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| seongsoocho | PTG week! | 05:04 |
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| kota_ | PTG! | 11:50 |
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| tdasilva | Hello! Iām going to be a bit late to the PTG meeting. | 12:41 |
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| kota_ | tdasilva: o/ | 12:52 |
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| timburke | good morning, good afternoon, good evening! | 13:06 |
| seongsoocho | Hi !! | 13:09 |
| seongsoocho | Probably most of the time I will just listen to the discussion, but I'm happy to be able to meet virtually. | 13:12 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 13:17 |
| timburke | seongsoocho, not to worry! i'd love to hear from you during the operator feedback session, though, if nothing else :-) | 13:18 |
| mattoliverau | seongsoocho: that's fine! sit back and if you feel like you want to add anything then fire away. Remember there are no stupid questions, I should know, if there were such a thing they'd be my questions ;) | 13:18 |
| timburke | mattoliverau, i was thinking of trying to have a dedicated "no stupid questions" time block :D | 13:20 |
| seongsoocho | timburke: mattoliverau thank you !!! I'm always grateful to all of you. | 13:20 |
| timburke | otoh, i also felt like that should be our default mode | 13:20 |
| mattoliverau | +1 it's definitely my default mode. But it can be hard to ask questions in a group, so might be a nice way to make new peaple more comfortable. | 13:26 |
| mattoliverau | Also, having a virtual PTG feels kinda weird. But glad we could still do something | 13:26 |
| timburke | so we've got a Zoom meeting room book for about 30mins from now: https://www.openstack.org/ptg/rooms/liberty | 13:27 |
| timburke | has everyone had a chance to try it out, make sure it'll work for them? | 13:27 |
| timburke | as a fallback, we could use https://meetpad.opendev.org/swift-ptg-victoria which didn't need any new software installed (and has the side-benefit of being integrated with the PTG etherpad) | 13:29 |
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| kota_ | timburke: thanks for the instuction | 13:32 |
| * kota_ is going to brew a coffee, then try the zoom in 15 minutes. | 13:33 | |
| timburke | that might also be handy if we want to continue discussions after our booked slots | 13:36 |
| kota_ | i see | 13:40 |
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| zaitcev | Guys | 13:59 |
| timburke | zaitcev, o/ | 13:59 |
| kota_ | we're in zoom | 13:59 |
| zaitcev | I'm not getting it. How do we select the proper channel in Zoom. Is there a number? | 13:59 |
| timburke | https://zoom.us/j/94203142320 i think it's the last part of that url? | 14:00 |
| zaitcev | And the meeting password is... Let me guess. Either "Victoria2020" or "Swift"? | 14:02 |
| timburke | oh! right. PTG2020 | 14:02 |
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| kota_ | etherpad https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/swift-ptg-victoria | 14:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift master: Better functest quarantined https://review.opendev.org/732384 | 14:21 |
| zaitcev | Cold anyone copy-paste? | 14:42 |
| zaitcev | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706653/ ? | 14:42 |
| patchbot | patch 706653 - swift - Let developers/operators add watchers to object au... - 12 patch sets | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift master: Better functest quarantine cleanup https://review.opendev.org/732384 | 14:43 |
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| seongsoocho | zaitcev: I have a question about what the dark data mean.. As I understand, the dark data is the object which is existed in object server but doesn't existed in container server's database? | 15:21 |
| zaitcev | seongsoocho: pretty much | 15:23 |
| zaitcev | the name comes from the dark matter, where we know that it exists (e.g. by df(1)), but have no direct observation of it. | 15:24 |
| zaitcev | the annoying part is that the client cannot access and delete those objects | 15:24 |
| * kota_ hits unstable internet for a short while | 15:25 | |
| seongsoocho | zaitcev: i see. Thank you for the explanation. | 15:25 |
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| timburke | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/Etherpads | 15:48 |
| kota_ | +1 | 15:49 |
| timburke | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/695131/ | 15:51 |
| patchbot | patch 695131 - swift - func tests: work with etag-quoter on by default - 7 patch sets | 15:51 |
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| clayg | not terrible š | 16:00 |
| timburke | might be able to use something like https://www.tutorialspoint.com/whiteboard.htm -- it's not shared, but someone could shared a screen... | 16:15 |
| timburke | or maybe https://whiteboardfox.com/ so multiple people can draw? | 16:18 |
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| timburke | made an etherpad for tomorrow's ops feedback session: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/swift-victoria-ops-feedback | 16:27 |
| timburke | feel free to start populating it today | 16:28 |
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| seongsoocho | š | 16:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Add support for cacert plumbing via cafile in the test.conf https://review.opendev.org/470427 | 18:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Enable TLS for DSVM job https://review.opendev.org/732431 | 18:04 |
| clayg | timburke: so the idea with lp bug #1881210 is that unsharded primaries will push the object-server update to async until they get a db from another primary - and shards should do the same? | 18:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1881210 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Shard DBs should not get created in response to an object update" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881210 | 18:20 |
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| zamba | is this channel for discussions/help for swift? | 18:45 |
| zaitcev | Use /topic | 18:53 |
| zaitcev | Or, rather read the topic, zamba. | 18:53 |
| zamba | so no help, or? | 18:55 |
| zaitcev | Just ask already | 18:56 |
| tdasilva | zamba: yes, this is the channel for discussion/help for openstack swift | 19:09 |
| tdasilva | feel free to drop questions here, people might not be able to get back to you right away because of time zones, but usually people respond :D | 19:10 |
| tdasilva | eventually | 19:10 |
| zamba | ok, because i had a question yesterday about accessing cloud archive object store from ovh | 19:26 |
| rledisez | hi zamba | 19:27 |
| rledisez | cloud archive from OVH (i'm from OVH) is not meant for hot data that you want to access immediatly, which is, I assume, s3ql is trying to do. You should use object storage | 19:28 |
| rledisez | if you need more information, you can either talk to me directly of contact the support (let's not turn this channel into OVH support ;) ) | 19:29 |
| timburke | clayg, yeah, exactly -- and the only reason that shard *don't* behave that way is that we were piggy-backing off our reserved namespace | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: wip: watcher ideas https://review.opendev.org/732441 | 19:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Enable TLS for DSVM job https://review.opendev.org/732431 | 20:17 |
| timburke | š¤ we should maybe turn down some of the logging in the DSVM job -- just realized that p 722550 added ~60MB to the size of the screen-s-proxy.txt that gets uploaded | 20:22 |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/722550/ - swift - swift-dsvm: Enable s3api (MERGED) - 8 patch sets | 20:22 |
| timburke | otoh, think of how great it is that we aren't running an extra copy of that job now! | 20:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: wip: watcher ideas https://review.opendev.org/732441 | 20:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: Better functest quarantine cleanup https://review.opendev.org/732384 | 21:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: ratelimit: Allow multiple placements https://review.opendev.org/729051 | 21:25 |
| clayg | timburke: how much ram do you use on your vsaio? | 21:35 |
| clayg | I'm thinking about going up to 4GB | 21:35 |
| clayg | i blame focal š | 21:36 |
| clayg | or probetests š¤ | 21:36 |
| timburke | 2G, looks like. gotta admin, though, i'm back on bionic atm -- wanted something so i could test p 470427 | 21:40 |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/470427/ - swift - Add support for cacert plumbing via cafile in the ... - 5 patch sets | 21:40 |
| timburke | gotta admit* | 21:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Enable TLS for DSVM job https://review.opendev.org/732431 | 21:47 |
| clayg | so to get a basic sharded db, do you have to set shard_container_threshold? or just find_and_replace --enable and then run the sharder? | 21:47 |
| timburke | clayg, you can just do a find_and_replace with a really low value. if you've got a high-ish shard_container_threshold set and autosharding enabled, the sharder might try to shrink shortly after breaking it up, but it shouldn't matter too much for p 731653 | 21:49 |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731653/ - swift - Don't auto-create shard containers based on object... - 1 patch set | 21:49 |
| timburke | i'd wanted to write a probe test for that one, but it seemed to get messy pretty quickly | 21:50 |
| * timburke is fixing up p 695131 | 21:55 | |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/695131/ - swift - func tests: work with etag-quoter on by default - 7 patch sets | 21:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: func tests: work with etag-quoter on by default https://review.opendev.org/695131 | 22:04 |
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| clayg | timburke: so but... swift client does a PUT before every upload š¤ | 22:18 |
| clayg | a *container* PUT | 22:18 |
| timburke | yup :-/ i've been meaning to add a --skip-container-put option to that guy... i keep forgetting about it though | 22:18 |
| timburke | oh man, p 732431 is a hoot! reminds me how much i don't like running swift behind apache -- finally got the cert stuff right, 233 failures. at least some of them seem to repro https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1621581, there are 400s all over the place... this is fun | 22:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1621581 in python-swiftclient "swiftclient returns response headers without 'Content-Length' param, thus causing upload object to fail" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Arun Mani (arun-mani) | 22:27 |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732431/ - swift - Enable TLS for DSVM job - 3 patch sets | 22:27 |
| timburke | i think that's getting tabled for now. i think it gives me verification that p 470427 works, though! | 22:28 |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/470427/ - swift - Add support for cacert plumbing via cafile in the ... - 5 patch sets | 22:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: func tests: work with etag-quoter on by default https://review.opendev.org/695131 | 22:32 |
| clayg | you have to run the sharder like *a lot* to get all the shards from identified to cleaved to active | 22:46 |
| clayg | it'll only do two per pass or something right? | 22:47 |
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| timburke | yup -- though you can change that with cleave_batch_size | 22:49 |
| clayg | is that the number of shard rows or just how fast it does it shard? my shards are super small | 22:52 |
| clayg | oh, that's the number of "ranges_done" š | 22:54 |
| clayg | timburke: so I put a +2 on p 731653 and I'm pretty sure it works | 23:26 |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731653/ - swift - Don't auto-create shard containers based on object... - 1 patch set | 23:26 |
| clayg | ... but it's late for me; so I was gunna stew on it | 23:26 |
| clayg | it'd be nice to get a third opinion if anyone wanted to think about a sort of interesting consistency issue... | 23:26 |
| timburke | i know mattoliverau was interested in taking a look, though if rledisez is getting interested in sharded containers, he might want it before *his* users start complaining, too ;-) | 23:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient master: Ussuri contrib docs community goal https://review.opendev.org/727633 | 23:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Pete Zaitcev proposed openstack/swift master: func tests: work with etag-quoter on by default https://review.opendev.org/695131 | 23:38 |
| timburke | thank you -- i feel like i butchered that guy, sorry :-( | 23:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Fix container-sync objects with offset timestamp https://review.opendev.org/698092 | 23:57 |
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