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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift feature/losf: Merge branch 'master' into feature/losf https://review.opendev.org/677848 | 05:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: py3: Finish porting func tests https://review.opendev.org/675227 | 08:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thiago da Silva proposed openstack/swift master: symlink-backed versioned_writes https://review.opendev.org/633857 | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thiago da Silva proposed openstack/swift master: symlink-backed versioned_writes https://review.opendev.org/633857 | 12:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thiago da Silva proposed openstack/swift master: Add rebalance seed to build rings in docker image https://review.opendev.org/678034 | 14:41 |
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| tdasilva | timburke: while testing p 678034, i noticed that i'm able to start and stop a py2 container as many times as I want and I can get data back, but if I try to "migrate" to a py3 container, i'm no longer able to. would you expect our ring rebalance to change even when using same seed value? | 15:12 |
| patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/678034/ - swift - Add rebalance seed to build rings in docker image - 1 patch set | 15:12 |
| timburke | tdasilva, yes :-( | 15:12 |
| tdasilva | scary :/ | 15:13 |
| timburke | i remember trying incredibly hard in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/401397/ to get them to match, but ultimately i had to just give up so i could keep moving | 15:15 |
| patchbot | patch 401397 - swift - py3: port common/ring/ and common/utils.py (MERGED) - 14 patch sets | 15:15 |
| timburke | i think patchset 7 had me trying to make py3 random behave like py2 random? but there were *still* issues | 15:18 |
| timburke | tdasilva, so what if we think about it this way: why do we have to build the rings every time? why isn't that considered an output of the container? | 15:19 |
| timburke | like, create it if it doesn't exist, but store it on the bind mount? | 15:20 |
| tdasilva | timburke: yep! that was actually going to be a different approach I was going to try testing, but mostly for testing migration from py2 to py3 | 15:22 |
| tdasilva | for the bind mounting of the data path, I just wanted to enable users to be able to save their data without thinking too much about swift configuration | 15:23 |
| tdasilva | so still the same goal of just providing an API endpoint useful for application dev. testing, with the additional benefit of being able to keep data between container restarts | 15:24 |
| tdasilva | but but but, for us swift devs, i was hoping it could be useful to testing py2-py3 migration for example, or just release upgrade testing | 15:24 |
| tdasilva | wdyt? | 15:27 |
| timburke | i think for app dev testing, the existing setup isn't so bad -- provided they just have the one "drive" | 15:27 |
| timburke | it's all single-replica anyway, right? | 15:27 |
| timburke | for the broader case... idk, i think we need to make whoever's running this start thinking more about configs | 15:28 |
| timburke | hmm. so if you really want to run containerized swift... do you have multiple drives per container? or do you just spin up a container per drive? my gut says the latter... | 15:31 |
| tdasilva | well...right now as is, the container is a single saio, so we create 6 internal dirs and add 6 devices to a single replica ring which doesn't make much sense, i don't think... | 15:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: Switch swift-dsvm-functional-py3 to run tests under py3 https://review.opendev.org/677047 | 15:34 |
| tdasilva | how if one was really serious about containerizing swift to run in prod, it might make sense to investgate running object servers with server per port enabled and run one object-server container per device...maybe?? | 15:35 |
| tdasilva | s/how/Now | 15:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Autovivify X-Versions-Location container https://review.opendev.org/265015 | 16:23 |
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| tdasilva | timburke, clayg I’m still scratching my head over how to handle object expiration and object versions. The idea of expiring old versions seems counterintuitive | 19:09 |
| tdasilva | This is one area where I actually like the idea of the bucket policies where users intentionally would set a policy such as delete previous versions older than 30 days. | 19:11 |
| timburke | tdasilva, i agree wholeheartedly -- i don't think any of the interactions there are intuitive or even necessarily well-understood (much less documented) | 19:49 |
| timburke | so if anyone has opinions on how they *should* interact, maybe that'd be a better direction to start looking... | 19:50 |
| timburke | i *think* i know what i'd want it to look like with x-history-location -- record the delete marker and clean up the primary container. but i think trying to apply that to x-versions-location gets weird... | 19:52 |
| timburke | (there are some edge cases with history mode, of course -- like how to handle an overwrite between when the object expired and when the expirer got around to trying to clean it up. but especially with symlink-backed versioning, i think it's all resolvable) | 19:54 |
| tdasilva | timburke: would blocking X-delete-at header on a versions container be a totally crazy idea? | 19:54 |
| timburke | we still have to worry about it, at least somewhat. what if the container replicas are out-of-sync and don't agree about whether versioning is enabled or not? somebody somewhere is going to be able to get that expiry entry in the queue | 19:56 |
| timburke | this is particularly likely if the client does a container PUT before starting a round of uploads -- which i'm pretty sure is also what led to https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1839355 | 19:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1839355 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "container-sharder should keep cleaving when there are no rows" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Matthew Oliver (matt-0) | 19:57 |
| timburke | i'm starting to understand why s3 treats a PUT to an already-existing container as a client error ;-) | 19:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: py3: Switch swift-dsvm-functional-py3 to run tests under py3 https://review.opendev.org/677047 | 20:10 |
| clayg | tdasilva: so, i guess in the old copy design, were we like forwarding x-delete-at headers across to old versions and now that's broken/different? | 20:10 |
| clayg | like if you uploaded an object x-delete-after: 30 days, then 3 days later you overwrite it - the backup version get's PUT with a new expirery queue entry pointing at it in the new location but with the delete-at carried forward (e.g. it'll expire after 27 days) | 20:11 |
| clayg | cause we could probably make that behavior mostly work until an expiration makes a symlink broken | 20:12 |
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| clayg | did rledisez make any progress on p 1840780 | 21:10 |
| patchbot | No data found for patch 1840780 | 21:10 |
| clayg | errr.. lp bug #1840780 | 21:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1840780 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Eventlet exception "do not call blocking functions from the mainloop"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1840780 | 21:10 |
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| timburke | gdi -- i hate it when i do a rebase, fix up the obvious conflicts, continue the rebase, then run tests under py3 to discover the *non-obvious* conflicts, get everything squared, git review... and then realize i forgot to commit and git review did a reset --hard :-( | 22:25 |
| zaitcev_ | wait, git review can do that?! | 22:26 |
| timburke | https://opendev.org/opendev/git-review/src/branch/master/git_review/cmd.py#L880 | 22:26 |
| timburke | i think it maybe has something to do with me configuring [rebase]autoStash = true ? | 22:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: Autovivify X-Versions-Location container https://review.opendev.org/265015 | 22:28 |
| zaitcev_ | That's at the level of "del" with no arguments deleting the whole current directory. | 22:29 |
| zaitcev_ | I think I read about it in "The Brief History of The Hackerdom". | 22:30 |
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| timburke | hmm. do we have any probe tests that exercise versioning corner cases? | 22:38 |
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| swifterdarrell | timburke: I remembered how IRC works! | 22:41 |
| timburke | swifterdarrell \o/ | 22:41 |
| timburke | now i won't have to translate your findings for rledisez and alecuyer! | 22:41 |
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