | AND THAT'S AL LWE HAVE TIME FOR FOLKS | 15:00 |
| asettle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Technical Committee office hours: Tuesdays at 09:00 UTC, Wednesdays at 01:00 UTC, and Thursdays at 15:00 UTC | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 15:00:36 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| gmann | thanks all and asettle for chair and covering all topic. excellent job! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2019/tc.2019-06-06-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2019/tc.2019-06-06-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2019/tc.2019-06-06-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| asettle | thanks gmann :) | 15:00 |
| * ttx getting good at passing that hot potato | 15:00 | |
| fungi | thanks asettle! | 15:00 |
| ricolin | thx asettle ! | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | well done, asettle, thanks | 15:00 |
| fungi | and now it's office hour | 15:00 |
| asettle | Thanks team o/ | 15:00 |
| * ttx biobreaks | 15:01 | |
| ricolin | fungi, haha | 15:01 |
| asettle | Ah yes, office hour. Please discuss anything I didn't let you discuss | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | did we ever settle the question of when the tc and ptl elections will be at the end of this cycle? | 15:01 |
| fungi | (also security sig meeting time in #openstack-meeting) | 15:01 |
| fungi | dhellmann: there is a change up for review with that plan | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | ok, cool | 15:01 |
| fungi | the idea was to have them run concurrently this tmie | 15:01 |
| fungi | dhellmann: https://review.opendev.org/661673 | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | great, thanks, fungi | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | Did we ever get cycle goals for Train? | 15:02 |
| clarkb | zaneb: re simplifying cloud networking I've long thought that leaning heavily on ipv6 to ensure every instance is routed, use firewalls for access control (for examples of this ovh actually does this but with ipv4), then terminate ipv4 with eg octavia would go such a long way. However for whatever reason people can't give up their 30 year old ipv4 based security models for networking even when they say | 15:03 |
| clarkb | shift left and use k8s | 15:03 |
| asettle | smcginnis, PDF support for project docs and IPv6 support | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. I didn't see those had merged. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | Has there also been communication about that to let the rest of the world know? :) | 15:03 |
| asettle | smcginnis, PDF - yesssss? | 15:04 |
| * asettle wavers | 15:04 | |
| asettle | Good point | 15:04 |
| asettle | I have no idea | 15:04 |
| asettle | mnaser, ? | 15:04 |
| fungi | clarkb: it's stockholm syndrome, folks are now unable to imagine a world without nat | 15:04 |
| gmann | smcginnis: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/train/index.html | 15:04 |
| mugsie | clarkb: yes - I cannot wait for that to be the new reality | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | Since I think I'm still kinda sorta paying attention and I wasn't sure, I'm betting most folks don't know that there's something expected of them at this point. | 15:04 |
| mnaser | they merged, but they were not communicated. i can either do that or perhaps if lbragstad & evrardjp want to reach out about that | 15:04 |
| clarkb | anyways if we want to talk innovation in openstack that to me is one way to do it rather than following everyone elses 30 year old broken model | 15:05 |
| gmann | should we wait till this ? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657908/ | 15:05 |
| gmann | this is going to be one of the goal, it will be good people know that and pay attention on review | 15:05 |
| fungi | clarkb: but how will i ever secure my servers if people know their ip addresses?!? ;) | 15:07 |
| fungi | (also, how can i secure my house when my street address is public record?) | 15:07 |
| mnaser | gmann: that's fair, let me see how's that going to land. | 15:09 |
| * mnaser is in midst of using two machines right now | 15:09 | |
| johnsom | asettle Did I miss an e-mail about what we need to change for the PDF docs? Is that still WIP? | 15:09 |
| asettle | johnsom, the goal has been merged, but the process is still WIP. Check it here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657988/ | 15:11 |
| asettle | I need to talk to Stephen Finucane about this, but last time dhellmann and I checked this worked. | 15:11 |
| mnaser | ls | 15:11 |
| mnaser | oops | 15:11 |
| asettle | We'll need to merge this, and solidify what each project needs to do. | 15:11 |
| asettle | Hopefully I'll be able to do this in the coming weeks | 15:11 |
| johnsom | asettle Yeah, ok, so still WIP | 15:11 |
| asettle | Sound right, dhellmann ? | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | yeah, after that lands project teams will want to check a doc job log to ensure it's working right for their repo (it shouldn't fail the job, but may fail to build PDFs) | 15:12 |
| johnsom | asettle For the TC, this has been one of my concerns about the goals. It's past MS1 and we don't have the details all in place yet... | 15:12 |
| asettle | johnsom, that's fair. This one is partly on me, I should have been more on top of it - apologies. I've pinged Stephen and we'll work something out in the coming weeks. | 15:13 |
| asettle | Apologies. | 15:14 |
| mnaser | yes, this is not good and it was really hard to get this done. we're looking to get htis earlier. | 15:14 |
| mnaser | fungi, jroll, TheJulia, lbragstad: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657908/2 is ready to merge but you have not voted yet, do you have any _hardpressing_ things to block it from merging? | 15:14 |
| johnsom | asettle It's just a trend that has been happening with the goals. The uWSGI goal burned our team and required reverts/rework due to the goal chaining mid-cycle. </rant> | 15:15 |
| mnaser | it can technically go in but i'd like to at least hear some thoughts | 15:15 |
| * lbragstad checks | 15:15 | |
| lbragstad | i'll read through it | 15:15 |
| asettle | johnsom, yeah of course. So that's a problem for us too, as community goals are community proposed and championed. Frustrating indeed. Hoping our new goal process will help mitigate that and ensure that while we're still getting great ideas, we're also getting better implementation details down first | 15:15 |
| asettle | Socialising what community goals are and how they are managed will also play an important part in mitigating frustrations. | 15:16 |
| mnaser | johnsom: it's also hard on our side. it needed a lot of shopping to find a goal, get someone to write it, shop it around, discuss it through. it's been needing a lot of herding to get done | 15:16 |
| mnaser | so the process is not easy, but that doesn't justify the delays. | 15:16 |
| johnsom | Yeah. As I have mentioned in the sessions, I hope we have a "are we ready" gate for goals before approval. Bonus points for PoC patches. | 15:17 |
| asettle | Feedback noted, thanks johnsom :) | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Retire castellan-ui https://review.opendev.org/662077 | 15:28 |
| lbragstad | mnaser voted | 15:28 |
| lbragstad | asettle dhellmann for pruning https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals am I only pruning things that have been *completed*? | 15:29 |
| asettle | lbragstad, that is my understanding, yes | 15:29 |
| lbragstad | or things that have been *completed* as well as things that we decided aren't a good fit for community goals? | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | I would vote for the latter. | 15:31 |
| lbragstad | ok - removing things that have already been crossed off/accepted as community goals cuts the list down from 35 to 24 entries | 15:35 |
| lbragstad | but there are still entries that are have gone back and forth on if they are a good fit for community goals (we'll need to figure out if we want to keep them on this list of not) | 15:36 |
| jroll | mnaser: I'm +1 on it | 15:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Appointment of a new Vitrage PTL https://review.opendev.org/660563 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: linters: Fix missing retired-on dates https://review.opendev.org/661555 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: tools: add retired-on check https://review.opendev.org/661552 | 15:45 |
| mnaser | thanks, jroll | 15:45 |
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| fungi | thanks for keeping us honest, cmurphy! | 17:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | Are tc members cool with this change? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662808/ | 18:45 |
| fungi | asettle: july 8 is a monday according to my calendar | 18:46 |
| fungi | was it supposed to be thursday july 11? | 18:46 |
| fungi | or are we moving tc meetings to mondays? or was this a one-off scheduling exception to deal with a major holiday in the usa falling on the thursday 4 weeks from now? | 18:47 |
| fungi | (and sorry if i missed any discussion around the meeting schedule) | 18:48 |
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| mnaser | heh, i was just about to post what diablo_rojo mentioned | 19:01 |
| mnaser | tc-members: ^ please have a look at diablo_rojo message :) | 19:01 |
| jroll | seems reasonable | 19:02 |
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| mnaser | a small +1 would be appreciated | 19:14 |
| mnaser | and i'll vote on it afterwards | 19:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | mnaser, thanks :) | 19:15 |
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