Tuesday, 2018-11-20

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gmannTC Office hour time..09:02
lbragstado/09:06
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gmannwhere we are at merging the openstack-tc also in openstack-disucss ? i think dhellmann 's email has all vote in favor of that but did see that in fungi email.09:20
evrardjpwasn't it this week?09:23
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lbragstadyeah - openstack-discuss should be receiving traffic from openstack-tc09:26
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lbragstadfungi does need to approval emails though, but i'm not sure if he has that scripted or something?09:26
evrardjpI think the moderation is conditional?09:28
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evrardjp"Messages to openstack-dev from folks who aren't subscribers09:28
evrardjpto openstack-discuss will be caught in the openstack-discuss09:28
evrardjpmoderation queue09:28
evrardjp"09:28
evrardjpNot sure what else is in moderation queue.09:28
lbragstadah09:28
gmannyeah but openstack-tc is not listed in merge list09:28
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* cdent waves09:32
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evrardjpit seems my reply to discuss and i18n was not marked as in the same thread. We're gonna have interesting times during transition :)09:40
evrardjp(probably a pebkac on my side though)09:40
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cdentI'm glad I don't really need to think about it any more. I've updated the main alias I use for writing to the lists to be the new one and now I can stop thinking about it :)09:48
gmanntrue. my all odler filter works as it is, i used all [tag] for filter.09:53
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fungithe openstack-tc ml doesn't need any coordinated transition like our higher-volume lists. just send a final message to it saying all conversation is moving to openstack-discuss and then i can retire it straight away12:26
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lbragstadwell - that'll be easier12:35
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evrardjpyup13:06
dhellmannfungi : done: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2018-November/001558.html13:19
evrardjpthanks dhellmann for the official announce :)13:19
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gmannfungi: dhellmann thanks.13:48
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openstackgerritKaio Kassiano Moura Oliveira proposed openstack/governance master: Retire openstack-ansible-os_monasca-ui  https://review.openstack.org/61732217:26
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fungidhellmann: awesome, i've retired the openstack-tc ml just now18:27
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dhellmannprogress!18:42
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zanebdhellmann: I updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613145/ after our last discussion. I suspect that everyone might be waiting for you to weigh in :)19:53
zanebat least that's my working hypothesis for why nobody in the TC seems to want to vote on it19:53
cdentthat + summit19:56
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dhellmannzaneb : ok, I'll put that on my list for tomorrow morning20:00
zanebcdent: there seemed to be a lot of reluctance to vote that predated the last patchset (which I agree nobody has had time to look at because of summit)20:01
cdentTo be frank, it felt like a vote or a desire to try to drive more quickly in to the future was not sticking.20:02
cdentso in that instance it is more helpful to wait and see rather than keep fighting about it20:03
zanebcdent: not sure I understand. the current proposal is that we support the newest thing we are feasibly able to test, so by definition going any faster would require us to support something that is infeasible to test?20:07
cdenta) I was hoping we would test with something from python.org not something provided by a distro. b) I'm not up to date on recent stuff, because I waved off for a while to let things settle out.20:08
zanebin practice i don't see any daylight between that and the proposal, unless you're suggesting using pre-release versions from python.org20:10
cdentzaneb, like I said, I'm not up to date, and it may be that I'm confusing something from the 3 (?) different discussions that were nearby this topic. I probably also had carry over angst from "we need to wait to figure out what RHEL is doing"20:20
zanebcdent: good news, we found out what RHEL is doing20:20
cdentindeed20:21
cdentbut I don't understand/accept why a software project that releases code 6-18 months before people uses it needs to be beholden to some that is intentionally conservative and slow20:22
cdentso overall, I'm glad about the proposal, and simply haven't gotten back to it since walking off in generic frustration (with many things)20:26
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fungii'm cool urging people to test with the newest python they can, but getting automated testing of newer python also means someone stepping up to make that possible. as long as we don't commit to a policy which actively prevents folks who are interested from doing that work, i think we're fnie20:42
fungialso fine20:42
fungiwe seem to have distro package maintainers (at least) keen enough on making it happen that they're willing to engage with the rest of the community to get it done, which is great. we should mainly just try not to get in the way there20:46
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fungiand also help add some weight behind their efforts to highlight them as good for openstack20:47
fungibut separate from that, i feel it's our responsibility to urge continued testing on the server platforms people are currently using, and not only focus on the unreleased moving targets20:48
fungi(that, of course, also depends on willing members in the community keeping it up)20:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add missing ws seperator between words  https://review.openstack.org/61870522:19
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