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| openstackgerrit | Chandan Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Update tempest plugin split goal for Tacker team https://review.openstack.org/525489 | 07:35 |
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| cdent | tc-members, curtain | 09:00 |
| cmurphy | ohai | 09:00 |
| * cdent waves | 09:01 | |
| cmurphy | o/* | 09:01 |
| * cdent adds to his waving lexicon | 09:02 | |
| cdent | I guess at least some folk are at kubecon | 09:03 |
| cmurphy | ah that's right | 09:04 |
| cmurphy | enjoying tacos and bbq | 09:05 |
| cdent | mmmmm tacos | 09:06 |
| cdent | I wonder what we need to do to get more people talking on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521602/ | 09:22 |
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| cmurphy | I'm sure lots of people would come share their opinions if it was highlighted on the mailing list | 09:30 |
| cdent | i’ll end up being a main star in the tc report this week because that’s most of what we’ve talked about in office hours, and that’s my usual source of info, so maybe that’ll help | 09:31 |
| cdent | if not, yeah, a specific message is a good idea | 09:31 |
| cdent | I wish it didn’t have to be that way. | 09:32 |
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| * ttx is/was on a plane | 11:36 | |
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| fungi | i guess i didn't miss too much office hour | 13:40 |
| cdent | fungi: nope, not a lot happening | 13:41 |
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| cdent | huh https://katacontainers.io/ | 14:11 |
| cdent | last i heard there was going to be a bit more review before project were officialized? | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | cdent : https://github.com/kubevirt | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | oh, that's the clear thing from intel | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | different | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | "managed by the openstack foundation" | 14:12 |
| * cdent recovers from confusion of “yes, and?” | 14:13 | |
| dhellmann | that's an odd statement | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if dtroyer knows something we don't | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | cdent : I thought you were surprised to see a vm thing in a container orchestrator; I didn't read to the bottom of the page at first. | 14:14 |
| cdent | kata is presumably the result of the jbryce expansion plans, but I had though there had to be board approval first, and I wasn’t aware of that happening | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if that should say "hosted by" or something? | 14:14 |
| cdent | (not that I think kata is a bad thing or something, still figuring that out, just surprised by the speed) | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | although if it's on github, it's not really either | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | maybe there's going to be an announcement this week? | 14:14 |
| cdent | dhellmann: I think the announcement is done and dusted: https://t.co/zzZUpQmiZE | 14:16 |
| cdent | (that’s a techcruch link) | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | ah | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | I have lots of questions about how that was done | 14:18 |
| * cdent senses understatement | 14:18 | |
| dhellmann | I guess having its own technical governance means they can use github. | 14:20 |
| cdent | it’s very clear that some marketing requirements (announce by kubecon) drove some of the choices | 14:20 |
| cdent | such as github | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | it does not take long to create a repo on our infrastructure | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | though I guess without the name flattening, it would have been an "openstack" repository | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | oh, slack, too | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | https://www.openstack.org/news/view/365/kata-containers-project-launches-to-build-secure-container-infrastructure | 14:35 |
| pabelanger | I know slack is going to be a hot topic issue with foundation effort to bring more projects under it, is something like rocket.chat used much? | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | I'm mostly disappointed that they opted to skip the use of infra, really. I don't expect them to ever migrate off of github, although there isn't actually much code there now | 14:57 |
| pabelanger | dhellmann: yah, we likely should bring that up. One issue is, our tooling currently expects repos to be created in gerrit then mirrored to github. So, some work would need to be done to skip the gerrit part | 15:03 |
| pabelanger | I admit, today is the first time I've heard of kata | 15:04 |
| pabelanger | seems we did properly create list.katacontainers.io in infra | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | yeah, like I said, I don't expect them to ever move off of github. It seems to be what the go/container folks want to use | 15:05 |
| cmurphy | i'm not sure how much of infra's ci they could make use of given https://github.com/kata-containers/tests | 15:05 |
| pabelanger | cmurphy: yah, the protect looks really new | 15:06 |
| pabelanger | project* | 15:06 |
| * cdent is on the board call, to see if anything happens | 15:10 | |
| jbryce | this is our first pilot project that we're incubating | 15:10 |
| jbryce | happy to chat about it here in more detail when the board call is done and i don't have to split my attention | 15:11 |
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| jbryce | we actually have a community email we're planning on sending out shortly as well | 15:19 |
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| jbryce | board meeting has wrapped up | 15:42 |
| cdent | jbryce: I don’t think there’s any “zomg yikes”, it’s more “wait, what, so soon?” | 15:43 |
| jbryce | kata is the first pilot project. it's a combination of hyper's runV and intel's clear containers. basically today is when they are opening up the new code base that they are combining for additional contributors and organizations to join | 15:43 |
| jbryce | cdent: yeah it has moved quickly, but i really wanted to get it out there sooner than later so people could participate openly | 15:44 |
| jbryce | for example there are still pieces of the governance that are not finalized. my approach is to get it public sooner and gather interested parties to help define some of that stuff together | 15:45 |
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| cdent | jbryce: my surprise was that I thought there had to be an official board approval before an “incubated” new project could have the level of press kata is getting. I think it is fine (even great) that they are, I’m simply not understanding the process | 15:48 |
| jbryce | on the tooling, the project team in this instance wanted to stick with github for git hosting which is what both projects had been using. when we started talking about supporting new projects, that was a possibility we said we'd consider | 15:48 |
| jbryce | they have mirrored irc/slack channels and we're working on getting them into our meetbot infrastructure | 15:50 |
| jbryce | list server is mailman on our infra | 15:50 |
| mugsie | the slack is closed | 15:50 |
| mugsie | (as in no signups enabled) | 15:50 |
| jbryce | they've talked with infra and zuul about using v3 support for new repo types to start to implement tests | 15:51 |
| jbryce | so the goal is definitely to try to leverage and use infra pieces | 15:51 |
| jbryce | mugsie: ok. i'll check on that. that might have just been a miss this morning when flipping things live | 15:52 |
| jbryce | cdent: yeah this is that chicken/egg thing we were talking about in the meeting in sydney. we want to incubate communities (strategic focus areas) around common problem sets and in order to do that, we need to have stuff happening publicly | 15:56 |
| cdent | make sense, but in that case does the board desire to have some oversight not really mean much? Once something is out in public, it’s out? | 15:57 |
| jbryce | we have updated the board a couple of times since that meeting. if this doesn't go well, they can tell us to stop supporting it or putting any resources behind it | 15:57 |
| jbryce | i mean we can't make it unpublic and it's apache2 licensed, but we can stop being the foundation that supports it (manages ip, legal, marketing, etc) and they could go somewhere else or float free | 15:58 |
| * cdent nods | 15:59 | |
| jbryce | maybe i should just send out a version of my last board update to the foundation list that talks about the progress in the different areas | 16:00 |
| jbryce | we've also got some stuff going on in the edge area | 16:01 |
| jbryce | (i had sent my last board update to the confidential list since it included some pre-meeting things for the board only, but most of it is fine now) | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | jbryce: is the mailing list open to subscriptions? | 16:12 |
| jbryce | yes | 16:13 |
| jbryce | http://lists.katacontainers.io/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kata-dev | 16:13 |
| jbryce | also this is the one for edge: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/edge-computing | 16:13 |
| mugsie | ah, must not have been active this morning when I first signed up | 16:13 |
| mugsie | yeah, I have the edge one already | 16:13 |
| jbryce | mugsie: not active as in it didn't work for you or there weren't messages? it went up over the weekend and people have subscribed to it. there hasn't been traffic yet | 16:16 |
| mugsie | jbryce: I subscribed this morning, but did not get the confirmation email, re did it just there, and it arived | 16:17 |
| jbryce | mugsie: try this link: http://bit.ly/KataSlack | 16:40 |
| jbryce | the slack is open for signups, but they don't apparently have an easy way to link that from the main sign in page for some reason?? | 16:41 |
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| diablo_rojo | So, just musing, but I think it might be good to get the PTL election dates set to give people more time to do email/foundation member/cla fixing. | 17:46 |
| dhellmann | we know when the ptg and release dates are so we should be able to work out the election schedule | 17:47 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, it might be good to get it on the official release schedule too so people are more aware of deadlines and whatnot. Have had issues in the past about getting emails fixed in time to be part of the electorate. | 17:48 |
| dhellmann | diablo_rojo : I'm sure smcginnis would be happy to add it to his countdown email | 17:49 |
| dhellmann | and it can be added to https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html via a patch to openstack/releases/doc/source/queens/schedule.yaml | 17:51 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, good idea :) I can definitely bother him. | 17:51 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Yep, we could get that in the countdown email. That would hopefully help raise awareness of those dates. | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, now we just need to decide on dates :) | 19:16 |
| smcginnis | Yep. ;) | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Normally its like R-4? -5? | 19:20 |
| * diablo_rojo was looking earlier but couldn't find it | 19:20 | |
| rosmaita | diablo_rojo for pike self-nomination was R-4, election was R-3 | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | rosmaita, thanks :) I am an official and I can't even keep track lol | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | diablo_rojo: np ... quick question for you, did i submit the dublin ptg form for glance? i thought i did, but just saw your reminder email | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | rosmaita, oh I see it now :) I sorted but mustve missed you in the list | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | rosmaita, I started with a full list and took out ones that had responded-though I am operating with less screen real estate than normal so its a bit of a struggle this week :) Can confirm you have said yes though :) | 20:20 |
| mugsie | diablo_rojo: apologies for the 11th hour response - I completely missed it | 20:21 |
| rosmaita | diablo_rojo: YES!!! | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo | mugsie, no worries- thought I would send a reminder rather than let you panic later :) | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo | mugsie, there were like 30 others that hadn't responded yet either.. | 20:21 |
| rosmaita | diablo_rojo i can fill it out again unless that would confuse things, it's not like it was an invasive questionnaire | 20:22 |
| mugsie | rosmaita has to come see his dublin office :) | 20:22 |
| rosmaita | :) | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | rosmaita, no need. I got you :) | 20:25 |
| diablo_rojo | rosmaita, tell the other 30 PTLs I am waiting on that it was easy ;) | 20:25 |
| * mugsie wonders about getting a notification bot that DMs PTLs / delegates with info | 20:26 | |
| rosmaita | diablo_rojo: i would, but you bcc'd the list | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I didn't want to publicly shame, but I have the list. | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I thought about sending to the dev list and putting all the project tags in the subject that are missing | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | And then decided it was too much effort | 20:28 |
| rosmaita | You can send out a testimonial from me: "Only four questions! Took me 2 minutes! You too can be a winner!" | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | rosmaita, lol not a bad idea | 20:28 |
| * dtroyer waits for his winning ticket to be dispensed after answering 4 questions and clicking 'Submit' | 20:49 | |
| diablo_rojo | dtroyer, thank you :) | 20:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/governance master: Added octavia queens tempest plugin planning. https://review.openstack.org/525768 | 21:52 |
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