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| fungi | in theory we'll know an actual room by then | 01:21 |
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| pabelanger | I'm in the lobby following ttx | 08:43 |
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| ttx | We'll see where there is space, worst case we'll use the bar | 08:50 |
| dhellmann | we lost power here last night, so service in the hotel is pretty disrupted. I'm going to see what the options are for breakfast. | 08:53 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: in the case you can't find anything, they have breakfast here until 10.30am afik | 08:56 |
| EmilienM | cdent / pabelanger / myself are at the bar | 08:57 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : I'm about a mile away, so I don't think I'll make it there in person. | 09:02 |
| * dhellmann will return at some point | 09:02 | |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: I'll setup bluejeans if it's fine for you | 09:02 |
| EmilienM | I have decent subwoofers (externals) | 09:02 |
| cdent | but may be some time | 09:02 |
| EmilienM | bj might be proplematic if wifi isn't working well | 09:02 |
| EmilienM | problematic even | 09:02 |
| TheJulia | I happen to have a yeti microphone in my backpack... If it could be useful | 09:07 |
| cdent | https://twitter.com/anticdent/status/969502533461954560 | 09:23 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we can try to patch you in | 09:23 |
| mrhillsman | screenshare was problematic for infra at the stadium | 09:26 |
| mrhillsman | via bluejeans, audio+video was fine | 09:26 |
| cmurphy | trying to check my rental car status, will be late | 09:29 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: you about? | 09:32 |
| EmilienM | flaper87: any plan to come around this morning? | 09:33 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ok, I'm here if you want to give it a try | 09:39 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: I'm on it | 09:40 |
| fungi | cmurphy: we're in the hotel bar if you're looking for us | 09:44 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : it might be easier for me to listen and relay questions/comments by text | 09:46 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: works for me | 09:46 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: you can also talk, I've put my sound on maximum | 09:46 |
| dhellmann | ok | 09:46 |
| TheJulia | dhellmann: can you hear it any better now, I just adjusted the gain | 09:46 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia : yes, thanks! | 09:46 |
| TheJulia | No problem :) | 09:46 |
| TheJulia | Happy to help! | 09:46 |
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| dhellmann | we should encourage the community to encourage people to run | 10:09 |
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| flaper87 | I don't think I can make it today. I haven't seen a taxi since I woke up this morning and busses are not running. | 10:16 |
| flaper87 | From where I'm staying to the croke holte is quite a hike | 10:16 |
| jroll | EmilienM: ^ wanna get flaper87 in the hangout? | 10:21 |
| dhellmann | https://hangouts.google.com/call/v8wJ-UxNcZcgWkMzIt8aAAEI | 10:21 |
| EmilienM | jroll: he's here | 10:21 |
| jroll | ah cool, thanks | 10:22 |
| flaper87 | jroll: thanks, I'm in | 10:22 |
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| flaper87 | high levels of FOMO here! This is so frustrating | 10:25 |
| flaper87 | one of the harder things of choosing goals is finding a balance between something exciting and important that doesn't requirea super high investment. It's hard to get teams insterest and sometimes it feels like a social problem more than a technical one | 10:33 |
| * flaper87 is basically agreeing with cdent | 10:33 | |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: you're cutting a bit | 10:35 |
| EmilienM | yes | 10:35 |
| jroll | flaper87: indeed - idk if you could hear me talking, but I think we assumed a higher bar of what teams could get done in a cycle, when we decided we should do the goals process. now teams don't have time for much :( | 10:36 |
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| EmilienM | flaper87, dhellmann: I'll ping you again when we start | 10:43 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 10:43 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: flaper87: we're relocating to a less noisy room in a few minutes and will restart once we get settled | 11:01 |
| dhellmann | fungi : thanks | 11:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance master: Include ansible-role-redhat-subscription into tripleo https://review.openstack.org/549177 | 11:03 |
| EmilienM | smcginnis: ^ | 11:03 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: we settled in the new room | 11:26 |
| ttx | EmilienM will patch you up again | 11:26 |
| dhellmann | ok, flaper87 and I are still in the hangout | 11:26 |
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| dhellmann | is that a blender? | 11:29 |
| ttx | yes | 11:29 |
| EmilienM | they are brewing coffee | 11:29 |
| dhellmann | ok | 11:29 |
| EmilienM | it's a vacuum cleaner | 11:29 |
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| dhellmann | housekeeping just interrupted me, what's the current topic? | 12:17 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: python support | 12:18 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 12:18 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: "Accelerating and formalizing the py2 deprecation process" | 12:18 |
| dhellmann | ty | 12:19 |
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| EmilienM | dhellmann: you're cutting a bunch, we probably missed some words | 12:29 |
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| EmilienM | dhellmann: lunch break | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | we should base the timeline on dropping support for 2 on what our base OS platforms support | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | so I think it's too early for us to drop 2 | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | lunch is good | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | ack 1:30 | 12:30 |
| EmilienM | good | 12:30 |
| EmilienM | ttyl | 12:30 |
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| EmilienM | dhellmann: ready for a sound check? | 13:25 |
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| EmilienM | flaper87, dhellmann: we're about to start again | 13:38 |
| EmilienM | same hangout URL | 13:38 |
| EmilienM | with sound system v2.0 (thx dims) | 13:38 |
| cdent | tonyb: we've talking stable resolution in tc meeting now | 13:41 |
| dhellmann | I'm back | 13:41 |
| dhellmann | lunch here is slow due to power outage this morning and staff shortages | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | we're talking about LTS? | 13:42 |
| tonyb | Oh where? | 13:42 |
| cdent | tonyb: breakfast room beyond the bar | 13:43 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: sound is good? | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : yes, I can hear well | 13:43 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: current is "Resolution about stable branch EOL and "extended maintenance" (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548916/ ) | 13:43 |
| EmilienM | " | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : thank you | 13:43 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: we have speakers, we should hear you better. Let me know if you talked and nobody replied to you. | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | I haven't spoken up yet | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | fwiw, I'm starting to agree with notmyname on this | 13:45 |
| cdent | dhellmann: the "we" concept is compelling. we identified earlier that some projects (e.g., nova) have a very different concept of "we" | 13:46 |
| smcginnis | dissociative identity disorder? | 13:48 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: start over | 13:48 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you're breaking up | 13:48 |
| TheJulia | dhellmann: we can't hear you | 13:48 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: our internet is slow | 13:48 |
| dhellmann | let me try text | 13:48 |
| fungi | and overcroded | 13:48 |
| fungi | crowded | 13:48 |
| dhellmann | what if we changed the proposal to just keep the stable branches open | 13:48 |
| dhellmann | and leave them under the existing stable teams | 13:49 |
| fungi | that's what tonyb also just said | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | indefinitely | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | so that's 2 votes :-) | 13:49 |
| fungi | indeed! | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | the resolution should absolutely be clear about who is managing things | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | wow, that phone is loud | 13:49 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: can you hear us now? | 13:50 |
| dhellmann | I can hear fine | 13:50 |
| dhellmann | thanks :-) | 13:50 |
| EmilienM | k | 13:50 |
| cdent | you're gonna have to type dhellmann | 13:50 |
| ttx | we can't her you | 13:51 |
| cdent | your voice is not happening | 13:51 |
| ttx | it's apparently on your end | 13:51 |
| ttx | We can call you | 13:51 |
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| dhellmann | ok, text again | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | we've said several times we have trouble getting people to work ons table | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | if the issue is that we're closing the branches before they're useful to those extra people, keeping the branches open may allow more people to contrib | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : ^^ | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | I can hear fine so if someone reads what I say I'm good just typing | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:52 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: can you call +1 512 808 5750 | 13:53 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: it's the OpenStack PBX | 13:53 |
| EmilienM | nevermind, they're calling you | 13:54 |
| mugsie | dhellmann: they are going to find a better speaker / mic | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks for your patience, everyone | 13:56 |
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| cdent | reminder: there will be a fire alarm test this afternoon | 14:00 |
| smcginnis | Really? | 14:00 |
| mugsie | aye, at 3 pm? | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | cdent: it wasn't approved by TC. | 14:01 |
| fungi | firesnow | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | -2 | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia is a bit faint but I think she asked about patches landing in stable branches that didn't land in master? | 14:01 |
| cdent | tc approval (or disapproval) never stopped anyone before | 14:01 |
| fungi | dhellmann: correct | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | Maybe that's more of a UC topic? | 14:01 |
| fungi | and the answer was that's not a primary concern | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | tonyb : I lost the connection | 14:18 |
| ttx | on it | 14:18 |
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| TheJulia | dhellmann: just saw that, I don't think that really matters discussion wise at this point :) | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia : yeah, my preference would be to continue with the rule that patches start on master and move backwards as much as we can | 14:22 |
| TheJulia | Yeah, and there is definitely consensus that is preferred but not always perfectly possible | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | that's good enough for me | 14:23 |
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| notmyname | thanks for having the discussion earlier and letting me speak. I'm pretty happy with where it ended up, and it felt like there was a lot of agreement all around | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:44 |
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| jroll | has anyone proposed something like a separate tempest plugin for heat/designate's trademark tests? which could have the right people as reviewers on it? | 15:05 |
| jroll | would allow folks from qa, heat, interop, or some combination to review the changes | 15:05 |
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| jroll | mugsie: zaneb ^ | 15:06 |
| mugsie | jroll: yes | 15:06 |
| mugsie | QA went no | 15:06 |
| jroll | mugsie: did they say no this week or is that another thing they might change their mind on? | 15:06 |
| jroll | because every answer from them has changed this week :P | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | So a specific, separate tempest plugin just for trademark only? | 15:07 |
| jroll | yes | 15:07 |
| cdent | jroll: that was one of the options on the review: a trademark plugin | 15:09 |
| jroll | cdent: yes, I'm thinking more of a trademark plugin for a specific project's tests | 15:09 |
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| cdent | so each project might have two different tempest plugins? that would be pretty good. | 15:10 |
| jroll | yeah, if the concern about out of tree trademark tests is control over the changes, it might be a good medium | 15:10 |
| jroll | get all the right people on the core team | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | I couldn't make out some of the end of that conversation. Was there a resolution? | 15:10 |
| zaneb | jroll: yes. proposed that. they don't want to review gabbi tests, period. | 15:11 |
| jroll | zaneb: then the heat cores on the repo can review tests until they want to review the gabbi tests :) | 15:11 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: resolution was I will propose a governance review permitting (but not requiring) interop tests in tempest plugins | 15:11 |
| * jroll brb | 15:11 | |
| zaneb | dhellmann: and we'll discuss from there :) | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | zaneb : ok | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | zaneb : my response when the qa team proposed that was that they needed to establish some sort of training or documentation for people who were going to be doing those reviews to ensure they understand the brittleness of the interop testing situations so they can adequately review the tests. So, anticipate that being my response to your proposal, too. :-) | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | maybe mark will help with that from the interop team side | 15:14 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: ack, discussing that with Mark as we speak :) | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: did you want to attend the strategic focus area impact discussion? | 15:17 |
| ttx | should start in 3 min | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | I'm still on the phone here. I'm interested in hearing what folks have to say about that but I'm not sure I have a lot to add. | 15:17 |
| ttx | ok well, if it cuts that means cdent has picked up his phone and went home | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I think the only other topic on the agenda that I added was the internship thing, and that was mostly a "what if" question rather than a serious proposal | 15:20 |
| cdent | phone still working dhellmann ? | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | cdent : yes, I can hear fine, thanks! | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | cdent : I'm getting enough background noise that following is becoming difficult. Rather than delay the conversation for my technical issues, I'm just going to drop off. I'll be around the laptop so ping me here if something else comes up and folks want me to dial back in. Thank you for burning up some of your minutes on my behalf. | 15:49 |
| cdent | dhellmann: roger that | 15:49 |
| cdent | and you're very welcome | 15:49 |
| cdent | dhellmann: we've decided to stop. everyone has gone super vague and tired | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | sounds like a good call | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | it was good to see everyone again! | 15:53 |
| cdent | we'll raise a glass for you | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | I'm crossing my fingers that the pub around the corner opens so I can do the same | 15:54 |
| dtroyer | something something what cdent said | 15:54 |
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