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| ttx | andreaf: we need your +1 on a QA repo addition at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540906/ | 08:51 |
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| ttx | tc-members assemble | 09:00 |
| cmurphy | morning | 09:00 |
| ttx | cmurphy: morning! how was FOSDEM? | 09:00 |
| ttx | crowded and wet ? | 09:00 |
| cmurphy | ttx: yes and cold | 09:00 |
| ttx | nothing surprising. | 09:01 |
| ttx | was it your first? | 09:01 |
| cmurphy | no, i had been a few years ago | 09:01 |
| ttx | the good thing is that it doesn't change. the bad thing is that it doesn't change. | 09:02 |
| cmurphy | was discouraged from coming back because of how disorganized and crowded it was | 09:02 |
| cmurphy | and coming back reaffirmed that | 09:02 |
| ttx | yeah, been skipping twice in a row | 09:02 |
| cmurphy | at least they have a CoC now | 09:02 |
| ttx | I think it's good to see it once | 09:02 |
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| ttx | or once every 5 years to check your memories are accurate :) | 09:03 |
| cmurphy | :) | 09:03 |
| ttx | It's sad because they have a lot of potential, if they were open to changing it a bit. | 09:04 |
| ttx | One thing I wanted us to discuss is the possibility to dedicate the queens release to Shawn Pierce, git contributor and Gerrit creator, who passed away last week. | 09:05 |
| cmurphy | +1 | 09:05 |
| cdent | I went to FOSDEM in maybe 2008 or 2009 and it put me off enough to never go pack. I don't think I got into any sessions | 09:06 |
| cdent | eventually decided that walking around the city was a better use of time | 09:07 |
| cmurphy | the virtualization/IaaS room was surprisingly large and empty | 09:07 |
| ttx | cdent: yes, been trying to warn my US colleagues who are all very excited to visit a grassroots conf | 09:07 |
| cmurphy | so i did actually get to see some talks | 09:07 |
| ttx | this one might be *too* grassroots | 09:07 |
| ttx | and you might get disappointed | 09:08 |
| cdent | I liked what it was trying to be | 09:08 |
| ttx | cdent: it's a bit stuck in last century | 09:08 |
| mugsie | I spent most of Sunday at the OpenStack booth, and it was more useful than wandering around on Saturday | 09:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of tempest plugin split goal for Neutron Team https://review.openstack.org/524605 | 09:09 |
| mugsie | But I do enjoy fosdem overall | 09:09 |
| ttx | cdent: opinion on dedicating Queens to Shawn Pierce ? | 09:10 |
| ttx | cmurphy, cdent: do you think we need a resolution for that ? | 09:10 |
| cmurphy | have we ever dedicated a release to someone before? | 09:11 |
| ttx | yes | 09:11 |
| ttx | (ad we didn't do a resolution back then) | 09:11 |
| * ttx looks for ref | 09:11 | |
| cdent | It seems like a good gesture, and making it a resolution would give it heft that it wouldn't otherwise have as "just a statement". A different kind (not a resolution) written document might be just as good | 09:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add ansible-role-k8s-cinder https://review.openstack.org/534600 | 09:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of Tempest plugin split goal for Vitrage https://review.openstack.org/539163 | 09:12 |
| ttx | ok, I'll see if mordred or aspiers can write something | 09:12 |
| ttx | Past one was Liberty, dedicated to Chris Yeoh | 09:14 |
| * ttx looks up the Rocky goals | 09:16 | |
| ttx | Did we say we should only RollCall+1 two of them and see who emerges first? | 09:17 |
| cmurphy | i think so | 09:17 |
| ttx | EmilienM is still +1 on three :) | 09:18 |
| ttx | Looks like mox and mutable-debug are winning | 09:19 |
| ttx | I think we should do a thread saying those are the two we are about to approve, alst-minute comments wanted | 09:20 |
| cdent | good idea | 09:20 |
| ttx | because we judge a set, not individual choices | 09:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of Tempest plugin split goal for Telemetry team https://review.openstack.org/541195 | 09:21 |
| ttx | I'll see with EmilienM who posts it | 09:21 |
| ttx | For PTG post-lunch presentations... we got a bunch proposed | 09:23 |
| openstackgerrit | chenge proposed openstack/governance master: Replace Chinese quotes to English quotes https://review.openstack.org/541197 | 09:24 |
| cmurphy | nice | 09:25 |
| ttx | I think Monday, Tuesday are pretty much set. Monday we'll have a "Welcome to the PTG" with community situational awareness + release goals talk | 09:25 |
| ttx | Is anyone interested in helping cover the "TC" part of this ? | 09:25 |
| ttx | We'll likely start with Erin doing a welcome + housekeeping items, then give a bit of a state of the union in terms of openstack community, and reaffirming the Rocky release goals | 09:26 |
| ttx | Let me start another etherpad to brainstorm content / messaging | 09:26 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch-monday | 09:28 |
| ttx | otherwise we have 5 proposals (lightning talks, meetings outcome show and tell, release process, OpenStackSDK, PublicCloudWG) for 3 slots (Wed, Thu, Fri) | 09:34 |
| ttx | A reminder on release process would not hurt given how hard it's been to herd the cats this cycle | 09:35 |
| ttx | Sounds like OpenStackSDK would be a good one too | 09:35 |
| cmurphy | maybe some of those could be condensed into lightning talks | 09:35 |
| ttx | The meetings outcome one... I like the idea, but not sure how practical that would be | 09:35 |
| ttx | given how many tracks we have | 09:36 |
| ttx | We could condense that one into lightning talk | 09:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Mark the completion of tempest plugin split goal for Congress Team https://review.openstack.org/541201 | 09:36 |
| ttx | like if you have some outcome you'd like to share, take a slot there | 09:36 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 09:36 |
| ttx | PublicCloud WG would like a Monday slot, which kind of conflicts with the Welcome to PTG thing | 09:37 |
| ttx | might also be a lightning talk candidate but I wonder if they would still be around on Friday | 09:38 |
| ttx | Please vote/comment on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch | 09:41 |
| ttx | and add your name to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch-monday if you want to be involved in that presentation | 09:42 |
| ttx | In related news, looks like we are selling out our last PTG tickets. 9 remaining on Eventbrite | 09:43 |
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| ttx | mugsie: could you fill up https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Rocky/CityGuide with your local suggestions ? | 09:48 |
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| mugsie | ttx: Yeap, I am traveling back home today, so will add a list tomorrow / Thursday | 10:05 |
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| andreaf | ttx: adding that repo is fine with me - I was just checking with the rest of the QA team if there was any concern - so far it looks good | 11:17 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: +1 for dedicating the release. I think that would be a nice gesture. | 13:19 |
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| dims | ttx : +1 to "dedicating Queens to Shawn Pierce" | 13:23 |
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| TheJulia | ttx: Also +1 on dedicating the release | 14:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Liam Young proposed openstack/governance master: Add vault charm to gerrit https://review.openstack.org/541288 | 14:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Liam Young proposed openstack/governance master: Add vault charm to gerrit https://review.openstack.org/541288 | 14:34 |
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| EmilienM | ttx: I'll update my votes | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | ttx: done, I removed my vote from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532361/ | 14:40 |
| ttx | EmilienM: Thanks! We also need to send a "those two goals are going to be selected now. Speak now if you have comments or forever hold your peace" email to the ML | 14:40 |
| ttx | Let me knos if you'd rather send it yourself | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | I can do it today | 14:41 |
| ttx | Great! Thanks. Hopefully we'll be able to approve those this week or early next week. | 14:41 |
| mordred | tc-members: could I get a quick review/+A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539239 ? It's basically just a patch to fix actually publishing the content | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | ttx: done | 14:44 |
| cdent | mordred: done | 14:44 |
| mordred | cdent: thanks | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | cdent: was the fastest :-O | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | can I ask who is Shawn Pierce ? (and sorry if it's a stupid question) | 14:45 |
| mordred | EmilienM: original author of gerrit | 14:45 |
| ttx | EmilienM: see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/126916.html | 14:45 |
| mordred | EmilienM: also of jgit and gitk and a very prolific contributor to git itself | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | oh, I saw mordred's tweet a few days ago | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | ok sorry for that question :( I just didn't recall the name | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | ttx: +1 to dedicate the release to him, of course | 14:47 |
| fungi | yeah, shawn's loss is fitting for a release dedication, no objection | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | +1 for the dedication, too. we should write up a resolution to document it formally. | 14:56 |
| mordred | dhellmann: working on it | 14:58 |
| persia | Does it need a resolution? Chris Yeoh was honoured without resolution, which was good. Does a different process indicate we feel differently about Shawn vs. Chris? | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | mordred : cool, thanks | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | persia : when we honored chris we voted in a meeting. We don't do that any more. | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | it's also nice to explain *why* we do things like this, because not everyone in our community will know who Shawn is | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | it never hurts to write things down | 15:03 |
| ttx | also cdent noted it would give the message a bit more weight and context | 15:09 |
| ttx | since the mention on the release announcement is likely to be short. | 15:09 |
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| smcginnis | I would hope it would be seen as an evolution in our process that we write something down for Shawn when we hadn't for Chris. | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | it wouldn't hurt to write something down about chris, too, while we're at it | 15:17 |
| mordred | dhellmann: yah - I'm actually having a hard time writing anything more than a couple of sentences because all I've got documented for chris is the release announcement text, and it feels wrong to say more about shawn than about chris | 15:20 |
| mordred | https://www.openstack.org/software/kilo/ -> 'Dedicated to the memory of Chris Yeoh' section for reference | 15:20 |
| persia | Ah, yes, without meetings, resolutions are the only mechanism to show support. Makes sense. | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | mordred : I can understand that sentiment. I think it was an oversight at the time, and we can correct that about chris by asking some folks who knew him well to contribute. If we say we're going to do that, does that help with writing about Shawn? | 15:25 |
| mordred | dhellmann: yah - I think so. on the other hand - maybe just having the resolution for Shawn be reasonably short is also fine | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | sure | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | I don't think we need to write something really long. But explaining how he relates to the community may make it seem longer. | 15:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Dedicate Queens release to Shawn Pierce https://review.openstack.org/541313 | 15:32 |
| mordred | k. there's a first stab ... obviously we can iterate | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | We did have the nice video for Chris, so it's not like it was just two sentences. | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | mordred : suggested tweak, but that looks good in terms of length and content | 15:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Dedicate Queens release to Shawn Pierce https://review.openstack.org/541313 | 15:36 |
| mordred | dhellmann: ++ | 15:36 |
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| dhellmann | mordred : +1 | 15:37 |
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| ttx | lgtm | 15:39 |
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| fungi | mordred: excellent commit message too | 20:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Remove editor mode setting from goals template https://review.openstack.org/541490 | 23:44 |
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