| fungi | office hour! | 01:00 |
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| fungi | who's with me? | 01:00 |
| * mtreinish lurks | 01:05 | |
| fungi | woo! | 01:05 |
| * fungi is not alone | 01:06 | |
| mtreinish | fungi: so I'm curious, has anyone accused you of gerrymandering with http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119786.html yet :) | 01:11 |
| fungi | you'll be the first, good sir! | 01:11 |
| mtreinish | because everytime the election rules change it seems like someone claims there is a conspiracy afoot | 01:11 |
| mtreinish | hmm, that's disappointing. I guess it was maybe just jogo who made up the conspiracy nut fringe | 01:13 |
| fungi | honestly i wish we didn't have governance documents claiming that atcs and apcs have to be foundation individual members (would make the election tooling a lot simpler), but that's a lot harder to get changed | 01:14 |
| mtreinish | I totally agree there | 01:15 |
| mtreinish | TBH, I've never seen what advantage foundation membership provides in practice | 01:16 |
| * smcginnis takes a seat in the office | 01:16 | |
| fungi | my goal here is not to restrict elections, but to find ways to simplify our terrible onboarding process | 01:16 |
| mtreinish | voting in the individual board member election is a benefit I guess, but I think most people don't care | 01:16 |
| fungi | welcome smcginnis! | 01:16 |
| smcginnis | Is it some kind of legal protection for us in case someone decides to start putting up proprietary code. | 01:17 |
| smcginnis | So that we can at least point to the signed membership saying they agreed not to do bad things | 01:17 |
| fungi | nope. that's the cla (ostensibly anyway) | 01:18 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Oh, right. | 01:18 |
| fungi | which we have permission to replace with the dco if we can ever finish doing the other integration necessary to make ccla management more streamlined | 01:18 |
| smcginnis | I think other non-projects I worked with, you needed to somehow be able to define who your "members" are for legal/voting reasons. | 01:18 |
| fungi | right, and for the board at large seats that's needed | 01:19 |
| fungi | for our technical elections we have other criteria we can (and do) use that make something like foundation membership probably unnecessary | 01:20 |
| mtreinish | right, which is why I said most people probably don't care about the individual board member election | 01:20 |
| mtreinish | at least most atcs | 01:20 |
| mtreinish | probably | 01:20 |
| fungi | also it's annoying that to vote in technical elections you need to be a foundation member, but if you fail to vote in at least one of two consecutive board elections then your membership lapses | 01:21 |
| mtreinish | yep, I've heard several people complain about that before | 01:21 |
| fungi | so basically you either have to keep rejoining the foundation or voting in board elections to qualify to vote in technical elections | 01:22 |
| mtreinish | granted given that the last tc election had ~13% turnout I guess most people don't care about the technical elections either | 01:24 |
| smcginnis | Was it really that bad? | 01:25 |
| mtreinish | yeah, 427 voted out of 3191 eligible voters | 01:25 |
| smcginnis | Ouch | 01:25 |
| mtreinish | heh, at least we don't have a qourum requirement like the xorg foundation. THey often fail to meet the 25% requirement for their board elections | 01:28 |
| smcginnis | Wow. Yeah, I won't complain then. | 01:29 |
| fungi | we do/did have that for bylaws changes but i believe we managed to just barely get the 25% quorum necessary to vote to lower the quorum to 10% | 01:29 |
| fungi | because we realized it would be next to impossible to get further bylaws changes through otherwise | 01:30 |
| mtreinish | hah, well iirc the xorg foundation requires 75% for bylaws changes :p | 01:30 |
| dims | o/ | 01:30 |
| fungi | yeesh | 01:30 |
| fungi | dims! | 01:31 |
| fungi | this is officially the busiest wednesday 01:00 office hour ever | 01:31 |
| dims | sorry went shopping for a trash can and 2 fans :) | 01:31 |
| smcginnis | dims: Interesting shopping list. :) | 01:32 |
| dims | i know :) | 01:32 |
| dims | have you reached your destination smcginnis ? | 01:32 |
| * fungi doesn't question it | 01:32 | |
| mtreinish | it's even more amusing when you factor in the xorg foundation has a membership < 100 typically :) | 01:32 |
| smcginnis | fungi: I'm only here due to travel, but ti does seem like office hours are picking up a little. | 01:32 |
| smcginnis | dims: Yep, got about 6 solid hours of sleep in too. | 01:32 |
| dims | nice! | 01:33 |
| smcginnis | dims: Feeling much better than I was last night. :) | 01:33 |
| dims | how are you mtreinish, havent talked to you since boston summit | 01:33 |
| mtreinish | dims: heh, that's probably because I was in Japan and China for pretty much all of june :) | 01:34 |
| dims | back at home? :) | 01:35 |
| mtreinish | but I'm doing well | 01:35 |
| mtreinish | dims: yeah, for a least a few weeks | 01:35 |
| dims | :) | 01:35 |
| * dims stares at the boat load of requirements that need to get in | 01:36 | |
| smcginnis | A lot came through yesterday. | 01:36 |
| mtreinish | it's the pre-freeze rush | 01:36 |
| fungi | feature freeze next week, yeah | 01:36 |
| mtreinish | eveyone needs that last minute reqs bump | 01:37 |
| dims | smcginnis : about glance-store.... any progress? | 01:37 |
| * mtreinish has never been guilty of doing that :) | 01:37 | |
| dims | mtreinish : this is a full oslo batch | 01:37 |
| smcginnis | dims: I got a little info. There's ac ouple more patches they are trying to land. | 01:37 |
| smcginnis | I think it will likely end up being tomorrow for the final cut. | 01:37 |
| dims | smcginnis ack, who is "they"? | 01:37 |
| smcginnis | dims: The glance team in general. :) | 01:38 |
| dims | ah ok | 01:38 |
| smcginnis | dims: Did you recheck all of those Jenkins-2 requirements patches? | 01:39 |
| dims | smcginnis : y i try once or twice and then go look at logs | 01:40 |
| smcginnis | dims: Of the few I checked, they all looked unrelated. | 01:40 |
| smcginnis | I'm guessing typical cram-it-all-in instability that needs to settle. | 01:40 |
| dims | smcginnis : it's easy to wait for the overnight bot update and shepherding that through, but if there are issues it's harder to nail down which library caused it there. | 01:42 |
| smcginnis | Yeah. Too many moving parts right now. | 01:43 |
| dims | so it's better to try to get a few through individually and then the overnight batch | 01:43 |
| fungi | that wraps up our official office hour slot for now. next is 15:00 thursday | 02:00 |
| smcginnis | Well, ther was at least some activity this time. :) | 02:03 |
| fungi | that was the first 01:00 utc slot with more than about half a dozen lines | 02:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed openstack/governance master: Allow teams to host meetings in their channels https://review.openstack.org/485117 | 09:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Removing api-site and faafo from doc team repo list https://review.openstack.org/485249 | 15:34 |
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