Tuesday, 2018-06-05

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cmurphy#startmeeting tc09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun  5 09:00:36 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
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ttxlooks like my flight is delayed so I can attend first minutes09:04
ttxNothin like a one hour delay on a 50 min flight09:05
cmurphythat's the best09:05
cmurphywhere are you headed ttx?09:06
ttxOpenStack Day Budapest09:06
cmurphy<3 budapest09:06
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evrardjpIt would be pretty nice if I could get some opinions on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131149.html thanks :)11:28
evrardjp(for the point 2. on the last part of the email)11:29
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fungiwow, this bug certainly highlights the sorts of issues we're likely to get into by mixing python3-only projects in with deployments focused primarily on python2: https://launchpad.net/bugs/174699213:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1746992 in gnocchi (Ubuntu) "gnocchi-api in Bionic uses python3, and libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3 conflicts with the python 2 version" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:24
smcginnisevrardjp: And I believe we are good on point 2 as well.13:24
smcginnisfungi: I'm curious what problems it causes with the other services as I thought all of those listed should be able to run under py3.13:26
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fungismcginnis: ubuntu isn't set up to install libapache2-mod-wsgi-python2 and libapache2-mod-wsgi-python3 together13:27
fungiso all your wsgi-based services need to be on the same python version13:27
smcginnisRight, but I would have thought that would be OK.13:27
fungigranted, gnocchi claims to still support python2. my suspicion is that ubuntu bionic imported debian's (python3-based) gnocchi-api package but is still building their own packages of official openstack api services13:28
fungiconfirmed, https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/gnocchi-api is taken straight from debian at the moment, so crossing the streams13:32
smcginnisDon't cross the streams!13:32
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: add python 2 deprecation timeline  https://review.openstack.org/57101114:24
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: PowerVMStackers following stable policy  https://review.openstack.org/56259114:25
evrardjphaha, a good ghostbusters reference always lighten up the python mood14:30
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smcginnismugsie: +100015:55
mugsiesmcginnis: which one of the 3 emails? :D15:56
* mugsie is just back reading emails after the summit, and wow, there is a ton of stuff here :)15:56
smcginnismugsie: About rewarding behavior. That's one key point that's been stabbing me in the side since the start.15:57
openstackgerritMerged openstack/project-team-guide master: Update mission statement  https://review.openstack.org/57079615:58
mugsieyeah. its not a great way to start15:58
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dimsfyi, QEMU / Kata containers discussion - http://lists.katacontainers.io/pipermail/kata-hypervisor/2018-June/000000.html18:32
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dhellmannyay, another mailing list18:39
mugsiedims: were you at that discussion? Some interesting contributions from MSFT in the etherpad18:39
dimsmugsie : i reached late and left early18:39
mugsieah, OK. Was wondering what the verbal contributions were :)18:40
dhellmannit's interesting that everyone signed up on that etherpad under their employer18:40
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mugsie> Desirable minimal OS support - RHEL 6 (kernel2.6.32+GIANTDIFF), Windows Server 201318:42
mugsiethat is one hell of a goal18:42
dimsdhellmann : yep.18:42
mugsieI am assuming it is guest OS support, but still trying to removeas much as possible and still support ^ is tough18:43
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dimsyes the guest os which will have the containers18:43
dimsanother interesting discussion from this morning at the CNCF TOC (see slide 7) - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/190oIFgujktVYxWZLhLYN4q8p9dtQYoe4sxHgn4deBSI/edit#slide=id.g360eaeb945a20053_018:44
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dimsaround "what kind of projects can we make top-level projects in CNCF? what if a project entirely depends on k8s? how many of them will show up?"...18:45
dimsfollow up to helm becoming a top level project18:45
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clarkbsomething something big tent? :P18:51
clarkbre the qemu front, its obviously a different layer but python linux wheels target a rhel 5 era glibc iirc18:52
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mugsieYeah - I get the draw for windows (win containers are a thing), but a RHEL that old for something to run containers seems weird to me :)18:58
dimsclarkb : dunno where things will land, that meeting was a first pass i think18:59
smcginnisdims: Did they come to any kind of common opinion in the TOC meeting?19:01
dhellmannclarkb : doesn't the wheel built depend on the compiler installed on the build host?19:01
dimssmcginnis : ran out of time, there's a pointer to a issue/pr in the slide 7, where discussions will continue19:01
smcginnisdims: The Helm issue?19:01
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clarkbdhellmann: ya there is a universal linux base platform thing they publsih for though with idea being a wheel built against that will run on any linux19:02
dimsHelm made it into top level. now they are thinking about who else will ask for top level project and how many they can get in19:02
smcginnisdims: I mean, they are going to debate this community discussion on the helm issue?19:03
clarkbdhellmann: they make a docker image you can use to simplify consuming it too iirc19:03
dimssmcginnis : dunno exactly where they will debate, but the starting point is the text in the helm issue "https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/114#issuecomment-393435553"19:04
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openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/governance master: Add afsmon project under infra  https://review.openstack.org/57252719:14
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fungiclarkb: well, not _any_ linux20:07
fungijust any linux with a compatible glibc20:07
clarkbright has a large userland requirement too20:08
fungialpine, for example, and other distros using uclibc, are not able to use manylinux1 wheels20:08
fungialso, there's a recently approved pep to switch the manylinux spec to year-based versioning rather than arbitrary sequence20:08
fungiso manylinux1 becomes something like manylinux200820:09
fungiand the proposed version which covers arm abi support will be manylinux2015 i think20:09
fungibasically trying to express roughly the timeframe from which the userland dependencies date20:10
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fungiwhich of course is still fairly nebulous as it's sort of "any distro release in or after this year should be able to use these wheels"20:10
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openstackgerritJean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Add new roles to OpenStack-Ansible  https://review.openstack.org/57255620:29
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openstackgerritIan Y. Choi proposed openstack/governance master: Update PTI around project doc translation and PDF  https://review.openstack.org/57255920:44
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