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| cdent | tc-members awake | 09:00 |
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| cmurphy | o/ | 09:01 |
| cdent | Got anything to talk about cmurphy? Only thing on my mind is making sure we have what matters on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTG-Dublin-TC-topics | 09:05 |
| cmurphy | i got nothin' | 09:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack/governance master: Add openstack-ansible-nspawn.* to OpenStack-Ansible https://review.openstack.org/546091 | 09:34 |
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| fungi | that was almost as quiet as the wednesday hour | 12:53 |
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| cdent | fungi: with ttx on the slopes... | 12:54 |
| fungi | indeed. however will we find things to talk about? | 12:56 |
| fungi | maybe we should have followed him to the alps | 12:56 |
| cdent | field trip! | 13:02 |
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| EmilienM | hello | 13:47 |
| * cdent waves at EmilienM | 13:48 | |
| * EmilienM wants to sleep | 13:48 | |
| dhellmann | tc-members: here's a discussion topic to be thinking about this week and next: What would you like to change about how the TC works? (procedures we use, activities/topics we're involved in, whatever else you might want to mention) | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | it's good for us to do a retrospective periodically | 14:02 |
| cdent | dhellmann: good one. "topics we're involved" | 14:03 |
| persia | Does that perhaps belong on the etherpad? | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | can you be more specific about which topics we should/n't be involved in? | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | sure, I can add it there | 14:03 |
| * dhellmann needs to organize his rocky bookmarks list better | 14:04 | |
| cdent | dhellmann: I'm not sure if I can, I just think it is a worthwhile topic. | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | ok. give it some thought. I have some nascent ideas about general procedures but I want to hear what others think and let those gel a bit before I start the deeper conversation about them | 14:07 |
| cdent | dhellmann: also because of February, I'm not sure my mind is in the right place to get past a dreadful feeling of "I'm not sure what we are or are not doing, it all feels wrong!!!". I should be better next week after some re-connect with humans | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | sure. it's not a quiz; it's a conversation starter. :-) | 14:10 |
| * cdent nods | 14:14 | |
| cdent | I appreciate, very much, that it is that way. In some other contexts I frequent trying to do "a conversation starter" is a non-starter... | 14:14 |
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| TheJulia | Good morning | 14:36 |
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| smcginnis | TheJulia: o/ | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:40 |
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| fungi | i'm watching a road crew (very slowly) build a sidewalk at the end of my driveway | 15:18 |
| fungi | the whole house is vibrating | 15:18 |
| fungi | i think they're compacting the base layer right now | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | They rebuilt the entire roadway by my house over the last two summers. | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | First summer from my road east, second summer from my road west. | 15:20 |
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| smcginnis | There were some days the whole house was shaking to the point my monitor moving was giving me a headache. | 15:20 |
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| fungi | they've been working on relocating the cable distribution and have been taking my broadband up and dwon since thursday, but it's been down continuously now for the past 24 hours and the provider couldn't tell me when to expect it to be restored... _that's_ giving me a headache | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Ugh, frustrating. | 15:22 |
| * cdent always assumed fungi had his own built in networking | 15:23 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:23 |
| fungi | i gave in this morning and plugged a wireless modem into my workstation so i wouldn't have to spend another day on a laptop | 15:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: Add puppet-monasca to Puppet OpenStack https://review.openstack.org/546190 | 15:42 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 15:50 |
| pabelanger | if people haven't had a chance to see, https://review.openstack.org/545010/ adds naming poll info for S release | 15:51 |
| pabelanger | 2018-02-21 is listed when we open polling | 15:52 |
| pabelanger | and would be great to finish off and merge | 15:52 |
| persia | As in, if this doesn't get merged today, it needs to be updated to have a new start date. | 15:53 |
| persia | So, who can merge whilst ttx is skiing? | 15:54 |
| persia | Is that any TC member? Is there an acting deputy chair this week? | 15:54 |
| pabelanger | yah, i think that would be the case (new start date) | 16:00 |
| pabelanger | but would need to defer to others | 16:00 |
| cdent | I seem to recall dhellmann being able to do such things in the past, or maybe fungi | 16:00 |
| cdent | but I don't think just any roll-call voter can | 16:00 |
| dtroyer | my recollection matches cdent's | 16:01 |
| persia | Procedurally, in the days of meetings, ttx used to nominate an acting chair for holidays. That might be something that should not have dropped when meetings were dropped. | 16:01 |
| persia | Do we believe we can build consensus for dhellmann to be acting chair today, so that he can merge https://review.openstack.org/545010/ ? | 16:02 |
| fungi | i agree with persia | 16:02 |
| persia | (this frees fungi to fiddle the bits to permit dhellman to do this in the event that gerrit is uncooperative) | 16:02 |
| fungi | er, i mean i agree with persia that we should have remembered to delegate tc chair responsibilities for this week, but that's not to say that i necessarily believe we can do so retroactively | 16:03 |
| persia | Oh :( | 16:03 |
| fungi | perhaps if we have sufficient consensus to replace the tc chair we can consider that viable for temporarilydelegating those responsibilities through the end of the week? | 16:04 |
| * fungi checks what percent we need for that | 16:05 | |
| pabelanger | is ttx on PTO or travelling to PTG? | 16:05 |
| fungi | holiday | 16:05 |
| persia | pabelanger: skiiing this week, then travel to PTG this weekend, as I understand it. | 16:05 |
| pabelanger | ah, nice | 16:05 |
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| fungi | hrm, we don't specify a percent consensus needed in https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#tc-chair | 16:07 |
| fungi | i guess it just requires strict (>50%) majority to confirm? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | I don't have gerrit permissions to approve patches, but I think if we all agree that the thing is approved then we can just pretend it merged and proceed accordingly | 16:07 |
| fungi | ignoring the bit about the bod approving the tc chair that is | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | let's not let technical issues get in the way of doing things | 16:07 |
| persia | That's one reading. I could also read 'it requires permission and consent of the board', but I like your reading better to work around the problem we have today. | 16:08 |
| fungi | dhellmann: i prefer that solution honestly | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | and then we can put "make sure multiple people can approve patches" on the ptg list for discussion | 16:08 |
| fungi | consensus of the board has been achieved, approving the measure is merely a formality | 16:08 |
| fungi | er, s/board/committee/ | 16:08 |
| dtroyer | aye | 16:08 |
| persia | fungi: I meant foundation board in my statement, hence liking your reading better. | 16:08 |
| fungi | yep, me too | 16:09 |
| persia | So, to confirm, is there a strict majority of the TC active now who authorises pabelanger to pretend 545010 has been merged? | 16:09 |
| persia | (please indicate assent, so there is a record) | 16:09 |
| fungi | but regardless, i also agree with dhellmann that we don't really need the measure approved to be able to move forward with the naming poll | 16:09 |
| persia | fungi: So no further approval is required, and the action should just be taken, without a new TC stamp? I like that, but it is counter to how I've observed the TC working the past couple years. | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | I count 10 votes on the patch and if we assume pabelanger also supports it that's 11 | 16:11 |
| fungi | i count 10 in favor, 2 abstaining and 1 not having weighed in on https://review.openstack.org/545010 | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | under our normal rules that is approved and would be merged a couple of days after reaching 7 votes | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | who abstained? | 16:12 |
| fungi | i was counting pabelanger and ttx as abstentions | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | ah | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I counted pabelanger as +1 since he wrote it :-) | 16:12 |
| fungi | either way, i concur we have plenty of assent | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | right, so, pabelanger : please carry on with the next steps | 16:13 |
| fungi | and it'll get approved whenever ttx is around next to push a button | 16:13 |
| pabelanger | okay, thanks all! | 16:14 |
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| pabelanger | I'll start sending out emails to ML shortly | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | I've added this to item 12 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTG-Dublin-TC-topics for discussion next week, if we get to it | 16:15 |
| fungi | we reached 7 in favor yesterday (with a strict interpretation counting pabelanger as abstaining), so that would have made it merge tomorrowish regardless | 16:15 |
| pabelanger | could I +1 rollcall-vote my own patch? | 16:16 |
| pabelanger | i admit i am not sure | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | pabelanger : sure, it would remove the ambiguity about whether you're abstaining or voting in favor | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | it seems fungi and I at least are making different assumptions on that point | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | pabelanger : in the past I've written proposals and voted -1 as part of illustrating that we have several options but I prefer one over the other | 16:17 |
| fungi | yeah, i figure it's a matter of personal preference, but if you want to propose a measure and then abstain from voting on it the only easy way we have to do that is a 0 rollcall vote | 16:18 |
| pabelanger | okay, I've voted, but until now assumed person proposing the patch also was +1 rollcall-vote | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | perhaps that's another thing for us to document in the house rules | 16:19 |
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| mnaser | hi everyone, it looks like for a while we did not release puppet-monasca so i proposed adding it here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546190/ -- what's the usual timeline for this to merge (and if it's a longer one, we might release all other puppet modules except this until it merges) | 17:47 |
| mnaser | mainly because our release job is failing due to the fact that the project is not in openstack/governance | 17:47 |
| fungi | mnaser: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/house-rules.html#other-project-team-updates applies to this under normal circumstances | 17:57 |
| fungi | but we're without a tc chair this week, so there could be a bit of an approval delay | 17:58 |
| mnaser | ah i see | 17:58 |
| fungi | specifically this would probably apply: "In corner cases where the change is time-sensitive (like a deliverable reorganization which blocks a release request), the chair may fast-track the change, but should report on that exception in the TC update." | 17:58 |
| mnaser | dhellmann, smcginnis: can i ask you on your input on what do you think we should do from a release perspective given ^ ? | 17:59 |
| fungi | otherwise it takes ~ one week from posting if nobody objects | 17:59 |
| fungi | mnaser: it's cycle-trailing anyway though, right? | 17:59 |
| fungi | seems like if it gets approved next week that would still work out? | 18:00 |
| mnaser | fungi: correct, but we're trying to work with some downstream consumers (such as rdo) who are looking to build packages for these puppet modules and make sure they work correctly with the queens packages | 18:00 |
| fungi | ahh | 18:00 |
| fungi | i wonder if they could temporarily track a particular merge commit id or branch tip until the tag exists | 18:01 |
| * fungi doesn't really know much about their package build automation to guess whether they have some capability for that sort of exception | 18:01 | |
| mnaser | dmsimard might be able to answer that best | 18:02 |
| fungi | that guy knows everything | 18:02 |
| mnaser | :D | 18:02 |
| dmsimard | About to drop kids at school from lunch, I'll catch up in a bit | 18:02 |
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| dhellmann | mnaser, fungi , smcginnis : if we have a patch to add the repo to governance that looks like it's going to be approved I would be comfortable going ahead with the release. That probably means disabling the governance check, but that's not a big deal to toggle on/off | 18:09 |
| fungi | that wfm too | 18:09 |
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| smcginnis | That works for me. I don't see this being a contentious issue. | 18:13 |
| dhellmann | right | 18:13 |
| dhellmann | it's not like we're adding a new service or something, just a new module to an existing project | 18:13 |
| cdent | ✔ | 18:14 |
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| mnaser | dhellmann: thank you! | 18:25 |
| dmsimard | mnaser, fungi: my answer isn't going to change the outcome which appears to have already been decided but we're not going to delay the release of RDO for puppet-monasca, we'd figure something out :) | 18:50 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we don't have these processes in place to hold things up. the point is to make sure we're documenting and communicating clearly and fully. | 18:56 |
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| smcginnis | So for the "Welcome to the PTG" lunch presentation next week, pabelanger and I are doing a few slides on what's coming up. | 20:19 |
| smcginnis | Thierry wanted one that talks about "bridging" the discussion from Sydney. | 20:19 |
| smcginnis | So far I only have fast forward upgrades. | 20:19 |
| smcginnis | Anyone else have any big community-wide things that were discussed in Sydney that are going to continue in Dublin? | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : LTS? | 20:20 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Oh, that might be good. I've kind of been lumping that into the FFU discussion, but it really is its own seperate thing. | 20:20 |
| persia | Or any big community-wide things that were decided in Sydney that are important to know for people who didn't attend and will be in Dublin? | 20:20 |
| smcginnis | persia: That might be even better to highlight. | 20:21 |
| persia | smcginnis: I think answers to your question are more important, but my question might fill the time if you are short on topics :) | 20:21 |
| smcginnis | persia: No, that's a very good point to bring up. Thanks! | 20:22 |
| mtreinish | smcginnis: maybe mention the pti changes? We'll be have and Q+A/general feedback session about stestr on tues before lunch | 20:24 |
| smcginnis | mtreinish: Cool, I will add it to there unless bigger issues push it off the list. ;) | 20:25 |
| mtreinish | smcginnis: cool | 20:25 |
| smcginnis | But that's not looking likely so far. | 20:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add naming poll info for S release https://review.openstack.org/545010 | 21:05 |
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| fungi | looks like ttx merged that ^ one from the slopes | 21:24 |
| fungi | (or more likely while sitting by the fire in the lodge) | 21:24 |
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