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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/governance master: Begin the 'T' Release naming process https://review.openstack.org/600354 | 06:32 |
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| fungi | https://blog.opentechstrategies.com/2018/05/field-guide-to-open-source-project-archetypes/ has an interesting outside take on openstack as a side-by-side with other kinds of communities (though i think they made a few assumptions about openstack based on what they know about the kubernetes community) | 12:38 |
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| fungi | really enjoyed lifeless's feedback on the openstack technical vision draft too | 12:55 |
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| persia | fungi: Thanks for the pointer. I think there is a space between "Mass Market" and "Multi-Vendor Infra" that is missed somehow. Maybe the categorisation would be different if there were widely publicised data related to tens of millions of OpenStack users, but maybe the taxonomy conflates "multiple organisations offering substantial funding" with "multiple organisations having direct governance authority". | 13:35 |
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| fungi | persia: my take was that openstack was somewhere between multi-vendor and wide open (leadership is elected by participating individuals not their employers, we encourage and see value in unaffiliated contributors, et cetera) | 14:16 |
| fungi | er, to clarify, _technical_ leadership is elected by individuals. only a third of our foundation's board is elected by individuals | 14:18 |
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| fungi | i don't think it got mentioned in here, but we got a (too late unfortunately) tc self-nomination from a new contributor at at&t: https://review.openstack.org/600587 | 15:35 |
| fungi | hopefully jezogwza will start participating in discussions anyway | 15:45 |
| * persia hopes so, as it is a usefully different viewpoint | 16:13 | |
| persia | I've never felt OpenStack is wide open: from my first attempt to become a developer through to now, I've always felt that while anyone *can* contribute, there isn't a lot of joint collaborative (time) investment in focusing on one-off and new contributors. Representations of this have ranged from "we only review stuff we submit, although anyone can join us" to "someone needs to prove they will stick around before they are worth mentoring". | 16:14 |
| persia | But perhaps "wide open" is a better target than "mass market": to me, the names in the Mozilla report carry awkward implications. Perhaps the OpenStack situation appears like "Mass Market", but the protective layer isn't a necessary thing? | 16:15 |
| persia | (or maybe it is important, even though the number of intentional direct users may not be high enough to normally justify "mass market") | 16:16 |
| scas | there's a relatively untapped group of people that would otherwise be evangelists, the 'homelab' types, who run derelict enterprise gear out of their own homes. i've observed a stark perception of what others deem 'OpenStack' to be. there is definitely a "don't use this, it's too hard and it's a nightmare" mentality in the hobbyist area. that goes a long way to shaping the perception of openness | 17:40 |
| fungi | i think we can certainly improve on how we interact with, support and mentor casual contributors | 17:40 |
| fungi | mtreinish's closetcloud writeup is probably a good one for the homelab crowd | 17:41 |
| scas | i waded into a thread on reddit that was 90% FUD | 17:41 |
| fungi | he specs out the derelict used hardware, gets it off some schmo om ebay or craigslist (i forget), deploys basically everything from source tarballs and that's already some several cycles old | 17:43 |
| fungi | granted it gets hairy in places, but some of the tinkerers enjoy that | 17:43 |
| fungi | it's basically a look under the covers, no configuration management or automation | 17:44 |
| scas | aye. it's a hairy beast, but it can be tamed. what drives the perception is, no surprise, born out of following a manual installation path. someone went through it in grizzly and it was awful, so all deployments are henceforth 'hard' and a 'nightmare' | 17:44 |
| fungi | following the official installation guide for the most part, aside from packaging i think | 17:44 |
| fungi | and of course he found inconsistencies (surprise!) and pushed up patches for review where relevant | 17:46 |
| fungi | and i'm landing in denver now (i hope!). only a few hundred feet off the ground now | 17:47 |
| scas | someone was looking to manage some hyper-v hosts, and the response was "nope! nope! too hard! you're going to hate yourself, life, the universe and everything. go download esxi because it's, you know, free, man" | 17:47 |
| fungi | free as in beer, and who doesn't like free beer every now and then? | 17:48 |
| scas | the stars did not align for me to make it to denver :/ | 17:50 |
| Bhujay | thank you very much fungi for sharing this doc , this is really helpful to understand that how strategic opensource initiatives can be | 18:03 |
| Bhujay | To the question of Persia and scas regd the difficulties of adopting openstack , I believe there is a huge gap in terms of communication to the senior execs of organizations , the promotion is left to couple of enthusiasts who voices are becoming feeble against the huge advertisement from alternate technologies . Reginal ambassadors, downstream vendors and community leaders need to play a greater role to connect with the senior exec of the | 18:16 |
| Bhujay | organization and communicating the values of openstack or opensource at large . | 18:16 |
| scas | fungi: appreciate you mentioning the writeup. i'm precluded from having much physical gear at my disposal at home on account of electricity constraints | 18:26 |
| scas | how two fans manage to pop a 15a breaker, i do not know, but it does | 18:27 |
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| fungi | yeah, i too had to divest myself of my rather power-hungry home lab/cpu zoo/museum when i relocated to the beach | 19:09 |
| fungi | i do still miss those oddball processor architectures from time to time. building a linux server on an hppa pizzabox or as400 or mac quadra or sgi indy or sun netra or dec alphastation or... fun times | 19:11 |
| fungi | but the power bill thanks me, the air conditioner thanks me, my ears thank me, my shins thank me, and most of all my wife thanks me | 19:12 |
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| ttx | Need protip on what to do when you've been awake for 20 hours but still need to layover for 4hours. My brain is refusing to do useful work | 21:44 |
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| clarkb | ttx: I find video games perfect for that especially if the game doesn't require much thought | 22:30 |
| clarkb | reading would put me to sleep as would a move, but video games require just enough participation to keep me awake | 22:30 |
| clarkb | also walking in circles around the airport isa good choice | 22:31 |
| smcginnis | Choooo chooo | 22:40 |
| mnaser | is it there | 23:16 |
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