| openstackgerrit | Guilherme Steinmuller Pimentel proposed openstack/governance master: Retire openstack-ansible unused roles https://review.openstack.org/653643 | 00:13 |
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| asettle | Morning o/ | 08:28 |
| ttx | asettle: Hi Alex! How is the weather in UK? | 08:32 |
| ttx | asettle: also... sorry but that one made me laugh: https://twitter.com/codepo8/status/1117796267852279808 | 08:32 |
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| asettle | ttx, hello! The weather is most delightful. Warm, sunny - unlike it's political positioning | 08:33 |
| asettle | How's France? | 08:34 |
| ttx | Pretty warm today | 08:34 |
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| asettle | We're heading to Brussels tonight to hang with evrardjp so it's going to be WONDERFUL over there too :D | 08:34 |
| asettle | I need a little European sun | 08:34 |
| asettle | Easter plans? | 08:34 |
| ttx | First two days not having to move in a truckload of wood to burn for the day | 08:34 |
| ttx | I'll be spending the weekend at a friends house | 08:35 |
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| asettle | ttx, that sounds quite pleasant :D other than the wood... | 11:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add PDF doc generation for project docs goal for Train https://review.openstack.org/647712 | 11:35 |
| asettle | Thanks for the nit, ttx ^^ | 11:35 |
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| dhellmann | asettle : I'm a bit worried about the "stretch goal" note still. I'm afraid if we say that's something we might want to do in the future, people are going to start trying to do it now but without any sort of plan. And it's completely unnecessary to split the sphinx project up in order to build multiple PDFs, so that would just result in a bunch of useless work. How about rephrasing that to just say something like "publishing multiple PDFs is | 12:58 |
| dhellmann | not part of this goal, and should be deferred until after this goal is completed" | 12:58 |
| asettle | Cool. Can do. | 13:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add PDF doc generation for project docs goal for Train https://review.openstack.org/647712 | 13:01 |
| dhellmann | trailing whitespace... | 13:02 |
| asettle | I really, really need this holiday. | 13:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add PDF doc generation for project docs goal for Train https://review.openstack.org/647712 | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 13:07 |
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| fungi | office hour once more, it seems | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 15:02 |
| ttx | I'd like to discuss board presentation, PTG agenda and PTG lunch presentation | 15:02 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 15:02 |
| ttx | PTG lunch presentation: we'll have 20min max | 15:02 |
| ttx | on Thursday lunch | 15:02 |
| ttx | I added it to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-train-ptg | 15:03 |
| ttx | Re: PTG agenda I pushed a strawman proposal based on suggestions, still missing a few leads | 15:04 |
| lbragstad | the goal retrospective section feels like it's going to overlap with the popup teams discussion, but i put my name down to lead it | 15:05 |
| ttx | Let's put them back to back then | 15:06 |
| lbragstad | wfm | 15:06 |
| mugsie | o/ (on cell phone) | 15:06 |
| * jroll is here, but not all here | 15:07 | |
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| ttx | Hmm, for board presentation we had an etherpad or something with topics to cover, not sure where though | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-joint-leadership-meeting | 15:09 |
| ttx | thx | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | the retrospective/preview format we used in berlin was received very well, so I think we should do that again | 15:10 |
| mnaser | I was going to prepare slides based on the template dhellmann built last time and share them. | 15:10 |
| ttx | cool, I'll probably stay off delivery to avoid juggling too many hats (and I have a couple of other segments during that Board meeting already) | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I had really good luck asking PTLs to send me "1 item" they wanted me to mention. No one limited themselves to 1, but I think I didn't have more than 3-4 from any one group. | 15:11 |
| zaneb | lol | 15:11 |
| mnaser | I’ve done the exercise of going over all the projects release notes actually | 15:11 |
| ttx | so... 2-4 | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | oh, nice | 15:11 |
| mnaser | So I have a long list of per project neat things I’ve found (partly working with osf for the stein release stuff) | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | well, I distilled it down to themes and then had something from each team in at least 1 theme | 15:12 |
| lbragstad | i imagine many of those items are similar to what projects put in their cycle highlights | 15:12 |
| ttx | the highlights work should, in theory, avoid most of the need to ask for things | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | that works for the past, but I was also trying to talk about what they anticipated doing over the next cycle | 15:12 |
| gmann | yeah, we can pickup from cycle highlights too | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | I did use the highlights for the past work | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | iirc | 15:13 |
| ttx | OK, so more like "early train goals" | 15:13 |
| lbragstad | that's nice | 15:13 |
| mnaser | If we merge the goals, I’d be happy to incorporate it too. | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we had 3 sections last time. past cycle accomplishments, tc work, next cycle planning | 15:13 |
| mnaser | (Extra plug to go and check out the goals for review :)) | 15:13 |
| ttx | I wonder if we should not have "early goals" as a thing that people submit once too :) | 15:14 |
| ttx | sort of reverse cycle-highlights | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | I promised them that I would be giving the caveat that these were plans, not promises. Committing something to a repo feels more official than that. But we could try it and see | 15:14 |
| ttx | ideally one would convert from being an early goal to a cycle highlight :) | 15:14 |
| ttx | fair | 15:14 |
| lbragstad | even if it's "theme-based", i can see the value in pre-emptively looking forward to something | 15:15 |
| ttx | people might hold on more if it's committed anywhere | 15:15 |
| lbragstad | (e.g., these projects are interested in security hardening) | 15:15 |
| mnaser | I think most of the board stuff is just PowerPoint-y updates to get them in sync of what’s going on here | 15:16 |
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| dhellmann | here's the presentation from berlin: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wcG7InY2A5y67dt5lC14CI1gQHGZ3db8-yshOu-STk8/edit | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis, TheJulia, ttx, and I think a couple of other folks helped put the different sections together | 15:17 |
| mnaser | I know most are busy, but if anyone wants to help volunteer making that presentation together / presenting together, please! | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | It might help to get one started with some section placeholders, then enlist a few folks to fill in the details. | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | That worked out well last time once we had the general outline of what we wanted to present. | 15:18 |
| gmann | +1 on that. | 15:18 |
| mnaser | Fair enough. I will try to get something up for that. | 15:19 |
| mnaser | I will also try to build a straw man agenda for PTG time. Is everyone mostly available on Saturday? | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | I should be. It looks like Ironic has that day, so I may need to come and go, depending on the schedule there. | 15:21 |
| gmann | I am available as of now (though flight still not booked). | 15:21 |
| lbragstad | keystone is planning on meeting in the morning, so i might be bouncing back and forth | 15:21 |
| ttx | i think it's good to give the opportunity to new TC members to participate in presenting, since the Board members might not know them as much as regulars | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | that's a good idea | 15:22 |
| fungi | i get to denver on saturday afternoon | 15:22 |
| fungi | oh, wait, you meant the next saturday | 15:22 |
| mnaser | I should clarify I meant more the Saturday of the PTG :p | 15:22 |
| fungi | yeah, around the whole day, not flying home until sunday | 15:22 |
| gmann | yeah 4th one | 15:23 |
| * lbragstad will have to leave the PTG early afternoon | 15:23 | |
| ttx | I'm leaving Sunday because I just like 10-day weeks | 15:23 |
| fungi | doesn't everyone? ;) | 15:23 |
| asettle | o/ sorry, late arrival | 15:23 |
| asettle | I'll be around Saturday, I think I also leave on the SUnday | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | ttx: metric system! | 15:24 |
| fungi | "the metric week" | 15:24 |
| asettle | Erk | 15:25 |
| asettle | mnaser, will definitely help with presentation stuffs. whatever you need | 15:25 |
| asettle | I'm out until Tuesday next week, I've got my own two talks to prepare for but other than that. | 15:26 |
| mugsie | mnaser: I can look at presentation stuff as well, but I only get back to Ireland on Tuesday, so it may be a bit of a compressed timeline | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | we're scheduled to have a meeting on the 2nd. we should probably just cancel that and call the saturday talks our meeting for the month | 15:27 |
| mugsie | Yeah, that makes sense | 15:27 |
| gmann | yeah, +1 | 15:28 |
| asettle | Sure | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | where do things stand with the goals? are we any closer to approving any of them? | 15:29 |
| lbragstad | the ipv6 goal is fresh | 15:29 |
| gmann | yeah, i will revise that with review comment today | 15:30 |
| lbragstad | there was also some concern about the feasibility of it aired out on the ML | 15:30 |
| asettle | PDF one, even though I had about 30 derps, is getting approved slowly... | 15:30 |
| mnaser | lbragstad: happen to have a link? | 15:30 |
| lbragstad | yeah - fetching | 15:30 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/653545/ | 15:31 |
| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/647712/ | 15:31 |
| lbragstad | ^ pdf is the second linke | 15:31 |
| lbragstad | ipv6 support is the first | 15:31 |
| asettle | Thnaks lbragstad | 15:31 |
| lbragstad | mhm | 15:31 |
| gmann | how about calling a spec review days/hour on both of them if that help to merge them before 27th ? | 15:32 |
| asettle | Have no issue with that. | 15:34 |
| ttx | mnaser: what should we cover during the PTG lunch presentation ? | 15:36 |
| ttx | (It's OK if we don;t use the full 20min) | 15:36 |
| mnaser | I’m hoping we land goals by then. | 15:36 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 15:37 |
| mnaser | I don’t think that doing an OpenStack update might be the best thing for that audience. Or maybe not? | 15:37 |
| ttx | historically we rather gave insights and goals | 15:37 |
| ttx | insights were like stats, but back when we needed to bust some myths... not sure that is as needed now | 15:38 |
| mnaser | Yeah, mythbusters for “OpenStack is dead” is probably not that relevant nowadays. | 15:39 |
| ttx | Pretty sure everyone still around is convinced otherwise :) | 15:39 |
| ttx | NB: We have more than 400 people registered for PTG as of today | 15:39 |
| gmann | nice. | 15:40 |
| ttx | We'll likely have more no-shows than usually, but still | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | I've always thought it would be nice to share info about the major goals of each team, so the info from that section the JLM presentation might be relevant | 15:40 |
| asettle | Also, the whole "OpenStack is dead" discussion mostly just leads everyone to yelling all about the same thing at the same time. It's not productive anymore. | 15:40 |
| asettle | That's a good idea, dhellmann | 15:40 |
| gmann | updating developers about joint leadership meeting discussion might be one good update for them. ? | 15:44 |
| mnaser | Would we have enough time to build that material? | 15:45 |
| mnaser | I don’t think I could, honestly. Ok | 15:46 |
| mnaser | s/Ok// | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | if we have anything significant, we could just say it without slides | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | but I would be surprised if there was anything significant to announce, tbh | 15:49 |
| mnaser | Likewise. And also, remember this is happening after the summit | 15:49 |
| mnaser | So the foundation would have done all the announcements that need to be announced, most likely. | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was thinking more of things that we agreed with the board but I don't have an example of anything | 15:50 |
| asettle | I have to roll, sorry team. Have a good Easter | 15:55 |
| fungi | thanks asettle! | 15:58 |
| fungi | you too | 15:58 |
| mugsie | Time to head to the office, will be in a meeting room all day :'( | 16:06 |
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| gmann | mugsie: best of luck :) | 16:07 |
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| mnaser | tc-members: I'd like to propose merging https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:project-update+is:open+-label:Code-Review-1 quicker to allow the infra team to have a clear definition of where things are going, these patches should technically land on the 25th based on project-update rules, but I think we're probably all in agreement that they should live under openstack/ | 18:59 |
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| mnaser | any major objections? | 19:00 |
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| * jroll is happy with that | 19:04 | |
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| TheJulia | sounds good to me as well | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | mnaser : +1 | 19:11 |
| ttx | ++ | 19:11 |
| ttx | I was about to suggest that :) | 19:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add Upstream Institute training image repo under Docs https://review.openstack.org/653360 | 19:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Adopt openstack/governance-website as TC repo https://review.openstack.org/653446 | 19:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Adopt openstack/arch-wg as TC repo https://review.openstack.org/653447 | 19:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Adopt openstack/openstack as TC repository https://review.openstack.org/653450 | 19:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add openstack/networking-l2gw-tempest-plugin to legacy.yaml https://review.openstack.org/653449 | 19:33 |
| mnaser | gmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649071/ -- dhellmann brings up a point that we don't have to tie the governance part with the project-config parts, are you okay with that? | 19:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Drop references to git.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/652762 | 19:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Elaborate on the business value of documentation owners https://review.openstack.org/641750 | 19:55 |
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| fungi | in case anyone spots any last minute changes we need to project renames/moves, anything recorded in the migration ethercalc sheet will take precedence, even over what's in governance | 20:46 |
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| gmann | mnaser: I am ok with that. project-config patch is already up so no issue | 23:05 |
| mnaser | awesome, sounds good | 23:06 |
| mnaser | we spoke a while back about trying to get cirrus building properly, nowster tried and it seems like it just doesn't build at all (not even on x86) at this point. do we perhaps want to look at changing our base images? | 23:17 |
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