| persia | TheJulia: You're joking, but there was chat earlier about one of the candidates maybe not making it to summit. Had the election results been different, suddenly that would have been more important. | 00:01 |
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| TheJulia | That is true | 00:02 |
| TheJulia | persia: I was more referring to there being a bootcamp or something, but it really is initiation by fire | 00:03 |
| mnaser | hehe | 00:03 |
| scas | i do have a side project called, among other names, universidad del fuego | 00:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/governance master: Stein TC Election Results https://review.openstack.org/605896 | 00:20 |
| persia | Item for a future office hours: with changes to cycle length and timing, do we want to shift TC term lengths? | 00:23 |
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| TheJulia | I was pondering that earlier... | 00:42 |
| TheJulia | then again, there is value in consistency | 00:48 |
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| zaneb | persia: I'm not sure the bylaws technically allow us to mess with it even if we wanted to | 01:26 |
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| persia | zaneb: https://www.openstack.org/legal/technical-committee-member-policy/ suggests to me that we need to have an election at least every six months, and that a term cannot exceed a year. If we want to change things, that means a transition with shorter terms and more frequent elections. | 01:28 |
| persia | Frustratingly, we seem to have historically done the opposite: terms used to run march-to-march and september-to-september. They currently run april-to-april and october-to-october. I don't want to investigate the rationale for that transition, because I suspect it contravenes the bylaws. | 01:30 |
| zaneb | ah you're right, we could make it shorter | 01:30 |
| persia | *but* if we want to run summit-to-summit or something, we could probably make that happen. | 01:30 |
| persia | Also, last I heard, the Foundation was considering some bylaws changes. Personally, I feel it would make sense to make the TC have an election within at least 7 months, for terms not to exceed 13 months, just to handle the special cases that have appeared in the past, where we needed a couple extra weeks here or there. | 01:33 |
| persia | But this is properly a topic for when more folk are present :) | 01:33 |
| fungi | i personally will push for getting the tc member policy removed from the bylaws in the rewrite, to put the openstack tc in charge of the remaining details currently hard-coded in a foundation bylaws addendum | 02:07 |
| fungi | this would put us on more equal footing with the other osf projects in regards to controlling the nature of our project's governance | 02:08 |
| fungi | it seems silly to me to have multiple osf projects, but community governance details of only one of them detailed in the foundation bylaws | 02:09 |
| fungi | in fact, this is something worth bringing up in the joint leadership meeting | 02:10 |
| dtroyer | fungi: thanks, I think that makes sense. the pilot projects (will) have some freedoms that OpenStack (the project) doesn't in this regard, I agree that bit of refactoring needs to be done. | 02:18 |
| fungi | i guess i can start with a change to copy the tc member policy (verbatim) from the bylaws appendix to the governance repo | 03:06 |
| fungi | that'll give us a good talking point | 03:06 |
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| cmurphy | > But this also means that folk who chose not to stand for reelection aren't magically off the hook just because the election concluded. | 07:21 |
| cmurphy | aw dang | 07:21 |
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| ttx | fungi: although... the appendix is the only thing that prevents us from self-appointing us as dictators-for-life | 08:04 |
| ttx | It's been useful in giving us a couple of red lines we are not allowed to cross | 08:05 |
| ttx | I agree it goes in slightly too much details and stricter timings than we can practically handle | 08:06 |
| ttx | but I'm not convinced we should throw away the whole baby with the bath water | 08:07 |
| ttx | zhipeng: sorry you could not make it. I think until we get more people from China to actually vote, it will be a difficult challenge. | 08:08 |
| ttx | I'm working with horace to see how we can fix that | 08:09 |
| ttx | In the mean time, I think everyone here would appreciate if you worked with the TC on those questions, to represent that view even if not elected. | 08:10 |
| cmurphy | ++ it is really critical that zhipeng and ricolin continue to lend their perspectives, I'm a bit frustrated that we yet again missed the chance to make it official | 08:16 |
| zhipeng | thx folks :) | 08:17 |
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| cdent | seems like turnout was relatively good | 10:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Inherit openstackdocstheme for TC site https://review.openstack.org/604935 | 11:03 |
| dims | +1 ttx "everyone here would appreciate if you worked with the TC on those questions" (towards zhipeng) | 11:19 |
| dims | cdent : compared to previous elections? | 11:20 |
| cdent | dims: My memory may be faulty, but the %age of potential voters who did vote seems higher. I haven't confirmed my memory with reality, though. | 11:26 |
| dims | cdent : you are right. Rocky was 384 out of 2025. Stein was 403 out of 1636 | 11:28 |
| dims | comparing https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f773fda2d0695864 and https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_98430d99fc2ed59d | 11:28 |
| cdent | wow, that's quite a difference | 11:28 |
| dims | electorate shrunk but more folks voted! | 11:28 |
| dims | Queens : 420 out of 2430 ( https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ce86063991ef8aae ) | 11:30 |
| cdent | biab | 11:37 |
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| fungi | ttx: i agree i wouldn't want to lose the tyranny barrier, but we could for example bake into the extracted tc member policy that changing it requires a special vote of the technical contributors | 11:46 |
| * cmurphy tries to imagine ttx or fungi as tyrannical dictators | 11:47 | |
| fungi | mostly i want to make sure that as governance of other projects begins to solidify, openstack isn't the only one stuck without a way to evolve its own without lawyers and permission from the osf board of directors | 11:47 |
| fungi | simply getting a glaringly confusing typo fixed in the existing tc member policy has dragged on for years now | 11:49 |
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| persia | cmurphy: My read is that you are free from 31 October. | 12:39 |
| cmurphy | persia: ah thanks for clearing that up | 12:40 |
| fungi | though if you need to resign early, we would likely just seek to temporarily appoint one of the recently-elected folks to fill your spot until their term officially takes effect | 12:41 |
| cmurphy | I'm not actually in a rush :) | 12:42 |
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| lbragstad | thanks mnaser :) | 12:58 |
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| fungi | cdent: dims: i think we're still witnessing the after-effects of dropping the requirement for joining the foundation to be able to push changes. we now instruct people to join and maintain their membership in the osf if they want to vote in technical elections, so the overall percentage of qualified voters who are interested in voting rises as a result | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | fungi , persia : if we want to change the bylaws, we need to start now. the other proposed changes will be approved by the board at the JLM in berlin, so if we wait to start then we'll have to wait another year for the next ballot | 13:09 |
| smcginnis | I do think in general, as the number of people involved in the community has shrunk, those still around are the ones that are more engaged. | 13:09 |
| persia | dhellmann: Excellent point. | 13:09 |
| smcginnis | +1 for moving the OpenStack project governance bits out of the OSF bylaws into our own domain. | 13:09 |
| fungi | dhellmann: well, i gather the board is being asked to entertain a significant rewrite of the bylaws to handle the new scope and possible rename of the osf too | 13:10 |
| fungi | so, yes, i'm going to put a bug in the ear of the people who are driving that process to figure out how we can avoid ending up with the openstack project singled out as the only one with a significant chunk of its governance baked into the new bylaws | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | fungi : right, that's my point. those are the changes they'll be voting to approve for the ballot. we should get any tc-related changes into that same set | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | cool | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | I'd be happy to help with that, too | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | it would be nice if we could just come up with project leadership rules that apply to all groups. that should encourage us to keep them nice and vague. | 13:12 |
| fungi | right, that's my hope with it | 13:13 |
| fungi | i basically need to start by finding out what's going to get proposed | 13:13 |
| fungi | there's a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation since the board is being asked to vote on a change to then get the community to vote on, but we don't necessarily have a community input phase for what's going to be proposed (other than at the public board meeting where it will be presented) | 13:14 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: i think asking Alan to help us draft up something would be very useful | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | fungi : that does feel a bit rushed | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | mnaser : yeah, I think there's a subcommittee doing that work, so if fungi and I can get involved we will | 13:17 |
| fungi | i'm asking around about 1. whether there's a public comment phase planned before berlin and 2. the odds of swinging something along the lines of this particular change | 13:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Fix typo in stable branch maint guide https://review.openstack.org/606070 | 13:26 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: ^ | 13:26 |
| ttx | re: formally onboarding new members closer to summit... in the past we did that just after the election (basically starting by selecting a new chair the week after). | 13:28 |
| ttx | I'm not sure why we'd change that... tradition | 13:28 |
| ttx | persia: any particular reason to change ? | 13:29 |
| persia | ttx: Historically it seems we onboard at summits, but documentation is lax. Sometimes reference/members has terms starting in October for November summits. | 13:30 |
| ttx | We always updated the roster immediately after election fwiw | 13:30 |
| persia | I think it might be nice to 1) be explicit that onboarding is at summits, and 2) provide a bit more flexibility in term length so that this is actually permitted by the rules. | 13:30 |
| ttx | and had members cast their vote the week after | 13:30 |
| cmurphy | that's what i thought i remembered | 13:30 |
| ttx | persia: re: "Historically it seems we onboard at summits" I'm not sure where you got that feeling | 13:31 |
| persia | I'm fine if we're doing that, but it doesn't match the records I found yesterday. | 13:31 |
| persia | I may not have found the right records :) | 13:31 |
| cmurphy | not all tc members necessarily go to summits | 13:31 |
| ttx | also summit is not exactly tomorrow | 13:32 |
| ttx | As past chair I always inducted new members the week after the election. | 13:32 |
| ttx | patches like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605896/ are immediate and change the official roster. | 13:33 |
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| smcginnis | Does that match what the bylaws state? Don't know (haven't had a chance to check myself) but based on earlier comments that might not align. | 13:34 |
| smcginnis | Seems fine to me, just wondering if as we make changes to where those things live if we need to also update it to align with actual practice. | 13:35 |
| ttx | sure, if there is text that says I've been misbehaving in the past, we should align | 13:35 |
| ttx | But as the author of most of those documents, that would surprise me :) | 13:36 |
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| dhellmann | I don't see anything in https://www.openstack.org/legal/technical-committee-member-policy/ about summits, just at least every 6 months | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | persia : can you share whatever documents you found? | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | I would prefer not to wait until November to start the new TC term | 13:39 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565432/ shows immediate votes by new members last time | 13:39 |
| dhellmann | I know in the past the elections did come closer to summits, but I always thought that had more to do with the date of the development cycle than the summit itself | 13:39 |
| dhellmann | for the same reason we used to do PTL elections close to summits | 13:39 |
| mnaser | yeah, last time for me it was right away.. | 13:40 |
| persia | dhellmann: git history of openstack/governance:reference/members, bylaws appendix 4, various "intro" emails at summits (which I now read differently since ttx's comment) | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | when we changed the cycle start to create the PTG, we moved the PTL elections but kept the TC elections staggered | 13:40 |
| persia | At least currently TC elections are scheduled to be a certain number of weeks from summits. That might be in error. | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | we want the elections held early enough that new TC members can update their travel to make the joint leadership meeting | 13:41 |
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| dhellmann | so we did that on purpose | 13:41 |
| smcginnis | That's what I recall too. | 13:41 |
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| dhellmann | it seems we should write some of this down :-) | 13:42 |
| ttx | We say we elect new members every n months... it seems normal to me that without any other precision that takes effect immediately | 13:42 |
| smcginnis | I don't see any problem with the way we've been doing things, I just want to make sure what we state in documentation actually reflects reality. | 13:42 |
| ttx | there is nothign in doc that says that the elected members need to wait for anything | 13:43 |
| persia | smcginnis: That is my goal with suggesting we discuss "change" in the office hours next week. | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | neither the bylaws nor charter say anything about the summit | 13:43 |
| ttx | we just say elections take place x weeks before summit. Not that the term starts at summit. | 13:44 |
| ttx | it never did, so i see no reason to change that interpretation | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | oh, we do say that, I missed that bit | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | yeah, so we just need diablo_rojo to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605896/1 to remove the chair flags and we're good to go | 13:46 |
| ttx | dhellmann: FWIW at past elections I immediately updated the Gerrit group to contain new members. | 13:48 |
| ttx | that way they can vote on the patch | 13:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Stein TC Election Results https://review.openstack.org/605896 | 13:49 |
| ttx | oops missed the vicechair | 13:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Stein TC Election Results https://review.openstack.org/605896 | 13:50 |
| ttx | done | 13:50 |
| dhellmann | ttx: thanks for the reminder | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | evrardjp, gmann, lbragstad : I have added you to the tech-committee group in gerrit | 13:52 |
| persia | One concern about the "start immediately" choice is that the terms are not to exceed one year, and I'm not sure we're tracking that sufficiently carefully. | 13:52 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann ty sir | 13:52 |
| persia | Of course, if the bylaws change before the year is up, that's a different story :) | 13:53 |
| ttx | yeah, that's definitely a thing we've interpreted liberally. | 13:53 |
| dhellmann | persia, ttx : I agree. Let's see if we can get the bylaws loosened so we can rewrite that in our charter in a form that is easier to track. | 13:53 |
| ttx | "every 6 months" was interpreted "every summit" | 13:53 |
| cmurphy | if my term didn't end until november that would be over a year | 13:53 |
| ttx | since that's a more convenient alignment mechanism | 13:54 |
| persia | Yep, which likely contributed to my understanding that summits were important. | 13:54 |
| ttx | I support changing the wording to be more... flexible there :) | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | cmurphy : stop trying to get out of completing your term ;-) | 13:55 |
| cmurphy | :P | 13:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Add section on what to do with tox_install.sh https://review.openstack.org/603875 | 13:55 |
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| fungi | yeah, if we're looking at the possibility to get some/most of https://www.openstack.org/legal/technical-committee-member-policy/ moved into openstack project control then there are definitely some other obligations outlined there which we aren't necessarily tracking | 14:05 |
| fungi | for example it says "The Technical Committee shall meet at least quarterly." and while we do tend to get together at ptgs and the forum we haven't really taken official rollcall or confirmed quorum that i'm aware. and with the next ptg occurring coincident with the forum... | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | we used to meet weekly, so I'm sure we didn't worry about it for that reason | 14:07 |
| persia | Very likely, but this makes it more important to fix the bylaws. Noncompliance with bylaws can be considered actionable. We have lots of members. | 14:11 |
| ttx | fungi: yes I would remove the "elections for the Technical Committee shall be held at least every six months" language and just keep "Each Technical Committee member shall hold the seat for a term not to exceed 14 months, but may be re-elected to the Technical Committee." | 14:11 |
| fungi | "Upon completion of the election, the Technical Committee shall give notice to the Board of Directors and the Secretary. [...] Any member of the Technical Committee may resign by delivering notice in writing or by electronic transmission to the Secretary." i'm not even sure i know who the current secretary of the board of directors is and https://www.openstack.org/foundation/board-of-directors/ doesn't | 14:11 |
| fungi | say... are we sure we've been doing that? | 14:11 |
| ttx | (14 months will give us the flexibility we need) | 14:12 |
| ttx | fungi: the secretary is JB | 14:12 |
| ttx | I've been communicating the results to Alan at elections, yes | 14:12 |
| fungi | aha. thanks | 14:12 |
| ttx | although posting publicly to a list could count as "communicating" | 14:13 |
| fungi | i guess someone communicates resignations (we've only ever had one or two right?) to jonathan as well | 14:13 |
| ttx | fungi: I don't think we had formal resignations | 14:13 |
| ttx | only "I won't run again" types ? | 14:13 |
| ttx | at least JB never communicated any to me :) | 14:14 |
| fungi | there was at least one where we ended up needing to appoint dtroyer to finish out someone else's term, right? | 14:14 |
| fungi | or did i imagine it? | 14:15 |
| ttx | I think we did it by a proxy delegation mechanism | 14:15 |
| fungi | yeah, just trying to remember why we had a sudden vacancy for him to fill | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | evrardjp : please subscribe to the tc-members mailing list | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad : please subscribe to the tc-members mailing list | 14:16 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann done | 14:17 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I have formally notified Alan of the election results: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2018-September/001552.html | 14:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: add Doug Hellmann as chair https://review.openstack.org/606098 | 14:31 |
| fungi | thanks dhellmann! technically he's not the secretary, but i guess notifying the chair of the board also suffices | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | oh, ttx said he emailed alan | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | I'll forward that to jbryce | 14:36 |
| ttx | In the past I waited until we had a chair, since in theory we have no chair right now to transmit the results yet :) | 14:37 |
| ttx | I guess past chair" | 14:37 |
| ttx | also works | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | we haven't formally approved the patch that removes the chair flag either | 14:38 |
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| dhellmann | yay, limbo! | 14:38 |
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| tosky | shouldn't there be a rule to avoid a "lack of power"? Like "the member which have been more time on the TC" or "the most voted one", or something like that? | 14:39 |
| tosky | (ok, ok, it's just for few days, but still) | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | in the past we've just said the current committee continues to serve until the new one is approved | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | that's probably something else we should write down | 14:40 |
| tosky | that makes sense | 14:40 |
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| persia | When selecting chairs, I'd like to recommend that the chair be selected from those who were just elected, so that there isn't a gap of time without a chair (like we have now) | 14:42 |
| persia | (or would have if the election results were merged) | 14:42 |
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| persia | Alternately, perhaps if the chair is subject to reelection, it makes sense to have the vice chair (if not also subject to reelection) be chair from when election results are posted until the chair is selected? | 14:43 |
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| ttx | In the past the previous chair would organize chair selection as first matter of business. | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | done: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2018-September/001554.html | 14:52 |
| persia | That's good practice, but if we're writing down how to think it should work, we should allow for the case where the prior chair is not a member of the new TC: does the prior chair still organise in that case? | 14:52 |
| persia | dhellmann: Excellently written email, except I thought we were trying to use -dev for TC communications :) | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | persia : this is one of the few reasons for this separate list to exist | 14:53 |
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| persia | As someone who feels the separate list has value (and would like to see it used more for explicitly direct-TC comms unrelated to the wider community), I'll add that to the list of arguments against merge :) | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | I'm still torn on that one. I like not having to manage my own email alias for 13 people. OTOH, that's not *really* that big of a deal. And we're pretty good about not using that list for discussions already. | 14:56 |
| zaneb | persia: the defining characteristic of the -tc list isn't that only TC members read it, but that only TC members can post to it | 14:56 |
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| cdent | dhellmann: I think the question really comes down to: under what circumstances would you need to write to just the tc in a way that is different from say the keystone team want to write to just the keystone team? | 14:59 |
| persia | zaneb: as a non-TC member who has posted to that list, I think the definition is a little different :) | 15:00 |
| cdent | If either of those things are common, then different lists make sense but if we insist that keystone team should be in public, then so too should the TC | 15:00 |
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| persia | dhellmann: I think it isn't for discussion, more for specific contact announcement, etc. I think it makes sense to use it on cc: for formal notice form the TC to other bodies, and as From: for formal notice to the TC. | 15:00 |
| zaneb | persia: I mean, you can but it's subject to moderation | 15:00 |
| persia | Whereas any informal notice probably belongs on -dev (or -discuss) | 15:01 |
| persia | Mind you, that would probably work better were -owner not blackholed due to continuing spam attacks (who keeps spamming a dead email address for years consistently? DOesn't that get expensive?) | 15:02 |
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| persia | Also, I think an email alias for 13 people is fundamentally different. I want to be able to read mail sent to the TC (even by the TC), even if I'm not properly supposed to act on it. | 15:02 |
| persia | (and, no, I don't want to do that by convincing specific ISPs to let me install packet replication devices) | 15:03 |
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| mnaser | dhellmann: i think your email to add jonathan never went through fyi (for tc members update) | 15:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Fix typo in stable branch maint guide https://review.openstack.org/606070 | 15:38 |
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| dhellmann | oh, indeed, it went out from the wrong address so it's stuck in moderation | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | thanks mnaser | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | hmm, no, the one in moderation is from mnaser | 15:38 |
| mnaser | i just see that you resent the second email to jonathan but he's not in the to: list | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | mnaser : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2018-September/001553.html | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | oh, he's in the CC list on my end | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if the mailing list discards the CC list | 15:39 |
| mnaser | maybe! | 15:39 |
| cmurphy | i see evrardjp and alan on the cc list but not jonathan | 15:42 |
| elbragstad | i assume chair and vice chair titles will be added into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605896/3/reference/members after the selection in a couple weeks? | 15:44 |
| elbragstad | added back into* | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | cmurphy : there was a 2nd email | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | elbragstad : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2018-September/001554.html | 15:46 |
| elbragstad | oh - so that applies to vice chairs as well? | 15:46 |
| elbragstad | i just noticed that mnaser's name was shuffled in that that patch due to sorting.. and {vice chair} is missing | 15:48 |
| elbragstad | i assume that applies to both, then? | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | I forget, do we do election to election? Or should they be term based with the chair and vice chair alternating with overlapping terms? | 15:50 |
| elbragstad | according to 972c5c0ee57f473abc35ef49e01875882156725a that was added in July | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | Another idea continuing on that would be to have the vice chair become the chair at the mid-point of their term so there is continuation. | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | elbragstad: Vice chair is a new thing. | 15:51 |
| elbragstad | that makes sense | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | It was the "Doug wants to be able to go on vacation" addendum. :) | 15:52 |
| elbragstad | +1 | 15:52 |
| persia | smcginnis: I think vice-chair becoming chair at midpoint is an excellent model. | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | It would address the earlier concern mentioned of there being a gap. | 15:54 |
| persia | That means potential chairs get ~6 months of training. | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | And provide a nice pathway for more rotation. | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | +1 exactly | 15:55 |
| persia | Effectively forced rotation, which is probably also good. The sheer number of things needing to be done in handover (and continuing to be done) indicates that this is an area that could benefit from improvement. | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | It would mean chair-ship would only be 6 months, but no reason someone couldn't keep going as chair-vice chair-chair-etc. | 15:57 |
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| mnaser | am I being signed up for more work? | 16:00 |
| mnaser | :p | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | mnaser: we don't think you have enough to do | 16:00 |
| mnaser | cmurphy: :D | 16:00 |
| mnaser | fwiw: just a heads up i'll be in europe starting OSDN till berlin, so i'll be in a different timezone for a while | 16:02 |
| mnaser | not that i dont think i'll probably always end up being here for all times anyways but just a heads up :) | 16:02 |
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| eandersson | dhellmann, looks like glance hasn't been reserved yet on pypi? | 18:57 |
| dhellmann | how did I miss that one | 18:57 |
| dhellmann | eandersson : the pypi api reports that our ci system has permission to upload to the name glance | 18:59 |
| eandersson | ah sweet - maybe just showing up as 404 because nothing has been uploaded | 19:00 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I suspect that's the case | 19:00 |
| eandersson | e.g. magnum looks untouched since 2012 and the dev looks active | 19:02 |
| eandersson | Should we try to reach out to take over that name? | 19:03 |
| eandersson | *Is it worth reaching out to him, or are we happy just keeping using openstack-magnum? | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | eandersson : I've contacted them | 19:04 |
| dhellmann | or at least tried | 19:04 |
| dhellmann | that was yesterday, though, so I don't expect a response back yet | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | when I found the openstack-magnum name I figured it would be just as easy to keep using it | 19:05 |
| eandersson | Yea - I honestly like openstack-<project> | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | there's something to be said for consistency | 19:06 |
| eandersson | It's just a little unfortunate that we mix | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | although then you have the renaming problem for new projects | 19:06 |
| eandersson | Not a task to take lightly that is for sure | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | over the lifetime of the project it's probably better to not have to use the prefixed name, since it's one less change for everyone to keep up with | 19:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Add section on what to do with tox_install.sh https://review.openstack.org/603875 | 20:55 |
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